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[Victia]

If this content had been on the disc I would never have been as upset with the endings as I was, however for the ec it feels lazy, and didn't really answer any questions.

[shadowkinz]

-Isn't our cycle past the point of synthetic rebellion? Why would they need to stop our cycle due to a feared synthetic uprising when we just made peace with the geth? Why need to make new life to grow if we won't be doomed to the same synthetic/organic war fate?

-Godchild says that much of our relied on tech will be destroyed, but can be rebuilt, as seen in destroy ending. Does this mean that EDI and the Geth can be reactivated? seeing as how their "being" is just software, and not the hardware they inhabit. Is it possible they can be brought back seeing as how SHEPARD IS ALIVE in that ending?

[Baldsake]

BuRnInICE wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

Bioware, you absolutely suck. First we had 3 **** choices now we have 4. Oh and each ending comes with a little bit of extra crap just to make us all happy. Nah. Thanks for giving us the breathing scene and still not explaining it.
mind=blown.

They're not going to explain future content to you

THAT you have to wait for. It's like waiting for the next series of Game of Thrones.... Hurry up already!

What future content? BW has stated that this is the end, they're not going to add to this ending. Future DLC will probably be some gay shiit where you gotta take out some random bad guy with some new teammate or whatever... BW made 2 great games with 2 great storylines, then made the 3rd game so incredibly corny, hilarious (unintended) and gave it the worst ending I've played in years... I mean it's so bad it's almost like they did it on purpose. Oh wait, they did. Artistic Integrity? LMAO. What a joke BW has become, maybe it's because of EA but their 2 last games were supposed to be GOTY titles and instead they are Garbage of the Year titles. DA3 will most likely suck too. I blame the stupid ass 1.5-2 year development period every game studio seems to use these days. Seriously, these games need atleast 3-5 years to live up to the expectations. Only major game company who does that these days is Bethesda, and their games always deliver.Why? Because it's not rushed like all these recent BW games. Anyway, it's whatever. I didn't even know the EC was out til like 40 mins ago (watched them on YT). Haven't played ME3 in months, probably never playing it again. How anyone can be happy with these endings is beyond me though.

[Xavier Hawk]

Well extended cut definitely improved things but still left some issues behind. For me the destroy ending doesn't seem right given the crew putting my name on the memorial wall followed up by the cut scene of Shepherd breathing, seemed a bit off. Also I was kinda of hoping for the wall of text like Dragon Age where you got bits of info about characters and places. Go to say though for 1.9 gigs it did seem a bit on the short side.

As I said though it is an improvement and had it shipped as part of the original I think they would have side stepped most of this crisis and the massive fan backlash. In basic terms the ending has gone from a rating of 'just been kicked in the crotch' to 'not too bad but i still wanna know what happened to each of my crew'. Hopefully of course lessons have been learned and can be passed on to Dragon Age 3 and wherever they go next with Mass Effect. I will be interested if cautious though to see what becomes of Mass Effect 4.

[NM_Che56]

Master Che wrote...

I'm sorry if this was discussed somewhere in painstaking detail, oh great BSN Shaparete, but I have a few general questions:

1) Do the Synthesis and Destroy endings play out any differently based on Paragon/Renegade alignment?

2) Do you see a difference in the cinematics if you promoted characters from MP or played Infiltrator?

Help?

[Samzo77]

The EC didn't explain anything I couldn't have, or hadn't already, assumed myself. I didn't download it, I just watched the videos, so now I'm not sure if I'm going to rush to see it personally.

I did appreciate the monologues being from four different perspectives, and the scene where the remaining crew puts your name on the wall of KIA crew members is very touching.

I also love the fourth choice. It basically let's everyone know that there were only three real ways to stop the cycle. Ignoring those options in front of you results in the destruction of civilization, all because Shepard wouldnt do what needed to be done for the sake of doing it his way.

I loved the game as it was, and the EC adds some cool new cutscenes, so thanks BW for doing that. But I really don't see it as necessary to enhance my experience.

[Little Princess Peach]

I was wondering why we could not see a small reunion at the end even if it was just a we slide show
The breath scene felt out of place for me because the slide epi's seemed as though time moved forward, seeing shepard breathing make me question the time line

[Omeganian]

Orkfaeller wrote...



someone saw it coming^^

I remembered that one during the ending.

[Asari]

WARR OF TEXT!  



To make it clear, I had the highest possible EMS. Will try to keep this short because its really late.

So the scene with normandy picking up the crewmembers on earth, it should have been added as you made the game but I guess it's okay really. only seen it ones and I watched it with Javik and Garrus.. Garrus didn't even say anything as normand picked him up but Javik really wanted to reach the beam no matter what, didn't even matter if he died. (Like he says, hes gonna die either way) Anyway.."get him to the medbay!" with all that scrappy armor hes wearing..and even with that at the "normandy crash site" he steps out of the ship all recovered and new shining armor! I mean what the... but yeah I buy it I guess. 


