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[Razenove]

The Refusal was probably my favourite ending, seemed to fit well with the choices and personality of my Shepard and has the satisfaction of "everything works out." You know, if you take the "long" view.

Still not fantastic, but they've definitely improved the endings with this effort.

[Aurelia Emenuidros]

I was too far off to even see the ending, so I said: Screw it, I wanna see the EC now. So I watched on youtube (the destroy sequence) and was completely blown away by it and loved it completely. I don't understand why people are complaining so much about the whole LI reunion thing not happening. Honestly, people, you need to just let it go because BW did this to make you happy, yet it isn't good enough for you...

Unlike most of you, I loved the original ending, and the EC only made it better for me because now I know that my FemShep's LI refuses to accept that she's dead. That is what I call a great way get into my heart and know that they will someday be reunited. I'll leave that up to headcanon.

Thank you, BW. Your hard work to satisfy me really paid off. At least now I'll die happy.

[Subject M]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Subject M wrote...

First of all, The threat of the Reapers is in what they do to others they want to control or harvest. Not in the technology itself. My Shep too would like nothing more then to reject the Star-childs wild assertions, telling them to go away and giving us a chance to solve the situations ourselves but the situation is as it is and we the newly allied galactic community was never given the chance to build our own future on any other terms then those defined by the catalyst and involving quite hideous procedures involving genocide or different types of vaporization and integration with unknown technologies baring unknown effects.

Syntheis does not mean homogenity, but it does mean change.  Another form of homogenity comes with destroy as only organic life remain.

The threat of the Reapers is that they assumed that organic and synthetic life could never peacefully coexist.   This is inherently a patronizing and outdated view point that they enforce by controlling and harvesting organic life.  As we now know, however, that view point is completely incorrect.  Synthesis is in agreement with the Reapers' viewpoint, which is why many people reject it as being a viable ending.  Yes, you seem to find the most peaceful solution, but at what cost to humanity?  EDI even mentions in the ending that mortality may cease to exist.  That's all fine and dandy, but mortality should not be viewed as a negative consequence of living.  It's how all living things evolve and change.  Choosing the Destroy ending finally allows life to spiral forward with hope.  And, who knows?  Who says that hybrid organic/synthetic life would not be possible in the future?

But it'd be nice for life in that universe to finally choose their own path instead of it having it chosen for them, wouldn't it?

I think it is important to not mix things up here.

The Reapers saying that organics and synthetics cant co-exist (and that this is an idea that does not seem to fit in the narrative and thus comes across as outlandish) does not mean finding middle ground between synthetics and organics is wrong, even if it is in a form of a syhthesis. The main problem with the synthesis as prescribed by the catalyst is that it is not something developed and implemented willingly through organic and syntheic races working side by side to get closer to one another, understand each other better and trying out things to create their own future together, but that it is imposed from the crucible (it more or less applies to all the three solutions offered by the catalyst of course). The same goes for immortality and mortality. Its arguably horrible to be forced not to die when you do not want to live and horrible to die when you want to live.
 
Its simply impossible for my Shepard to destroy something as unique and valuable as the both the Geth and EDI.

[BlackDevil06]

From what I've just read here, I'm glad that I didn't waste my time downloading it and replaying it, but downloaded mods for Skyrim.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Every Flashback I see so far, the YouTube Uploaders only show Anderson, Thane, and Liara in the Flashback when igniting the Crucible. What gives???? Every video I have found so far have been the same. I thought they would vary depending on LIs. They couldn't all be Liaramancers.

[Vox Draco]

Langeman wrote...

Just a thought in general;

Is the Catalysts "solutions" more alignment-based? 



Destroy is Chaotic, 

 - Choosing not to use the reapers as an asset?


Synthesis is Law and, 

 - Forcing everything to become one, creating a straight line out of diversity?


Control is Neutrality.

 - Using the reapers as a means to keep the universe as it is? 


and Rejection is... well another way of Chaos I guess...

(just finished PS:T while waiting for EC so I'm abit focused on aligement right now )

I think destroy is more lawful, in regards to plainscape torment at least...Mercykillers? They ould never leave the crimes of the Reapers go unpunished!

[Lone Triarii]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Every Flashback I see so far, the YouTube Uploaders only show Anderson, Thane, and Liara in the Flashback when igniting the Crucible. What gives???? Every video I have found so far have been the same. I thought they would vary depending on LIs. They couldn't all be Liaramancers.

