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[AchesOfDoom]

How does EDI die...if she's an AI? :-??

[ChurchOfZod]

I dig it a lot. The choices themselves aren't ideal and is rather see the reapers beaten by the combined might of the galaxy's fleets, but the EC adds what was lacking from ME3's ending: heroic victory and hope.

[LolaLei]

Vox Draco wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

AchesOfDoom wrote...

If Shepard reunites with LI...I will give Bioware full credtis (hehe). Seriously that would be awsome!

As it seems from the current information, this will literally only happen in your dreams aka "headcanon"

Well... they seemed to be leaving the planet so by that point I can only presume the relays were fixed... or at least some of them. Since Shepard lives in the destroy cutscene then I guess they'll all get reunited again... eventually.

As I said, you have to make up this reunion by yourself, in your head. Just like before the EC...so much for closure and clarification...

It seems logical that they do, we'll just never get to see it happening LOL. Either way, it's better than what we had before.

[Geneaux486]

twinsfun wrote...

mine is 52% downloaded from what I hear its not good

Many were already hating the EC before it went live, based solely on the fact that Bioware wasn't giving us a completely different ending.  Decide for yourself when you play it.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 26 juin 2012 - 03:59 .

[astindextor]

steeltrainn wrote...

HinduCowGirl wrote...

AlexandraK wrote...

HinduCowGirl wrote...

No chance of a happy ending with a reunite with LI, with other words

It was too hard for BW to make this one scene.

ARRRRRRRGH! WHY?! Casy? Mike?! WHY?! Was that really to much?! GOD DAMN IT!

True art is dark, nobody has ever become famous making things that end on a happy note. 

Tolkien
Lucas
Spielberg
Herbet
Capra
Whedon
Pratchett
Gaiman
Moore

Quick list, I tried to make it eclectic, all just off the top of my head. In short, bull****. The tone of the ending has nothing to do with great art or being famous. 

[FemmeShep]

I will say this, while I still think the endings are awful (beyond just the last 10 minutes. I'm talking about the entire philosophy of them and how they define the entire series plot and what it meant) - the EC is an improvement. No doubt.

But these should have always been included in the game. The original endings felt incomplete and rushed, and made no sense. This EC just makes those endings complete, but they are still awful no less. So I mean, I guess I'm sort of not happy with this? I didn't expect them to re-write the ending. So to be honest, I never really expected the EC to make me happy either. But as a consumer, I guess it's like well okay, so they completed the incomplete game that I should have had on launch date. Yay.

That aside, I feel like the Reject ending is a big slap in the face to the consumers for voicing their complaints. Essentially it says: Shepard's choice to be free, ended up being a bad choice. It was a failure that killed us all. I mean yeah, it's implied that the next generation eventually defeats the cycle (with the information passed on from this one). But it's never really clarified how they won. So to me, it kind of insinuates that Shepard's choice to be free, was still a bad decision. And if the other cycle wants to win, they better not **** up like Shepard. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it wouldn't surprise me given how BioWare has acted up to this point (being resentful of those that didn't like their vision, or see it as being high art), that this ending is a reply to those that had a major issue with the Star Child and the fans want to reject this. 

So yeah, the endings still blow. But at least they feel complete. At least they now make sense (sort of). They still dropped the ball in regards to the War Assets and making them actually mean something. They still dropped the ball in terms of allowing the characters choices throughout the series actually mean something in the end (they really don't, once you get up to that citadel, you are presented with the same choices, regardless what choices you made in 1, 2 and 3. You might be like: well isn't that a bit ridiculous. How do you expect an ending to include your choices. Easy. You make an option where if you did the right things, and had your War Assets up high enough, you could convince all the Galaxy to stand together, and actually beat the reapers with Unity and through battle. That alone would have given players that option/choice that would have reflected their entire game experiences). But nope.

The ending still feels like an isolated section separate from the rest of the games experience. And yeah. I don't know what else to say. Basically, the entire ending relies on a vision from Casey and Mac (that much is obvious). And their vision wasn't a good one. What's unfortuante is that the entire series sort of relied on this ending (since they took it upon themselves to define what the Cycle and Reapers meant in the last minutes of the game). So if that vision fails (it does), then it also takes down the rest of the plot. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 26 juin 2012 - 04:07 .