Alright so the chat with the infamous star child. The new epilogues gave some clarification, it felt more like MEish now, to actually knows what will happen. also made me realize that the crucible was not complete.

The only thing I dont like with more epilogues is that it doesn't feel right. I mean at first it feels like Shepard is gonna pass out any second and then he can just stand there and just process all that information which is given by starbrat. It feels mentally and physically impossible.. but yeah I buy it I guess. 

The "new" ending, which is the Reject ending. Shepard rejects the three choices that were given..the ending were actually kinda short after that.. "SOBEITcyclecontinueseverybodydies" a nice cutscene is added of course and I were at peace with that. But yeah I buy it I guess.
The only way I could have seen it satisfy more of the players is that if Shepard was not hurt at all and he rejects the three choices, a bossfight there might have changed a lot. I mean, Shepard could have survived and the united forces could've overcome the reaper forces- heavy losses though but still. As for everyone that still want Shepard to survive, don't forget that he takes a breath in the destroy ending.
In any case, I think the reject ending is fine as it is..the new "stargazer scene" after the credits were actually pretty nice as well. Me gusta!!



And of course the Control ending. Which was originally my least favourite one. But damn Bioware, it chocked me..I really am at peace with this ending. It might as well be the best one out there! I loved how Shepard spoke with that reapery-voice.. and the part about the ones sacrificing themselves just that others could live, loved it!
In my quick opinion that ending was breathtaking..and I used to hate it.. 


The Destroy ending! Which was my original favourite.. It kinda felt the same as before, although I loved how Liara (or the LI?) held that sign and then, that pretty little smile on her face! Like she just knows he is still alive. It was brilliant. And Hacketts speech as well, gave me chills! 
The only thing I dont like about it is EDI dying, I mean..they outrun the blast dont they? It just feels wrong, I mean why would they outrun the blast..why is the ship intact if EDI died.. I don't even... *loadsofquestionmarks* But yeah I buy it I guess. 



As for the Synthesis ending. The ideal ending. The thing I noticed first about this ending was that none of the organics/preorganics was happy about winning the war, which was in fact a good detail to add..but still the entire ending felt so depressing. 
Yay megacheer for EDI and Joker but for some reason everyone feels like robots. "we will advance and evolve and become even greater" ...to me that feels kinda cerberusish only not just in humanitys favor but for all. 




Pre EC I hated the ending, but after this I'm actually at peace with the ending(s). Although I have ALWAYS wished for a happy ending with LI n' shiiieee. 

[Little Princess Peach]

shadowkinz wrote...


-Isn't our cycle past the point of synthetic rebellion? Why would they need to stop our cycle due to a feared synthetic uprising when we just made peace with the geth? Why need to make new life to grow if we won't be doomed to the same synthetic/organic war fate?

-Godchild says that much of our relied on tech will be destroyed, but can be rebuilt, as seen in destroy ending. Does this mean that EDI and the Geth can be reactivated? seeing as how their "being" is just software, and not the hardware they inhabit. Is it possible they can be brought back seeing as how SHEPARD IS ALIVE in that ending?

EDI is still in the Normandy's systems she says so her self when we see her in the Doctors body shes half in the body half in the ship so maybe they will find a way to convert the rest of EDI n  a diffrent body or Joker will just have to date his ship

[Bl0dbathNBeyond]

 I really liked the EC. It doesn't fix everything that I found wrong or dissatisfying with the original end, nor is it perfect, but I've never, ever found a game narrative that was. Which leads me to conclude I need to make my own game. 

While I was one who was fine with a lot of the post-war stuff being open-ended, I feel like Bioware hit a "sweet spot" for my personal tastes explaining just how un****ed the galaxy was without giving me some lengthy, ponderous exposition.

There's only one thing that I really wanted that I didn't get. One thing - a character-based slideshow like we got at the end of Throne of Bhaal, Hordes of the Underdark, or Dragon Age: Origins. If it's the end of an actual story arc it's just a more satisfying way to say goodbye to characters you've been travelling with for 5+ years.

But y'know what? I can imagine what happened. That's good enough. I got what felt like a polished ending and I feel like Bioware delivered. 

I think this is something people in the industry will remember, and a reminder - a game is not a finished product in a sealed package anymore. It's software - a supported product. Here's to more solid content down the road.

[RussianSpy27]

TullyAckland wrote...

• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

Why does what he wakes up in what seems like London rubble as opposed to the Citadel?

Modifié par RussianSpy27, 27 juin 2012 - 04:57 .