I got EDI and Tali.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Every Flashback I see so far, the YouTube Uploaders only show Anderson, Thane, and Liara in the Flashback when igniting the Crucible. What gives???? Every video I have found so far have been the same. I thought they would vary depending on LIs. They couldn't all be Liaramancers.

i saw anderson,edi and ashley

I don't get it. Why Edi?

Lone Triarii wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...




Every Flashback I see so far, the YouTube Uploaders only show Anderson, Thane, and Liara in the Flashback when igniting the Crucible. What gives???? Every video I have found so far have been the same. I thought they would vary depending on LIs. They couldn't all be Liaramancers.

I got EDI and Tali.

Was Tali your LI? Miranda is mine. Those Uploaders couldn't be all Liaramancers.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2012 - 05:07 .

[crimsontotem]

so there is no closure in this game huh... what happens to Shepard? WTF you will not pul anotherl cowboy bebop to this!

[Tairram]

They make all better and explained almost all the plotholes but my shepard didnt have a choice again.. All i get ****ed. Choices 1) we win but i lose all 2) i lose all lose 3) i lose again all4) get another cycle wtf.

My shepard cant live =/. Really sad. Destroy ending, killed all the reapers and just this. All the technology we achieved is working in the same way. I think the ''child'' lied lol....

Martyr ending ? I could have a choice, a happy ending =/. We have pseudo choices again. Its like mass effect isnt the same anymore. We have choices until the real ending, where the creators say how shepard end=/.

I wasnt hoping for  a happy ending because my hope was low for this extended. Real bad, they fix a lot of things and plot, but the end basically stay the same for my shepard, like I said=/

I didnt understand one thing. How the breathing chest fill at the best ending now ? or it was erased this scene and this didnt happen ? Obs: I dont know with my war asset bugged and dont show the scene. But how this fit ?

Modifié par Tairram, 26 juin 2012 - 05:15 .

[VonVerrikan]

Did you really have to focus so hard on the krogans at the end? Really? I have no closure at all for the turians thanks to you guys, I'm just left to assume everything went well. And then that troll with the LI? Come on guys, you really should have just done more than imply shepards alive, that one hurts and makes me still long for proper closure.

[Langeman]

Vox Draco wrote...

I think destroy is more lawful, in regards to plainscape torment at least...Mercykillers? They ould never leave the crimes of the Reapers go unpunished!

Haha! True story. Got to love Vhailors determination! 

[Persefone82]

DISAPPOINTED. AGAIN. Don't make me wrong. The extended cut is really an improvement: it tells us many things and goes further, there is a bit more logical conclusion, you see where your allies end (Dragon Age style, I guess). I really appreciated that they have added dialogues and improve animations to fullfill the holes. They have completed an incomplete game and in a very logical way.
But......in my personal opinion, the endings still suck.
I think that I will never be satisfied with this Star Child cheap philosophy. It's too much confusing and repetitive.
The scene with the star troll has been improved a lot: but I think they made an overexplanation of everything and it results really boring in some moments. Still no Harbinger confrontation. I don't know, for me, is the idea of the star troll itself which is not good.
And this is what makes me sad, because, at Bioware they have been always great story-tellers. Yeah, now the ending has is own logic. But it's still no epic. It's fair enough. But this is not an adjective that can describe the Mass Effect saga.
And ok, my Shepard breaths. So? Oh, I can use my imagination, I guess.

[Lone Triarii]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Every Flashback I see so far, the YouTube Uploaders only show Anderson, Thane, and Liara in the Flashback when igniting the Crucible. What gives???? Every video I have found so far have been the same. I thought they would vary depending on LIs. They couldn't all be Liaramancers.

i saw anderson,edi and ashley

I don't get it. Why Edi?

Lone Triarii wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...




Every Flashback I see so far, the YouTube Uploaders only show Anderson, Thane, and Liara in the Flashback when igniting the Crucible. What gives???? Every video I have found so far have been the same. I thought they would vary depending on LIs. They couldn't all be Liaramancers.

I got EDI and Tali.

Was Tali your LI? Miranda is mine. Those Uploaders couldn't be all Liaramancers.

Yep, though I don’t know why EDI’s now there either.

Maybe Liara also shows up if you don’t have a LI?

[Vilegrim]

TullyAckland wrote...

