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[Chris Readman]

Just completed the game again, and I've got to say that the Extended Cut was... just what I expected it to be. Which is to say that it was better than the original ending, but it was not particularly good.

But let's start with the good. The ending scene with all of Shepard's squadmates gathering around was a thing a beauty. It's nothing new or groundbreaking, some might even say it's cliche, but it hits the right emotional notes for me.

Other than that though, I guess it was alright that they used a slideshow which helped show us some of the consequences of our actions. It's not particularly offensive, and it does it's job. I don't have any strong opinions on it though, bad or otherwise.

Onto the negatives, at certain points, the Extended Cut just felt like it was just there to pacify the complainers, and it did not do a very good job at it either. This is especially true with the starchild (freaking brat, I hate him so much), and any scenes involving Joker.

With Joker, it just appears to be a rough suturing and forced closure of plotholes. It was strange that Joker was shown to be running away, and that the squadmates that were with Shepard were suddenly on the Normandy. So to remedy this... they decided to... just show Joker being unwilling to run away, and the Normandy being brought to Earth (in front of the Reaper) to rescue my squadmates. Er... yeah...

People complained about not being able to question and defy the starkid, and now we're able to do it. The problem is that we were just given further explanations, of things we probably already understood. The choice to reject everything and to even get a new ending from that was nice, I've got to admit. But the result left me feeling ambivalent. It just made it feel like we were forced to take the three choices we were given before. It's almost as if the writers were saying "so you want to be creative and choose something we didn't give you before? Go ahead, but guess what? You lose!" It's actually not that bad of an ending, but only if it was included in the original ending. The implications that came with it just because it came in the Extended Cut were just too hard to ignore.

Before I blabber on more, I'll just say that some of the things in the new ending showed promise. But the truth is, that it was built on such a weak ending, that nothing great (or even good) could have come from it. They just had to contend with so much baggage and restriction. Good effort, but making an entirely new ending would have been much easier for them.

[Chief Commander]

Do I have to replay the Cerberus mission? Or is it OK to start at the Return mission to see everything?

[Namz89]

dbt-kenny wrote...

wejx89 wrote...

 Shepard lives in destroy and is probably reunited as we got to see the normandy take of.

WHAT! so why did i still get the N7 armour taking a breath right at the end. Why do we not see Shepard on the normandy then? Did you see the bit with the remora plaque with Shepards name on it?

The LI not putting the nameplate on the wall of the dead, and the Normandy taking off (to search for Shepard), aswell as the breathing scene all hint towards that. It is not actually shown.

[Namz89]

Chief Commander wrote...

Do I have to replay the Cerberus mission? Or is it OK to start at the Return mission to see everything?

The EC starts at the run to the beam. Everything before is still the same.

[Chief Commander]

Namz89 wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Do I have to replay the Cerberus mission? Or is it OK to start at the Return mission to see everything?

The EC starts at the run to the beam. Everything before is still the same.

Thanks. you saved me half an hour of my life

[Tokage]

Am I the only one that finds the Control-Ending scary? I mean my Renegade Shep is now the new "Borg-Queen" ... in the long run that can't end well ... muahahaha ...

Overall thanks for the EC it was necessary and it fixed at least some things. Why not like this form the start? I was hoping for a bit more especially since it took more time to download then to play.

What I really liked was the final goodbye with your LI (even if it was strange that the Normandy suddenly swooped down) and the picture of Thane in your last moments.

Well and shooting The Child ...

[Hobbes]

It was better....but still left me feeling a bit empty.
I still would have liked to have seen what became of my crew after the battle, yeah it was nice seeing that they actually survived and made it off the planet...but some more detail would have been awesome. I think though, if I had gotten this ending from the very start, I might have enjoyed it more....but the moment has passed I suppose.

*sigh*
But I suppose this is it, this is all we are getting, so we have to make of it what we will and move on. Personally I'm still disappointed, but it's all over now, so there is no point dwelling on it too much.

[Kylie Nightbreeze]

So glad it is not the Indoc Theory that was in my opinion a half baked idea. Glad to see that it was a plan to withdraw from the Crucible. So Joker wasn't a coward eh?

