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[Bendigoe]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bendigoe wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bendigoe wrote...

Question, in destroy why can't we just fix the Geth or EDI, the Starchild heavily implies that all technology destroyed by the burst...wave...thing can be repaired easily.
Synthetics are comprised of technology, the only thing they probably wouldn't retain is memories...?

Because they wouldn't have their memories.  Statistically it's far more likely that the new synthetics would be hostile to organics like the ones in all of the previous cycles were.

Its true that it would seem they could not be restored as the unique information-signature that constituted minds have been destroyed and can not be recreated. You can not unscramble an egg.

They were a race of machines, they have to have had been atleast smart enough to compile all their information or something into some kind of high-tech geth USB.
I find it hard to believe that if a computer was self-aware it wouldn't create back-up files and such. EDI probably did.

If they made backup files to their increasingly organic mindsets, those would have been fried by destroy as well.

Oh yeah  Well where's the harm in starting again 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

DON'T SHOOT THE KID! You'll kill us all!

[Rinji the Bearded]

Subject M wrote...

Just seems strange to me. While it is quite a horrible thing to have new functions added to you without your concent, being killed seems like a worse crime, at least as long as nothing is removed and you can still function and act in accordance to your own will. Its not like the loose their freedom in that sense.

Would you have sacrificed humanity if they where the ones who had to go?

If they had merged with reaper tech, then yes.  If you want to reject the Reapers and their theory, the only way to do that is to destroy them.  And those who choose the destroy ending have to accept that as a consequence, just as the people who choose Synthesis have to accept homogenity and the loss of humanity as a consequence.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 26 juin 2012 - 04:13 .

[iHorizons]

I enjoyed the Extended Cut. Destroy is by the far the best ending. Synthesis is good but still makes no sense, and control is laughable utter garbage.

[ArchDuck]

I would like to point out that they (Bioware) still haven't lived up to the statements on which I bought the game on.

[Vox Draco]

LolaLei wrote...

Well yeah there is that, but they were never gonna totally redo the ending from scratch.

... I always thought Javik should have sacrificed himself in the place of Shepard, he planned to kill himself after the Reaper attack was over anyway AND he wanted revenge on the reapers for killing off his entire race. Win-win if you ask me!

Yep, that's why I really wish I could travel back in time and show EA/Bioware what the ending received of backlash...I really don't think we would see the same artistic ending as now...*chuckles* never...

Hmm..but if I travel back in time I could also...*grins evilly* ... and make so much money I'd buy EA...*laughs* and turn them into a company of *muhahaha*...sorry, got carried away...

[WastedHeart]

Subject M wrote...

WastedHeart wrote...

Subject M wrote...

WastedHeart wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

WastedHeart wrote...

I completely disagree that destroy only has one advantage over the others. In synthesis you have still forced the entire galaxy to become synthetic/organic hybrids and not everyone is going to be happy about that. And in control you have to presume that Shepard will be able to control the Reapers forevermore and that people will be happy with the Reapers still being around. Destroy comprehensively ends the threat without having to alter life as we know it in any way and, imo, is what most of the galaxy would have chosen given the option. The geth dying is awful, but that doesn't mean destroy doesn't have certain other advantages over the other ends that have nothing to do with Shepard living.

I don't disagree.

If you believe that picking Destroy is the best option because you don't want to do the hybrid thing or because you're afraid that Control won't end well, then you get to have your cake and eat it too: you get the ending you prefer and you get to live. Everything's coming up millhouse.

I only disagree when people claim that picking destroy is the only way to save the galaxy. It's firmly established that it isn't, so I get frustrated when people say "but trillions would have died if I didn't pick Destroy." That part isn't true.

If you picked Destroy knowing that it wasn't the only possible solution but feeling that the downsides of the other two possible choices were worse, I respect that completely. It's people who speak as if not choosing destory means the Reapers win that I take issue with.

Also, if you think that destroy is just as valid on its own merits as the other endings, then why should Shepard living be correlated with that particular ending? People keep saying that if Shepard lived in any ending other than destroy, that would be "bad," but if Destroy is fine on its own merits, why is that the case?

If I were to guess (because it can only be a guess), I would say it is because BioWare originally intended destroy to be the renegady organics first end. So then it makes sense that Shepard lives only in that one. But a lot of people (including me) don't pick it for that reason. Even if my Shep died in destroy, I'd still choose it because I simply can't quite stomach aspects of the other two. I believe in people having the freedom to make their own destinies and so does my canon Shep, and the majority of the galaxy's races (minus the geth) can do just that in the destroy end without the Reapers' shadow hanging over them anymore . Plus, my Shepard has no God complex so would find it difficult to believe she could control the Reapers for any period of time (nor would she want to) or to believe that she had any right to fundamentally alter all life in the galaxy.