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We try to listen to all feedback we receive, but sometimes we receive conflicting feedback, or very specific requests that can’t all be implemented. Ultimately our job is to interpret the feedback and design something that addresses the bulk of the feedback while maintaining its own sense of design and integrity.

can we at least have an aknowledgement for the people who found the star child morally repugnant?  So far no one has (to my knowledge) shown any understanding of that view.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Lone Triarii wrote...
Yep, though I don’t know why EDI’s now there either.

Maybe Liara also shows up if you don’t have a LI?

Does this depend on how much you talk to people? Is that why, for most videos I've scene, Thane and Liara are in the Flashbacks?

This better not be the case, because if it is, I would have to talk to NO ONE, except Miranda.

[Chrislo1990]

The EC was a complete disappointment to me as well. We never find out what happened to the Rachni or how in the hell the Normandy was fully repaired after having crash landed on a jungle planet. I highly doubt the crew could obtain the necessary resources and machinery to repair such an advanced ship. Also we still get that cheap scene where shepard takes a breath.Nothing more is ever shown. I mean if this were to be the conclusive end to the franchise, why leave even more plot holes huh? Man it's just ridiculous Bioware. Massive fail

[mxfox408]

I thought the EC was actually better than I thought. This ofcourse is my opinion on it. I thought all the ending were better explained, even though most expected th EC to be IT unfortunately are going to be disappointed. If this was in the game when it shipped instead of the half assed ending, it probably would have been better received. I have to say bioware did a better job at this ending the the original, they even went as far to include rejection of the starchild. This ending bumps up my original 5/10 to a 9/10. Good job bioware though there are still plotholes you filled most of the gaps

[Lone Triarii]

Well I just tried synthesis.

I’m glad it now explains what the hell it does- oh wait! No it doesn’t.

But everyone looks happy, so this leads to believe that they’re now all brainwashed…

Also, seeing my crew like that .

[dragonator89]

Is it so hard to get a DAO ending or something similar.

If bioware had gone with IT it would have been the best mind warping ending in gaming history.

[humes spork]

wheelierdan wrote...

i watched all 4 endings on youtube and i have to say of the big three, i fought back tears on every one, and each one would make me say THIS is the ending. They were all equally valid and meaningful.

My (evil) adept's control ending was jaw-droppingly sinister.

Her bestie was Javik, and she never romanced anyone, so her flashbacks were of Javik and he was one of the two to step out of the Normandy. That alone was deliciously ironic, until her epilogue flashbacks were of Mordin (who she shot), Wrex (who she shot), and Tali (who found out that first step was indeed a doozy). So the end result was "I'm Reaper-Shepard now ****es, and I'm the most powerful being in the galaxy. I'll never forget all the people I blatantly betrayed and murdered to get here."

Couldn't have been more perfect.

(And did anyone else's control ending have their Shepard do some megalomaniacal monologue about how they're the most powerful being and will no longer allow the weak to get in the way of the strong, and all kinds of other evil overlord crap? Is that based on renegade/paragon maybe, or is it a generic thing?)

Modifié par humes spork, 26 juin 2012 - 05:36 .

[ElectricZ]

When I finished ME3, I turned around and made this comic which summed up what I felt.



I just watched the EC endings on YouTube - I couldn't see playing through the endgame again to see how it worked out. It just wasn't worth it.

That being said, had these EC been part of the original ME3 I would have been less disappointed. It addresses why the Normandy took off decently enough (following orders) and gave me some sense of accomplishment seeing the homeworlds saved and in my case would have shown the krogan and quarians/geth rebuilding their civilizations, as well as some idea of what happened to the crew afterwards.

It also adds the 4th option of telling the star child to ****** off, so some additional freedom is granted there.

Unfortunately for me, though, it still has the star child, the catalyst, the crash, and control/synthesis/destruction stuff that seems to fly in the face of ME1 and ME2 and I still can't swallow it even with the EC additions. So in essence, the EC made it a little better, but you never get a second chance to make a first impression, and the colossal WTF moment I experienced when I finished ME3 is still stuck in my head. Maybe if I were playing through it for the first time it would work better for me. But unfortunately, my life doesn't have a save game that I can just set back to March 6.

At the very least I do appreciate the fact that Bioware tried to flesh things out a little knowing they weren't going to be able to please everyone. It's better for me than it was before, but I think no matter what happens in the future when I think about or tell someone about Mass Effect, WTF is the first thing that will come to mind.

[chuckles471]

crimsontotem wrote...

so there is no closure in this game huh... what happens to Shepard? WTF you will not pul anotherl cowboy bebop to this!

Don't give them that much credit, this isn't even fit enough to lick Bebops ending's feet.