[Bendigoe]

Subject M wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bendigoe wrote...

Question, in destroy why can't we just fix the Geth or EDI, the Starchild heavily implies that all technology destroyed by the burst...wave...thing can be repaired easily.
Synthetics are comprised of technology, the only thing they probably wouldn't retain is memories...?

Because they wouldn't have their memories.  Statistically it's far more likely that the new synthetics would be hostile to organics like the ones in all of the previous cycles were.

Its true that it would seem they could not be restored as the unique information-signature that constituted minds have been destroyed and can not be recreated. You can not unscramble an egg.

They were a race of machines, they have to have had been atleast smart enough to compile all their information or something into some kind of high-tech geth USB.
I find it hard to believe that if a computer was self-aware it wouldn't create back-up files and such. EDI probably did.

[Iacov]

what about the little blue babies?

and why does "destroy" kill EDI and the geth?
being synthetic would mean that they needed to be able to reproduce themselves, like the reapers can
being merely an AI in a mechanic hull doesn't make you synthetic imho

[Kenzie1100]

Just finished it with the Shepard lives ending. Pretty much have the same feelings as most other people.
I really wish they would have put some sort of closure or clarification on Shepard living and what happens afterwards, however, I think the fact that you at least get to say goodbye, and see the memorial service (of sorts) takes some of the sting off.
However, in regards to the rest of the ending, I was pretty pleased, it definitely gave me more closure.
Still, what happens to Shepard damn it

[Geneaux486]

Bendigoe wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bendigoe wrote...

Question, in destroy why can't we just fix the Geth or EDI, the Starchild heavily implies that all technology destroyed by the burst...wave...thing can be repaired easily.
Synthetics are comprised of technology, the only thing they probably wouldn't retain is memories...?

Because they wouldn't have their memories.  Statistically it's far more likely that the new synthetics would be hostile to organics like the ones in all of the previous cycles were.

Its true that it would seem they could not be restored as the unique information-signature that constituted minds have been destroyed and can not be recreated. You can not unscramble an egg.

They were a race of machines, they have to have had been atleast smart enough to compile all their information or something into some kind of high-tech geth USB.
I find it hard to believe that if a computer was self-aware it wouldn't create back-up files and such. EDI probably did.

If they made backup files to their increasingly organic mindsets, those would have been fried by destroy as well.

[Dance Craze]

I'm not even going to download it. I just have given up and don't care anymore.

[Shatterhand1701]

Vikali wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

Vikali wrote...

AlexandraK wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Why is it so hard to piece together?

Why is it so hard to show this? 

I'll ask them to sell movie rights to Disney for you.

Well, at least they give their audience what they expected/hoped for in the end...and sadly ME-series at no point EVER made it clear that I had to headcanon the entire ending to please me..in fact it was implied by many Bioware-statements otherwise...

and that "disney" insult gets so lame by now...its not even an insult! I loved "Dragon Slayer" and the first "Pirates"

I've never seen people so open about admitting they don't like to use their brain. Kudos.

Vikali:

First of all, get over the "Disney" insult.  It's overwrought, highly inaccurate, and criminally unfunny.  Lose it.

Second of all and most importantly, I'd be fine with "using my brain", as you put it, if the scene given to us contained at least a modicum of intelligence.  A clear indication that the love interest is aware that Shepard is alive is not your oh-so-cleverly-titled "Disney" ending by any stretch.  However, it illustrates a lot more of the "hope" Tully from Bioware says we're supposed to assume exists.  They don't even need to see each other face-to-face.  Just the knowledge that Shepard's not dead and the love interest will see him/her again would've been better than "See this vague scene?  You should assume this means everything is okay!  Savor the flavor, cuz that's all you're gettin'."

[CNevarezN]

I liked it alot. Took a long ass time to d/l it but I finally saw it! My Shep still lived, heh.

[I. C. Wiener]

I was given one last chance to bioware, have failed after years that I buy their games now will not do it anymore, goodbye bioware have lost a customer

[Vox Draco]

LolaLei wrote...

