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#1576
Pride Demon

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ClockworkSpectre wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Something I just noticed...
In the scene with Jacob and Dr. Brynn at the end, they are apparently tending to a woman who looks suspiciously like Emily Wong! Or am I imagining things?


I was wondering who that was supposed to be, you could be correct.

I was also disapointed, but not surprised they went the slide show route, it is quick and easy in comparison.  There are still holes in the 'closure' they wanted to expand on.  Bioware's writing has really gone down hill.

I don't know, personally I don't find it disappointing. Besides, DAO and Baldur's Gate TOB had a slideshow ending and no one (or very few anyway) complained about them...

#1577
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<3 thats all i got to say, also got a little ;') there too

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Well... the EC turned out to be... just okay, I guess.

It fitted a hundred times better than the original ending, but it is still not a good ending. Had this come with the original game, 4 months ago, it would have been a decent ending, with closure, feelings and all. Now, after waiting for 4 months with all the controversy and after living how crappy the original endings were... I cannot be satisfied with this.

I appreciate the effort, and of course I applaud this came for free, but I refuse to believe after 200+ hours of the best game series I've ever played you couldn't do better than this, BioWare.

It was way more than I expected, though, and I'm quite happy all of this finally ended and Mass Effect has a proper closure now.

I guess this is it. I'm no longer enraged at how it ended, but I'm still sad. Congratulations on the whole saga and thank you for it, BioWare, but I seriously hope you learn from this. People like Casey Hudson and Mac Walters need to be a little bit more humble in the future.

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anyone in hear still unhappy that Shepard couldn't be reunited with squad and LI?

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

anyone in hear still unhappy that Shepard couldn't be reunited with squad and LI?


It´s implied they will.

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I love those little krogan babies. The little girl krogan was especially adorable. :)

Nerevar-as wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

anyone in hear still unhappy that Shepard couldn't be reunited with squad and LI?


It´s implied they will.


Yes, in the Destroy ending, at least that's what I gathered from it.

Modifié par PurebredCorn, 27 juin 2012 - 11:49 .


#1582
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Found the EC very enjoyable. Thank you Bioware! :)

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Okay. While I'm kinda in the middle I lean more toward happy than disappointed. And that's quite an achievement for Bioware as I absolutely detested the original endings and never wanted to play the games again.

What I thought they did well was address some of what the ending originally missed most, I think; the lack of closure, the abruptness, the wtf just happened?-ness of it all. When I originally finished I sat through the credits waiting for something else. I couldn't believe that was it. And it was. Not knowing what happened to characters we'd spent three games an dozens of hours caring about was absolutely criminal. And the EC deals with that in a way that while not perfect is good enough for me.

We get to see our love interest with the plaque to tie things in, if only a little, with our play through. And we get to see our old friends even if we don't see much. We know why Joker was fleeing and we see the squad on the garden planet and I can live with all that now. It's sketchy (why didn't Harbinger blow the Normandy out of the sky?!) but it was a huge problem before and now it's a minor quibble. I'll take that.

Actually seeing some consequences for the final decision made it actually seem like I'd achieved something, which was a feeling that was seriously missing from the original game. Even Synthesis (while still absolutely absurd) seems a bit better now as a choice thanks to a little more explanation and actually seeing some results. I still hate that a magical machine can suddenly make people start sprouting circuitry, but I'm not going to pick it, so I can live with it.

Of course, you gotta take the rough with the smooth, and the DLC didn't take care of some things. One problem I always had with the end of the game was what I felt was a complete 180 tonal shift the second Shepard gets hit by Harbinger's blast. Suddenly we start dealing with this shoehorned in faux-transhumanism, pseudo-intellectual bull**** that doesn't seem like it belongs with anything that came before.

It's still there, and I still think they'd have been far better off just sticking to what most people were expecting - a ruck with Harbinger and some big explosions.