[kmmd60]

just finished EC, it's definitely much more clearer than the original. I like the dialgue wheel when I confronted the catalyst. i only did the control/synthesis/reject ending since destroy is pretty much the same as pre-EC. The farewell scene is quite bitter sweet - my preference.

So the catalyst is an AI that really got somthing wrong in his curcuit. He was built to bridge the organic/synthetic relation and ended up "forced" his creator into reaper form.

- I'm really dislike the control ending - So my Shep turned into an AI god emperor. There's no guarantee that he won't got fed up with organic/synthetic and decided to begin the cycle again. It's horrifying.

- Synthetic: Shepard decided to force the change upon entire galaxy. Fundamentally fused synthetic and organic together. It's tough choice and many players probably refuse this ending. However, I prefer this ending (well, after EC confirmed that I'm not Saren reborn). Utopian vision is a little too creepy for me. (I want my Krogan eye PINK BW, green I dislike)

Synthesis means harmony - it's a main theme of mass effect trilogy. Coexist between races for the better future. Synthetic is now as much living creatuer as any others, there's no reason to deny them their future. Synthesis ending doesn't mean that you all turned into husk/maruader/cannibal. You are still "you", even if your DNA is changed.

- Reject: I'm pretty surprise since I discover this by accident. Shepard simply do not bow to catalyst choices and decide to fight even if it's mean death of sn entire cycle. Heroic, but rather foolish in my point of view since the cost is damn high. Still, it's a good option for an ending.

Overall - It's quite a thrill with EC. BW certainly tried to deliver the best they could possibly do in the 3 months timeframe. Salute to BW team.

[Poizun85]

The biggest problem I had with this ending was how the Reapers were so cheapened at the end. They were so mysterious and Sovreigns "you will end because we demand it" made me HAVE to know why. I then find out they are saving me from synthetics, but are killing all of us to do it... uh WHAT?

So there was no salvation for Bioware in that regards, BUT I think EC definitely helped with the current turd, and if was already on disk I would have been left with a better taste in my mouth.

[bahamutomega]

Asari wrote...

As for the Synthesis ending. The ideal ending. The thing I noticed first about this ending was that none of the organics/preorganics was happy about winning the war, which was in fact a good detail to add..but still the entire ending felt so depressing. 
Yay megacheer for EDI and Joker but for some reason everyone feels like robots. "we will advance and evolve and become even greater" ...to me that feels kinda cerberusish only not just in humanitys favor but for all. 

uh...  didn't starchild state that the synthesis was it for evolution?

ya know...  aside from the whole Cosmic Imperative thing... yeah...  synthesis still seems like a very socialist / dictatorist / i'm-in-charge-do-things-the-way-i-say-to-do-them choice.

as for the "SO BE IT" line...  did anyone else notice some Sovereign / Harbinger-i'm-really-pissed-off notes there?

[Wowky]

I personally think the EC fixed enough of the major "um...what?" aspects of the original endings that I'm satisfied by it. I chose Destroy (and always will), and think that it played out nicely - seeing Krogans rebuilding etc was great. The artwork in the epilogue was stunning.

I went back and tried the "reject" option, and I loved it, though I do kinda wish that had paved the way for some kind of conventional victory if your EMS was high enough - it felt like when the AI kid said "so be it" then you were about to see if you had amassed enough support to **** them Reapers up. But I liked what did actually happen (Liara's time capsule helps with the next cycle's victory, and it gave you a feeling of sticking to your guns and not giving in to the AI kid).

I guess the only thing that still is kinda disappointing is that you don't get the reunion with the LI (even if it was just them finding Shepard as he's dying in the Destroy ending - that "breath" scene could have just been him breathing that last time and dying with the LI next to him), and it's only if the LI was one of the squadmates from the Normandy that you saw them being unwilling to actually put the name on the memorial (my Shepard romanced Jack and not even seeing how she reacted to the news of his "death" while Ashley held back tears was a bit of a shame).

Overall though, I think it was great. I'd happily go back and play the series again with the EC added into it.

[Omeganian]

-Godchild says that much of our relied on tech will be destroyed, but can be rebuilt, as seen in destroy ending. Does this mean that EDI and the Geth can be reactivated? seeing as how their "being" is just software, and not the hardware they inhabit. Is it possible they can be brought back seeing as how SHEPARD IS ALIVE in that ending?

Geth are true software, so it might be possible. But I am not sure about EDI - the Codex states true quantum AI cannot be transmitted, they are tied to their blue box.

[Spirit Keeper]

I would like to see a reunion with the LI

[shadowkinz]

food for thought, if shepard can come back to life with his memories and personality intact, i don't see why the same can't be done for edi and the geth..

think... remember when legion showed shepard the model of the geth intelligence/consciousness with the reaper code? It was a brain at that point pretty much.. also the geth ARE software mainly, and i doubt the destroy pulse would kill the software, just the hardware.