Also, personally I'd have no problem with Shep living somehow in all three. But even if she did, I'd still pick destroy.

I understand, but isnt killing all synthetics, and thus robbing them of everything (not just their freedom) a more grave offence then adding a synthetic element to everyone?

Not to me because I see it as the loss of just one race so the rest can be free. In synthesis everyone is forced through a change that no-one asked for, and there is no way imo that they would all be okay with that. There is nothing in the game to suggest, for example, that the geth want to be part organic. They're happy as they are. And so are organics.

I understand if you have a different opinion from me, but that is how I personally see things.

Just seems strange to me. While it is quite a horrible thing to have new functions added to you without your concent, being killed seems like a worse crime, at least as long as nothing is removed and you can still function and act in accordance to your own will. Its not like the loose their freedom in that sense.

Would you have sacrificed humanity if they where the ones who had to go?

Yep. It doesn't make any difference to me which race it is. I just cannot get behind synthesis or control so that leaves me with only one option: destroy.

Synthesis to me is wrong because it's done to EVERYONE in the whole galaxy without their consent and destroys diversity (to an extent). Also, it is playing God and implies the only way for people to get along is for everyone to be the same. Cos similar people never fight....*cough*

Destroy is also awful, but it effects a far lower number. Personally, I'd rather die than be fundametally altered, and I'm completely serious when I say that.

[Lone Triarii]

People of the galaxy the tyranny of the Reapers is over!

*cheering *

Instead, a brand new reign of tyranny shall begin with me! Bow before me puny mortals or feel my wrath!

Sorry, just finished picking control.

[Kub666]

Did anybody played with a very low EMS? I'd like to know about the "bad" endings, if they are still around.

[jabajack]

I have only played the control and the reject ending but from them I would say that the EC was good as it offered alot more closure. Th control option now makes sense in the paragon blue, Shep uses the Reapers to rebuild the galactic community. I'll play the other two but i doubt i'll like Synthesis based on my own beleifs on the idea and I guess Destroy would be aiming for a post WW2 in Europe feel.

My only real gripe is that Shep has to die for the 'good' ending and we don't see more on the fate of our comrades. However I do have to thank Bioware for EC as it has rectified a number of issues of ME3 for me.

[Gunjan]

Ending felt like it was just "good enough" so they can try and stop us from complaining. Oh and of course to re-market the game on all platforms and salvage marketing on Wii U.

Still no Harbinger, really should have included something with him pre-starchild. That is by far my biggest gripe, almost 2GB and nothing with Harbinger? He could have been the final boss fight or something.

Could have sworn Bioware said there would be new stuff from Cerberus HQ on.

Modifié par Gunjan, 26 juin 2012 - 04:20 .

[Geneaux486]

So from what I've seen the EC makes the ending pretty awesome. Bioware's really gone above and beyond in this whole mess.

[Vox Draco]

Lone Triarii wrote...


People of the galaxy the tyranny of the Reapers is over!

*cheering *

Instead, a brand new reign of tyranny shall begin with me! Bow before me puny mortals or feel my wrath!

Sorry, just finished picking control.

Ah don't worry...Shepard's mind will eventually end up in insanity anyway, being trapped inside a computer with only the thoughts of her Love-Interest, friends, feelings she once had and never will have again...

I think this is how the Reapers started the cycle-stuff...first they "ascended" to guardians of all living beings, then they started to wipe them out because they lost everything they once had...

control still seems to be the worst ending you can throw at your Shepard, even in synthesis it is at least over for her quickly...

[JRCHOharry]

I still picked Destroy and I still don't regret killing the Geth/EDI. Although having to see her smile in one of the flashback scenes nearly broke my heart.
I also got a slideshow Jacob talking to some people, Samara with her daughter and a shot of Zaeed relaxing on a sunbed with what seems to be some fine goddamn whiskey, so thanks to whichever Biodev put that in, it made me laugh!

[Drenick18]

aw HELL YEAH I'm the Reaper-Jesus-Space-Batman-Shepard. control is awesome.

[ArchDuck]

Geneaux486 wrote...

So from what I've seen the EC makes the ending pretty awesome. Bioware's really gone above and beyond in this whole mess.

I would disagree. It makes the endings passable and I would like to point out that they (Bioware) still haven't lived up to the statements on which I bought the game on, so "above and beyond" is a fairly big exageration.

[Darth Death]

The new endings made me giggle, & here's why:

Destroy Ending: Is pretty much the same before the change. It's what you'd expect.