Now I have nothing against trying to include some more elaborate themes into a story. But Mass Effect has been a blockbuster from day one. It's a big budget sci-fi extravaganza and to suddenly throw in themes and ideas that have never been featured at the eleventh hour is to betray your audience and your story. It's like including a tap dance routine at the end of Schindlers List. It's a baseball cap on a statue of Horatio Nelson. It just doesn't work.

That said, I am glad they included a chance to question the Catalyst a little more. The Catalyst is still an idea I don't like, but at least now we can get a little more information out of him before we pick a colour.

Another thing that still annoys me, and which the DLC completely fails to address, is why the Reapers are such dicks. We find out at the end the whole they're doing it to stop us eventually wiping ourselves out thing. Okay. I don't like it (more explanation surrounding the history and logic they used to come to the solution would make the brief explanation we get seem less absurd). But there is some decent stuff in their if one joins the dots themself.

But the issue is that the Reapers are doing this all to stop us accidentally making ourselves extinct. They're not doing this out of spite, or because they hate us, or because we ****ed their wives. They're doing it to save us. Us, as in organics. But yet everything about the way the act up until the third game demonstrates inherent evil, menace, and a general ambivalence towards organic life. Why? We know why - because the ending was probably dreamt up long into production. It was thought up at the last minute. But story-wise, it just doesn't tie in with things we've seen previously, which again goes back to that tonal shift during the endgame.

I also have to question the "artistic integrity" thing from Bioware, since they've retconned things from the original ending like the Relays being destroyed, and the Normandy suffering damage in the crash. They've changed those aspects to their arstic vision, but had to stick by everything else? Half-artistic integrity doesn't exist. You either have it or you don't. And so I was confused to see some retconning in there (although I'm not complaining, as the changes make a lot more sense).

So all in all there's still some holes in there and some gaps in logic. There's still some inconsistencies. And there's things that I think should be better explained. It's not a perfect ending for me. But it has addressed a lot of issues - mainly the anti-climatic nature of the original ending, and the lack of any evidence as to the implications of the final choice. For that I'm thankful.

As for the future? Well, I was never playing Mass Effect again before the DLC. Now? I've warmed to it. It's not the climax to the series I wanted or expected, but it's a hell of a lot better than it was. And hopefully some future DLC will shed light on some of the inconsistencies, and some of the things I'd like to learn more about.

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Nerevar-as wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

anyone in hear still unhappy that Shepard couldn't be reunited with squad and LI?


It´s implied they will.


So being implied is enough to satisfy you?

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soda_mousse wrote...

Ilzairspar wrote...

CptData wrote...

Easy.
They want YOU to make your own interpretation of the stuff you saw.

In my case: I didn't see the Geth dying. And even if their mobile platforms got destroyed, their clusters could be still intact.
And EDI? I said it before - Joker won't rest until he finds a way to reactivate her.


I'm with you...Why?  Because it's my headcannon darnnit.


Also, if they can rebuild the relays, why can't they rebuild EDI or at least the geth? EDI maybe not because of her reaper tech, but I can see the geth getting another go.


YES, we know that Geth are software not a hardware.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

anyone in hear still unhappy that Shepard couldn't be reunited with squad and LI?


It´s implied they will.


So being implied is enough to satisfy you?


My main reaction has been indifference. I really don´t care much one way or another anymore, although I find synthesis whitewashing rather repulsive.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 27 juin 2012 - 12:02 .


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I have to say that I loved the new endings. Everything from the beam run through the end is so much more bearable. Is it perfect? No. Is it emotional and a solid end? Absolutely. I am GLAD they didn't do a reunion with the crew in this game. I thought that would have killed the vibe of the game.

I played the three main endings (not reject) and enjoyed them all. They are all now unique!  I prefer Destroy.  I would like to think EDI is just software and while her synthetic form is destroyed, she still exists in a server, somewhere.   I had a high EMS (8000) so I would be interested to see the endings with low.

Few questions I have....how is the LI thing handled if you were with an ME2 LI? (Miranda, Jack, etc.)