[Delaney]

Well ... I will make it short because so many people already stated what I want to say now: The EC made the ending better (I still refuse to call them endings ...), it made them more emotional, it filled a few plotholes, delivered closure concerning the different races, the crew of the normandy ... but in my opinion NOT concerning Shepard. Yes, there is a hint that Shepard will/could reunite with his LI ... But this breath scene ... I already said it in an other thread ... This scene raises more questions than it answers. Where is Shepard? He survived ... how? etc. Yes, there is "hope" ... But ... ME3 should have been the end of Shepard's story, right? BW said it: No more Shepard after that. Well ... Do you really think that this breath scene can be described as a good CONCLUSION to Shepard's story? I don't think so. Why not making the reunion more explicit? Because we wouldn't have "hope" then, but "certainty"? ... That's b******. There are many ways you can deliver both. I thought BW wanted to give us an END to Shepard's story not another ... well, cliffhanger? I thought the EC will also bring more clarity in Shepard's story ... Not just: Refusal: dead. Control: dead. (yes, he's controlling the reapers but do you really call this kind of ... äh ... situation ... life?) Synthesis: dead. (or just energy ... but that's not really different from being dead, hm?) Destroy: Somehow somewhere alive, alone or not alone, starved to death or found by his LI, or not found by his LI or ... I actually don't know for sure. I have to imagine. Yes ... That's why I played the whole ME series ... for imagination in the end. Cool ... Hm, not really.

Anyway! I want to thank BW for their effort to make this EC which made (as I said) a lot of things better ... not like how it SHOULD be for such a great series like ME but ... Okay. I am still a bit dissappointed (for reasons I've already mentioned). You BW said that we will get a reunion or a reunion will be possible ... Why not showing it to us? You said you can't make everybody happy. My answer to this: No. You can. I am pretty sure that with an explicit LI reunion you would have reached this goal.
But ... That's it, I suppose.

[Baldrick67]

I can appreciate all the effort they put into the EC,

But....

Shepard still does what the reapers want in the end.

The scene where he limps behind the catalyst like a beaten dog sums it all up.

I choose the destroy ending again. How after walking through the charnel house of the Citadel could you not want to uterly destroy the reapers.

They even kept the breath scene in that caused so much agnst instead of them finding shepard and reuniting with the LI.

Also Joker didn't seem to be upset that EDI was dead and killing of all the geth who proved the Starchild was wrong was just a up yours again.

[N7Kopper]

TullyAckland wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Vikali wrote...

bas_kon wrote...

Sorry if it was asked before but I think I read something about the realys not being destroyed. Are the relays actually destroyed in destroy ending with high EMS?

Relays are not destroyed. Normandy is not stranded. Lots of retconning.

Yeah...so?

Considering how many people wanted a completely different ending that avoided both of those outcomes and more, I would think that a couple of retcons wouldn't be something viewed as a negative thing.

Bioware could have caved to "every" single demand people made about the ending and there would still be tons of ****posting for the next week or so.
Its just the nature of BSN and bioware fans in general, people expect a customized ending just the way they want it, and get pissy when the end doesn't match their fantasys.

We try to listen to all feedback we receive, but sometimes we receive conflicting feedback, or very specific requests that can’t all be implemented. Ultimately our job is to interpret the feedback and design something that addresses the bulk of the feedback while maintaining its own sense of design and integrity.

I agree with Tully here.
Although a lot of things were retconned, that's BioWare's right. They can fix the stuff that makes no sense whatsoever, and fix some bugs while they're at it: Take Destroy for example

In the on-disc ending, EDI can survive due to a glitch (?) In the EC, she can not.
On the disc, the Citadel and Relays are wrecked. EC? Damaged.
On the disc, Shepard has no opportunity to quiz the Catalyst. He does in the EC.
On the disc, Harbinger hits (or even misses, it's possible to dodge the blast!) Shepard in-gameplay. In the EC, Joker deploys his special ability - Portable Plot Armour - to evacuate the squad before Shepard is hit in the cinematic.
They added a new ending. One where you can die horribly - although slightly less horribly than if your EMS doesn't even break triple figures.

No word on the Tali romance bug - that one that nobody who 'mances Tali would rightfully have the guts to test, but since that's not ending-related, I'm assuming (direct Control Synthesis Refuse Destroy) it's still there.

And that's why "lots of speculation for everyone" is a good thing when done right. It lets you personalise. Roleplay.

[Don't care about the current discussion, just wanted to say this]

Modifié par N7Kopper, 27 juin 2012 - 12:53 .

[dbt-kenny]

Namz89 wrote...

dbt-kenny wrote...

wejx89 wrote...

 Shepard lives in destroy and is probably reunited as we got to see the normandy take of.

WHAT! so why did i still get the N7 armour taking a breath right at the end. Why do we not see Shepard on the normandy then? Did you see the bit with the remora plaque with Shepards name on it?

The LI not putting the nameplate on the wall of the dead, and the Normandy taking off (to search for Shepard), aswell as the breathing scene all hint towards that. It is not actually shown.

it just more guess work that we do not want. fact is what we need.