It seems logical that they do, we'll just never get to see it happening LOL. Either way, it's better than what we had before.

Actually, everything in my own head is better than what we had and what we got now...I wish I could make my mind-images visible...

a battle on Earth, fighting against Major Coates who is indoctrinated, Shepard fighting a battle of wills against Harbinger, using the crucible in the end with the help of the Keepers who finally take revenge on the Reapers, a sad sacrifice of Anderson who activates the crucible in the end so Shepard can live, followed by a sad bittersweet reunin with all squadmates in the ruins of Earth...

[tettenjager]

Thank you for the EC, im a loss for words, the improved ending is so beautiful, so well done.

Now we finally have a worthy ending to one of, no THE BEST videogame series of all time. I was just shocked how good the EC did, It gave me everything that i missed from the original ending, the "vigil" style conversation with the catalyst, the conclusion of the races,... Just... Bravo Bioware! I love you guys !!

Now bring on that sweet Single player story DLC

[AchesOfDoom]

Omega Retake here it comes...hehehehe....

[Subject M]

WastedHeart wrote...

Subject M wrote...

WastedHeart wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

WastedHeart wrote...

I completely disagree that destroy only has one advantage over the others. In synthesis you have still forced the entire galaxy to become synthetic/organic hybrids and not everyone is going to be happy about that. And in control you have to presume that Shepard will be able to control the Reapers forevermore and that people will be happy with the Reapers still being around. Destroy comprehensively ends the threat without having to alter life as we know it in any way and, imo, is what most of the galaxy would have chosen given the option. The geth dying is awful, but that doesn't mean destroy doesn't have certain other advantages over the other ends that have nothing to do with Shepard living.

I don't disagree.

If you believe that picking Destroy is the best option because you don't want to do the hybrid thing or because you're afraid that Control won't end well, then you get to have your cake and eat it too: you get the ending you prefer and you get to live. Everything's coming up millhouse.

I only disagree when people claim that picking destroy is the only way to save the galaxy. It's firmly established that it isn't, so I get frustrated when people say "but trillions would have died if I didn't pick Destroy." That part isn't true.

If you picked Destroy knowing that it wasn't the only possible solution but feeling that the downsides of the other two possible choices were worse, I respect that completely. It's people who speak as if not choosing destory means the Reapers win that I take issue with.

Also, if you think that destroy is just as valid on its own merits as the other endings, then why should Shepard living be correlated with that particular ending? People keep saying that if Shepard lived in any ending other than destroy, that would be "bad," but if Destroy is fine on its own merits, why is that the case?

If I were to guess (because it can only be a guess), I would say it is because BioWare originally intended destroy to be the renegady organics first end. So then it makes sense that Shepard lives only in that one. But a lot of people (including me) don't pick it for that reason. Even if my Shep died in destroy, I'd still choose it because I simply can't quite stomach aspects of the other two. I believe in people having the freedom to make their own destinies and so does my canon Shep, and the majority of the galaxy's races (minus the geth) can do just that in the destroy end without the Reapers' shadow hanging over them anymore . Plus, my Shepard has no God complex so would find it difficult to believe she could control the Reapers for any period of time (nor would she want to) or to believe that she had any right to fundamentally alter all life in the galaxy.

Also, personally I'd have no problem with Shep living somehow in all three. But even if she did, I'd still pick destroy.

I understand, but isnt killing all synthetics, and thus robbing them of everything (not just their freedom) a more grave offence then adding a synthetic element to everyone?

Not to me because I see it as the loss of just one race so the rest can be free. In synthesis everyone is forced through a change that no-one asked for, and there is no way imo that they would all be okay with that. There is nothing in the game to suggest, for example, that the geth want to be part organic. They're happy as they are. And so are organics.

I understand if you have a different opinion from me, but that is how I personally see things.

Just seems strange to me. While it is quite a horrible thing to have new functions added to you without your concent, being killed seems like a worse crime, at least as long as nothing is removed and you can still function and act in accordance to your own will. Its not like the loose their freedom in that sense.