Modifié par Hammer6767, 27 juin 2012 - 12:03 .


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After having played through EC, I truly feel like I was just given the finger. In the words of Cid, "Sit down and drink your GOD!@#^ED TEA!" This felt like a rushed patch to fix the "whoops!" holes that were painfully obvious.

I mean, I'm not wholly against what we were given. But the points I enjoyed feel like they should have been there in the first place.
-The pause given while people retreat and Shepard "comes to," and the report given to Hackett that people made it in.
-The fact we could actually converse with the Starbrat, and tell him to go shove something up its rear (or just shoot him, apparently).
-The montage of "life goes on."
-Your squad saying goodbye.
-The change in wording of the DLC splash page.

But really... that's about it. And even those points aren't without holes.
-The montage of "life goes on" suggests the Citadel, and supposedly the Relays, were repairable in a fairly short time. I believe they're still frames of intentions, but that doesn't feel implied at all

-The Normandy still crashed on another planet, however I didn't see the engines go up in flames. If they didn't, ok. If they did, Why'd Joker still crash (the bow of the ship was thrashed)? If they did blow up, how'd they repair them so quickly? If the rest of the fleet was supposed to meet near this hitherto random planet, why didn't anyone else rain down? I mean, it's not like there was an armada or anything.

-Why is my squad saying goodbye? Sure, the chances are slim and nil that Shepard survived, but I got the "breath scene." She ain't dead yet, and I'm sure that radio still works- it's been through worse!

-Explaining how your squad mates get back on the Normandy. Even if the Reapers continued firing randomly, with Empire-designed cannons, they would have hit the Normandy. Plus, I chose two people I thought were SURE to die- Kaiden and Javik. Shepard MAKES Javik leave the battle when he'd rather die fighting instead of committing suicide at his old friends' graves.

-Semi-explaining how Anderson ended up in the only tunnel only to explain it equally poorly.

-The "breath scene" still peeves me because it's just an open-ending. Sure, I can head-cannon it... but I never got to see "Liara Shepard" or their kids. I got to see everyone ELSE'S kids, but not Shepard and Liara's. Plus, "even you are partly synthetic" was stated... and I got the scene. 1) HOW am I "partly synthetic?" Is he counting the scar tissue repair? The Cerberus implants? 2)This suggests numerous outcomes for the Geth, EDI... oh yeah, and every single person with a cybernetic implant.

-The !@#%ing God!#$%ed stupid, worthless, POINTLESS, creepy-sounding "Stargazer" is STILL in it with that google-search stock image of "space winter."

Personally, I still believe in Indoctrination Theory. Not because "I want to" or that I "don't want to let go," but because it just makes so much more sense than what we've been given- both initially, and now in "Extended Cut"

#1589
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Fourth ending felt like "How dare you not appreciate our choices, you lose!"

If you got geth/quarian peace and EDI/Joker romance, you should have a persuade option to just get the brat to take his toys and leave. Instead he throws a temper tantrum for not accepting his flawed premise of inevitability.

#1590
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Hm, still not a fan of starkid and Co,

and Take-back-earth is still the weakest part of the game IMHO

but just talking about the last 10 or so minutes...

Yes, I think I can live with this.

I think Bioware adressed the worst problems, and at least for me, made the game replay-able again.

(still the game has problems at other points, but I dont think I "hate" the ending anymore)

#1591
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I did the destroy ending and got the N7 at the end. Yep that bit is still there. The only thing of note is they did not blow up the system relays just damage them. They are still not working and nothing on why they did not blow up just got damaged. After all they can with stand a supper nova blast.

Nothing added to the story of why the ending is like it is just eye candy and some we will rebuild mutterings. They half fix one big plot hole that only open up more questions that is it.

The Normandy goes for the relay last but get there before the fleet okay so the Normandy is a faster ship I can live with that.

The citadel is blow up but they do not find Sheppard.

The reject ending is the middle finger to use all.

It is still pick a door ending which was promised we would not get.

Total lack of add detail I say for me the EC failed big time.