[Heimdal]

I dont get why there are som many people here who have completely changed their opinion about the endings after the EC. Are you really that gullible? We still have the exact samt endings for crying out loud!! Just with added cutscenes. The writers still missed the mark completely and didn't realise that "space-magic"/mind-rape/genocide isn't considered a good ending. Two months ago you understood that but now - a few flashy cutscenes later - so many people here are like "LOVE the new endings. I laughed, I cried, my faith in BW is completely restored." W.T.F! Either you work for BW or you don't know ANY-thing about good storytelling.

[AchesOfDoom]

We are aware of the plotholes Heimdal, but the EC just washed some of our pre-anger.

[Namz89]

dbt-kenny wrote...

Namz89 wrote...

dbt-kenny wrote...

wejx89 wrote...

 Shepard lives in destroy and is probably reunited as we got to see the normandy take of.

WHAT! so why did i still get the N7 armour taking a breath right at the end. Why do we not see Shepard on the normandy then? Did you see the bit with the remora plaque with Shepards name on it?

The LI not putting the nameplate on the wall of the dead, and the Normandy taking off (to search for Shepard), aswell as the breathing scene all hint towards that. It is not actually shown.

it just more guess work that we do not want. fact is what we need.

http://social.biowar...8992/2#12800724 

I think that post answers your question

Modifié par Namz89, 27 juin 2012 - 01:17 .

[KLGChaos]

Still doesn't leave me feeling like a hero at the end. Sorry, there's nothing heroic about a) giving someone the finger and dooming your race, committing genocide of synthetics to save yours, c) forcing an evolutionary change on everyone, or d) becoming a god who controls everything.

If EDI and the Geth were willing to sacrifice themselves so others could live, that would be heroic. If the galaxy at large was willing to accept synthesis, that would be acceptable. However, Shep has to decide for them. In the end, I wasn't a hero... Instead, I felt like a failure because I couldn't even live up to my ideals and live.

So tired of companies forcing bittersweet endings onto people because they think happy endings are cliche. Honestly, they're all cliche. Tragedy has been around just as long as happy endings are. I don't get why people are so against them... the option should at least be there.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 27 juin 2012 - 01:25 .

[AchesOfDoom]

Delaney wrote...

Well ... I will make it short because so many people already stated what I want to say now: The EC made the ending better (I still refuse to call them endings ...), it made them more emotional, it filled a few plotholes, delivered closure concerning the different races, the crew of the normandy ... but in my opinion NOT concerning Shepard. Yes, there is a hint that Shepard will/could reunite with his LI ... But this breath scene ... I already said it in an other thread ... This scene raises more questions than it answers. Where is Shepard? He survived ... how? etc. Yes, there is "hope" ... But ... ME3 should have been the end of Shepard's story, right? BW said it: No more Shepard after that. Well ... Do you really think that this breath scene can be described as a good CONCLUSION to Shepard's story? I don't think so. Why not making the reunion more explicit? Because we wouldn't have "hope" then, but "certainty"? ... That's b******. There are many ways you can deliver both. I thought BW wanted to give us an END to Shepard's story not another ... well, cliffhanger? I thought the EC will also bring more clarity in Shepard's story ... Not just: Refusal: dead. Control: dead. (yes, he's controlling the reapers but do you really call this kind of ... äh ... situation ... life?) Synthesis: dead. (or just energy ... but that's not really different from being dead, hm?) Destroy: Somehow somewhere alive, alone or not alone, starved to death or found by his LI, or not found by his LI or ... I actually don't know for sure. I have to imagine. Yes ... That's why I played the whole ME series ... for imagination in the end. Cool ... Hm, not really.

Anyway! I want to thank BW for their effort to make this EC which made (as I said) a lot of things better ... not like how it SHOULD be for such a great series like ME but ... Okay. I am still a bit dissappointed (for reasons I've already mentioned). You BW said that we will get a reunion or a reunion will be possible ... Why not showing it to us? You said you can't make everybody happy. My answer to this: No. You can. I am pretty sure that with an explicit LI reunion you would have reached this goal.
But ... That's it, I suppose.

Pure truth.
+1

[Stormghost]

OK, I've watched the new endings online now, and I want to share my thoughts. Firstly, this EC is not what I expected it to be - I presumed the bulk of the new content would be in the conversation with Ghost-Child and provide a more in-depth explanation of the consequences of our choice. Instead, the EC was more of an extention of the cinematics played after we make our choice, which for me just makes the endings what they should have been in the first place, if proper time was spent on them when they were being made.