Control Ending: Shep becomes the star child/reaper conscience. By default (if you pick this ending), Shep is a hypocrite since he (or she) was opposed to TIM idea of control, & yet follows through with it.

Synthesis Ending: Was kind of creepy. It seemed like everyone was indoctrinated by shep's dna, and not to mention that everyone are now cyborgs.

Refusal Ending: Pretty much the reapers win. In the end, if shep choose his (or her) destiny, outside the star child's plans, it concludes with the reapers winning. To have any success, you'll have to go with the options the star child supplies.

It's like I said awhile back, if you enjoyed the endings before the EC, then you'll like this. However, if you didn't like the endings at all, then chances are you're not going to see much of a difference.

[Geneaux486]

JRCHOharry wrote...
a shot of Zaeed relaxing on a sunbed with what seems to be some fine goddamn whiskey, so thanks to whichever Biodev put that in, it made me laugh!

Dude that's awesome.

Refusal Ending: Pretty much the reapers win. In the end, if shep choose his (or her) destiny, outside the star child's plans, it concludes with the reapers winning. To have any success, you'll have to go with the options the star child supplies.

The Catalyst's plan is to make everyone into Reapers.  The Crucible is of organic design, as are the functions that it is capable of.  The Crucible is outside of the Catalyst's plans, and it's the best of a bad situation.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 26 juin 2012 - 04:24 .

[Warlegend]

What happens post-credits if you pick the Refuse ending?

[ElitePinecone]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Hey, I just realized that with the "I don't want to decide for the galaxy" ending, they really match the Deus Ex: Human Revolutions endings now.

Hah!

[spacehamsterZH]

FemmeShep wrote...

So yeah, the endings still blow. But at least they feel complete. At least they now make sense (sort of). 

That's about the long and short of it, yeah. I liked the expanded version of the conversation with SpaceCasper, and Shepard just felt a bit more like Shepard because at least you got the option to question everything and ultimately say "screw you". The slideshow at the end is about the absolute minimum I would've expected to come out of our choices along the way, but at least it's something.

It still doesn't really address the two major issues, i.e. the fact that the ending is a logical and thematical disaster and the fact that it feels like what I did ultimately didn't matter much in terms of the big picture, but at least it's not an incomplete stub that I can barely comprehend anymore. In short, I understand it a bit better now, but I still don't particularly like it.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 26 juin 2012 - 04:25 .

[ninjaNumber1]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

DON'T SHOOT THE KID! You'll kill us all!

If you have a very high EMS and 100% readiness, then shooting the kid leads to a bad ass victory.....






kidding around... but just hoping that is the case

[lSweetJusticel]

Copied and pasted from a locked down thread, because people need to hear what I think!

Even though I agree that the Refusal option was an "f--- you if you didn't appreciate our artistic vision" I'm going to reject their f--- you and make it the choice for my Shep. It and the destroy option are the only two that have any place in the game at all, IMO. Let's battle reapers for 99.9% of the trilogy, watch them murder our friends and loved ones,and then decide at the very last second to work with them?! NEVER. I do like how Destroy was fleshed out a bit, so maybe I'll go with that instead. Game time decision!

Someone else pointed out on another post, but it bears repeating...while I'm not thrilled with the EC and still have no tolerance for the Synthesis or Control options, it does make the original endings that shipped with the game even more obviously TERRIBLE. Seriously, go back and watch them on Youtube. Awful. One man's opinion. But the correct opinion!

I will never forget how much fun I had (and am still having) playing the trilogy, both single player and multi. But I will also never forget how terribly disappointed I was when I first finished ME3. And I'll never forget how poorly BioWare handled the PR for this game, from the pre-release marketing lies to the "it's not us, it's you" response to the endings. Artistic vision my ****. Maybe they'll learn something from the way this whole thing played out and DA3 and ME4 will be better for it.

Either way, at least I can now make a final decision that makes sense for my Shep. And if that's not enough....there are always the Marauder Shields comics!

[Frybread76]

ArchDuck wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

So from what I've seen the EC makes the ending pretty awesome. Bioware's really gone above and beyond in this whole mess.

I would disagree. It makes the endings passable and I would like to point out that they (Bioware) still haven't lived up to the statements on which I bought the game on, so "above and beyond" is a fairly big exageration.

This.  I don't know why so many people are raving about the new endings.  They do explain some of the more ambiguous aspects of the original endings but really add nothing new and leave a lot of bad elements, such as Space Ghost.

[Geneaux486]

Warlegend17 wrote...

What happens post-credits if you pick the Refuse ending?

I'd laugh if it was still the Stargazer scene, running for its full length, same background, same music, only nobody's standing there or talking.