#1592
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Well, played it with three characters and LI's... I am happy. They actually managed to pull it of. I will say that this is how it should have been from the start and maybe they were rushed to finish it but I am happy and found the ending good. Shepard lives in destroy and is probably reunited as we got to see the normandy take of. Control was actually my favorite and was exactly how I had pictured all these months ago when I originally chose it. But all endings were great and there was closure worthy of this epic saga. This has restored my hopes for Bioware as they actually understood that this was needed, they didn't change the ending (too much) or at least toned down some aspects so that it didn't seem to dim and told us what happened after. I can now hope for a Prequel (yes a prequel, I do NOT want a Mass Effect 4, that would ruin the entire saga as our choice would get a "Canon" version) and dust of my Mass Effect 1 disk and play it again with hope and joy like it should be. I thank the Bioware team for giving me and the rest of us this saga that I have loved and will continue to love for a long long time and hope that they continue making games that we and they will love to play!

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Starbrat's circular logic is more flawed than ever. This seems impossible but hey... Bioware could do it.

Starbrat: "We tried this synthesis-thing before... but we can't force synthesis to organics".
Shepard: "Cool. I'll force it to the Galaxy."

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It worked for me, but why on earth wasn't the EC in the original game!

I aways choose destroy, its the right choice over the 3 games and I liked that ending, Shep can now help Aria re-take Omega .

The Synthesis ending is pure fairy tale cartoon tripe, ponies in the sky and friendly dragons, it worries me this is Biowares preferred ending, as it doesnt leave a lot of room for DLC. But overall it helps make the games replayable :-)

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Just got an email telling me the EC was 'out now', then I find out online that it will not be available until the 4th of July for European PS3 owners :(.

I was going to try and avoid spoilers, but I might as well just watch the endings online now.

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First of all, *sigh*

I'm proud that Bioware has taken the time from making more money out of another failure just to give us the "extended cut" on ME3. Honestly, with a hint of sarcasm, but I'm really honest.
I have to say that the ending had so much potential and it really saddens me to realize that the fan base had more ideas and imagination that that "artistic vision" that Bioware has come up with.
Obviously, some of the plot holes were filled with lame cliches (comics art style slideshows, really, Bioware? what is this? a casual hidden object game?), but lots of other plot holes and nonsense are still there. So much potential... Wasted!
Don't get me wrong, I'm done, as much as it hurts, I won't bother anymore. Bioware gave us what we wanted and I thank them for that!
Thank you, Bioware!
Now it's our turn.

Modifié par sonicchaos, 27 juin 2012 - 12:36 .


#1597
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Shepard: Who built them?
Catalyst: Ugh.. you don't know them and I don't have time to explain you.
*sarcastic clap*

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Just finished the EC, and I have to agree with George Costanza above me. These endings weren't perfect, but they did a hell of a lot to save the franchise. The Catalyst god-child still feels contrived, there are still plotholes, and overall lacks the completion of the ME1 or ME2 ending.

Before, the endings were a sold 1/10. Now, with the EC, a 6.5/10, maybe even a 7. Before EC, I was confused and angry, but after EC, I am left with a neutral sigh. Not nearly what I had hoped for in the game that completes my favorite series of all time.

I hope, Bioware, you have learned the right lesson from all this. This series could have been put on the shelf as one of the best, if not the best RPG of all time. Now, its tarnished and left wanting for what could have been.

In any case, thank you for "completing" the endings and listening to your fans, no matter how much you didn't actually want to. It wasn't ideal by any means, but its still appreciated.

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wejx89 wrote...

 Shepard lives in destroy and is probably reunited as we got to see the normandy take of.


WHAT! so why did i still get the N7 armour taking a breath right at the end. Why do we not see Shepard on the normandy then? Did you see the bit with the remora plaque with Shepards name on it?

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Mass Effect = huge fail
This is what happens when you steal shamelessly the story from Star Control 3.
Go check it out yourself if you don't believe me :)