Would you have sacrificed humanity if they where the ones who had to go?

Modifié par Subject M, 26 juin 2012 - 04:08 .

[umadcommander]

well the EC was better than i feared but worse than id hoped

[Iakus]

wicked_being wrote...

AchesOfDoom wrote...

Question : EDI doesn't still exist in Normandy as an AI? I thought that she only controlled Eve's body...

Ahh I was wondering about this too. When EDI occupied Eva's body, didn't the Normandy shut down or as the crew said they were "dead in the water"? Even Joker couldn't do anything then. So if EDI died as a result of the red beam, shouldn't they be stranded in that jungle planet? Kind of weird since they took off like it was nothing.

EDI is stored in a quantum blue box (likely in the AI core of the Normandy) and conrtols the bot remotely.  Blue boxes are all unique.  Destroying one, or the AI in it irretrievably destroys the AI.  Another can be made, but it wouldn't be the same, any more than two humans are the same, even if they grow up in identical circumstances.

If EDI is destroyed, EDI is gone, just like killing a human.  Unless Cerberus has a Lazarus Project for AIs, at least...

Modifié par iakus, 26 juin 2012 - 04:11 .

[Bfler]

How do they repair the Normandy after the crash? The "wings" with the engines are destroyed and for that you need at least a shipyard.

Modifié par Bfler, 26 juin 2012 - 04:10 .

[Chrislo1990]

I'm still not satisfied. The inclusion of a couple of slides and lines of dialogue is still not enough to redeem an entire franchise. Bioware knew that and they still refused to change a thing. I'm still left with questions. For instance, how did the alien fleets return home with the relays damaged? Even if they were to be fixed with Reaper assistance, that would take time and clearly the fleets would run out of food and supplies at some point. That's one question that popped into my head. I also wasn't satisfied with Joker's scene with Garrus. He never spoke a word and I didn't buy his hesitation to leave. I don't know. It just felt really cheap. I also didn't like how Shepard's memory is honored. A simple plaque is all you can think of Bioware? Shepard deserves a grand funeral with all the species present or even a huge statue on Earth honoring his feats. Overall very lazy work Bioware. I had expected dialogue scenes, not a narration.

[AchesOfDoom]

iakus wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

AchesOfDoom wrote...

Question : EDI doesn't still exist in Normandy as an AI? I thought that she only controlled Eve's body...

Ahh I was wondering about this too. When EDI occupied Eva's body, didn't the Normandy shut down or as the crew said they were "dead in the water"? Even Joker couldn't do anything then. So if EDI died as a result of the red beam, shouldn't they be stranded in that jungle planet? Kind of weird since they took off like it was nothing.

EDI is stored in a quantum blue box (likely in the AI core of the Normandy) and conrtols the bo remotely.  Blue boxes are all unique.  Destroying one, or the AI in it irretrievably destroys the AI.  Another can be made, but it wouldn't be the same, any more than two humans are the same, even if they grow up in identical circumstances.

If EDI is destroyed, EDI is gone, just like killing a human.  Unless Cerberus has a Lazarus Project for AIs, at least...

I laughed so hard...BRAVO!

[LolaLei]

Vox Draco wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

It seems logical that they do, we'll just never get to see it happening LOL. Either way, it's better than what we had before.

Actually, everything in my own head is better than what we had and what we got now...I wish I could make my mind-images visible...

a battle on Earth, fighting against Major Coates who is indoctrinated, Shepard fighting a battle of wills against Harbinger, using the crucible in the end with the help of the Keepers who finally take revenge on the Reapers, a sad sacrifice of Anderson who activates the crucible in the end so Shepard can live, followed by a sad bittersweet reunin with all squadmates in the ruins of Earth...

Well yeah there is that, but they were never gonna totally redo the ending from scratch.

... I always thought Javik should have sacrificed himself in the place of Shepard, he planned to kill himself after the Reaper attack was over anyway AND he wanted revenge on the reapers for killing off his entire race. Win-win if you ask me!

[Silasqtx]

[slowpoke] I'm on Rannoch [/slowpoke]

Eager to see how he EC will play out for me :3