The inclusion of a refusal ending was a wise choice, I think, and the resulting cinematic with Liara was what I'd assumed the 'bad' ending of the ME series would be, if the endings had been traditional good/bad variations, rather than the RGB variety we got. Talking of RGB, I still think the extended cinematics were pretty similar, aside from colour differences (and shiny patches of skin for the synthesis ending, of course). The choice of a slideshow at the end was a bit cheap, but better than nothing, I suppose.

Overall, the EC was different from what I expected, but perhaps actually better. I still don't particularly 'like' the endings, but at least they make a lot more sense now. It also puts an end to the Indoctrination Theory (I assume), with the cinematic evidence of our choices in action, so that gives us a bit of closure.

In terms of choice of the endings, in my playthrough I intended to reluctantly choose the destroy ending, but accidentally went the wrong way and chose control. After seeing the EC endings, I'm glad I went with control. Destroy provides the only real victory, but it's a hollow one when you're forced to betray the very peace between organics and synthetics that you were fighting for. So, for me, destroy looks like the worst ending.

[jli84]

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

Fourth ending felt like "How dare you not appreciate our choices, you lose!"

If you got geth/quarian peace and EDI/Joker romance, you should have a persuade option to just get the brat to take his toys and leave. Instead he throws a temper tantrum for not accepting his flawed premise of inevitability.

Seeing as the entire game is built up around the goal of finishing the crucible and use it against the reapers, my opinion is that you should lose if you refuse to do so. Otherwise the whole plot would make no sense.

Im not a big fan of the crucible to begin with (oh no, we cant defeat them...wait a sec, whats that? blueprints for a superweapon just laying on the table! WOHO!!), but thats what we've got.

Anyways: Found the EC to be a wast improvement on the original endings. Far from perfect, but choosing destroy (only valid option for my shep) it felt like I) finally got an actuall ending to sheps story...not just up in the air mumbo jumbo.

Would have liked a reunion scene with femshep and liara (BW make some dlc and take my monitos), but I'll get by as is. 

[Jadebaby]

AchesOfDoom wrote...

Delaney wrote...

Well ... I will make it short because so many people already stated what I want to say now: The EC made the ending better (I still refuse to call them endings ...), it made them more emotional, it filled a few plotholes, delivered closure concerning the different races, the crew of the normandy ... but in my opinion NOT concerning Shepard. Yes, there is a hint that Shepard will/could reunite with his LI ... But this breath scene ... I already said it in an other thread ... This scene raises more questions than it answers. Where is Shepard? He survived ... how? etc. Yes, there is "hope" ... But ... ME3 should have been the end of Shepard's story, right? BW said it: No more Shepard after that. Well ... Do you really think that this breath scene can be described as a good CONCLUSION to Shepard's story? I don't think so. Why not making the reunion more explicit? Because we wouldn't have "hope" then, but "certainty"? ... That's b******. There are many ways you can deliver both. I thought BW wanted to give us an END to Shepard's story not another ... well, cliffhanger? I thought the EC will also bring more clarity in Shepard's story ... Not just: Refusal: dead. Control: dead. (yes, he's controlling the reapers but do you really call this kind of ... äh ... situation ... life?) Synthesis: dead. (or just energy ... but that's not really different from being dead, hm?) Destroy: Somehow somewhere alive, alone or not alone, starved to death or found by his LI, or not found by his LI or ... I actually don't know for sure. I have to imagine. Yes ... That's why I played the whole ME series ... for imagination in the end. Cool ... Hm, not really.

Anyway! I want to thank BW for their effort to make this EC which made (as I said) a lot of things better ... not like how it SHOULD be for such a great series like ME but ... Okay. I am still a bit dissappointed (for reasons I've already mentioned). You BW said that we will get a reunion or a reunion will be possible ... Why not showing it to us? You said you can't make everybody happy. My answer to this: No. You can. I am pretty sure that with an explicit LI reunion you would have reached this goal.
But ... That's it, I suppose.

Pure truth.
+1

It's not often I read well thought out posts, this is one of the few I'm glad I read. Exactly how I feel, I can't let go on a 20 second breath scene.

[gurg13]

I liked it. It was a tad melodramatic in parts, but didn't leave me with the WTF feeling of the first ending. Thanks Bioware.

[bonzrobby]

I did not like the original endings at all. They made no sense in the context of the game and felt rushed or out of place.
I felt that EC did a good job with the ending scenes. Even though I think some additional content could have been added. But all in all I like the EC ending versus the original endings.

[Ben20530]

Have only managed to read about twenty pages of this thread, but to add my two pence...
I went into the EC always going to go with my original choice - destroy. What I wanted from the EC was a better sense of satisfaction and to know more about the fate of my squad. But......
On that first walk toward the tubes I turned round and put a round between the kids eyes, for no other reason than the walk to the tubes was taking too long!! Laughed out loud - "SO BE IT!" But didn't mind the ending, the implied victory in the next cycle was a quick and painless easter egg in my view.
A reload and replay back to the same point and there I am walking toward exploding things again...
I appreciated the crew scene where your squadmates are airlifted after being injured BTW as this irritated me in the original cut.
The destroy ending was almost complete for me - I actually enjoyed it. Memorial scene was spot on, coupled with the breath scene that was more than enough for me to imply the reunion. I'd kill for an extra ten seconds though. Something showing the LI looking out over a rebuilding scene on their homeworld and Shepards voice coming from behind them, a simple "Hello Ash..." would have done!

I had no major issues with the themes or plot holes in the original, I have no interest in dissecting a videogame. I just wanted to feel some sense of satisfaction, victory & hope for the future. The EC gave that to me. For that Bioware, thank you.

I'll put ME back on the shelf, come back to it one day. So long Shepherd.......

[umadcommander]

Delaney wrote...

Well ... I will make it short because so many people already stated what I want to say now: The EC made the ending better (I still refuse to call them endings ...), it made them more emotional, it filled a few plotholes, delivered closure concerning the different races, the crew of the normandy ... but in my opinion NOT concerning Shepard. Yes, there is a hint that Shepard will/could reunite with his LI ... But this breath scene ... I already said it in an other thread ... This scene raises more questions than it answers. Where is Shepard? He survived ... how? etc. Yes, there is "hope" ... But ... ME3 should have been the end of Shepard's story, right? BW said it: No more Shepard after that. Well ... Do you really think that this breath scene can be described as a good CONCLUSION to Shepard's story? I don't think so. Why not making the reunion more explicit? Because we wouldn't have "hope" then, but "certainty"? ... That's b******. There are many ways you can deliver both. I thought BW wanted to give us an END to Shepard's story not another ... well, cliffhanger? I thought the EC will also bring more clarity in Shepard's story ... Not just: Refusal: dead. Control: dead. (yes, he's controlling the reapers but do you really call this kind of ... äh ... situation ... life?) Synthesis: dead. (or just energy ... but that's not really different from being dead, hm?) Destroy: Somehow somewhere alive, alone or not alone, starved to death or found by his LI, or not found by his LI or ... I actually don't know for sure. I have to imagine. Yes ... That's why I played the whole ME series ... for imagination in the end. Cool ... Hm, not really.

Anyway! I want to thank BW for their effort to make this EC which made (as I said) a lot of things better ... not like how it SHOULD be for such a great series like ME but ... Okay. I am still a bit dissappointed (for reasons I've already mentioned). You BW said that we will get a reunion or a reunion will be possible ... Why not showing it to us? You said you can't make everybody happy. My answer to this: No. You can. I am pretty sure that with an explicit LI reunion you would have reached this goal.
But ... That's it, I suppose.

ive been wondering how to sum up how i felt at the end of the EC and this nails it

[AmstradHero]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

There was always going to be some that will say they hate it and these fall into 2 categories, ones who just seen vids and not played it, ones who played it and as it didn't show something they wanted in the ending they class it as hating it.

Another viewpoint is that 'haters gonna hate', Bioware fully well knew that there would be such people. Can never please everyone, trying to do so will just end in failure.

Wrong and blatantly dismissive of all the reasoned criticism that has been levelled at the ending thus far. All those people who had valid logical, lore-based, writing structure, and thematic concerns with the ending have been given nothing by the EC.

Those who approached the ending with the simplistic mindset of "it didn't tell me everything" have been assuaged, and it seems a sad indictment on the intelligence of a large proportion of Mass Effect's fanbase that many appear to fall into this category. Blatant retconning in a vague and handwaving attempts to dispel the most trivial of complaints are little more than bandaids on the gaping wounds that leak through the blatant incoherencies of the ending.

DariusST wrote...
I personally dont understand why ppl are still hating on the endings.

Because the endings are still "beg the question", flagrant lore errors still exist, copious handwaving and complete thematic inconsistence. I had hoped that the EC might redeem the ending, but all the EC has done is sacrifice the supposed "artistic integrity" BioWare so dearly claimed meant they could not change the endings, even though they did exactly that through egregious retconning.

It is a gross disappointment. I had hoped it would not be, but the ugly truth is that it's every bit as bad as the original ending.