[Bl0dbathNBeyond]

Orkfaeller wrote...



someone saw it coming^^

This post wins the thread, the forum, the series, and possibly the internet. Speaking of cocktails with umbrellas, my friend and I were making a joke when the game first came out that the most awesome possible ending would be a golf course with surviving (aged, with the exception of Liara of course) squadmates from all three games drinking cocktails and bull****ting about the "good old days."


Complete with Wrex and about eight thousand Krogan grandkids and an over-the-hill, slowed-down Garrus flipping a Golf Mako into a sandtrap.

[Omeganian]

shadowkinz wrote...

food for thought, if shepard can come back to life with his memories and personality intact, i don't see why the same can't be done for edi and the geth..

Well, the galaxy isn't exactly in a condition to scrape together four billion+ of donations.

[Wowky]

Actually, one other thing I thought was done much better was the conversation with the Catalyst. It had just enough detail regarding its (twisted) logic, its origins etc - it felt more like when I made my decision to "destroy", it was not just because I wanted my Shepard to live out his goal, it was also because I thought logic the Reapers should be destroyed simply for thinking they have the right to make decisions about others' future (i.e., give them a taste of their own medicine)

[Regan Cousland]

The Reapers are synthetics that murder organics to prevent other, hypothetical, man-made synthetics murdering organics. This circular logic is the biggest flaw in the plot as it still stands.

I understand that the Reapers leave lesser organisms alive to rebuild, and that in theory the man-made synthetics would exradicate organics enitrely, but the Reapers' "solution" is still nonsensical. Wouldn't it be better for the Reapers to arrive every one hundred thousand years, wipe out all dangerous war-mongering Synthetics, and then give the organics a nice long lecture about the dangers of meddling with technology before returning to dark space? That way nobody dies, the organics in all likelyhood begin to worship the benevolent Reapers who saved them from themselves, and civilizations continue to grow and evolve.

That's the biggest flaw in the logic of the plot as it still stands, and nobody's going to change it now ...

But, on the whole, I was satisifed with the Extended Cut DLC. It provides some much-needed closure for the characters and doesn't doom the galactic community to a new Stone Age, as the orgnical endings implied. Now Shepard's sacrifice means something, as the other races are able to rebuild the relays and restore old ties.

Modifié par Regan Cousland, 27 juin 2012 - 05:59 .

[Wulfram]

Wowky wrote...

Actually, one other thing I thought was done much better was the conversation with the Catalyst. It had just enough detail regarding its (twisted) logic, its origins etc

Mostly I agree.

Only things I didn't like was the lack of ability to say "Wait, will doing this kill the Geth?" and the silly Synthesis stuff which can't really be fixed without removing that ending entirely.

[DeadlyDodo]

 I'm sorry for this seeming unforgiving and perhaps ****-ish but here it is the way I see it. Bioware had one chance to pull this off, just one, that was to use the 'indoctrination theory' for this extended cut ending, they wouldn't  have had to change the old 'endings' because it all falls into the 'indoctrinated dream'.

The work was even done for them, the most dedicated fans worked it all out beautifully and it seemed almost intended, it was beautiful and clever and amazing. Even if it wasn't the original plan, Bioware could have claimed it was, everyone would have bought it or, if they didn't, they wouldn't have cared because the new ending WOULD MAKE SENSE and would have a little bit of extra gameplay or lead into a great post-old-ending DLC and so would have made financial sense also, it would be the 'New Coke' trick all over again where Coke upset everyone with a new recipe and then brought back old Coke and everyone was so happy that sales of Coke 'classic' sky-rocketted to way beyond what they were previously.

This is what would have happened if the EC had basically given away that it was an indoctrinated dream and then Bioware had released post-ending DLC. Not kidding, I know at least 3 people personally who never bought or played ME3 because they read about the ending (they held off at first to wait for DLC, neither of the other ME games have been truly complete untill all DLC was released) basically, not only would the sales of the DLC be HUGE and cause a 'New Coke' phenomenon but all the people who didn't buy ME3 because they heard about the ending being a pile of crap would buy it.

So here is the big question, who at Bioware or EA is too stupid and stuck up their own asses to have been able to see this and just 'do the right thing' for all concerned? I mean, the money that you guys could have made is phenomenal, isn't that what you care about? Money? You'd also have saved your reputation! I mean... there would have been no losers, none.

So tell me friends, or Bioware if you actually read this, WHY? What is your justification? I want an essay not just a sentance, explain everything, allow us to empathise and identify with your reasoning, otherwise to many of us, you will be lost forever.

- A devoted fan, who believed in you (Bioware) until the very end, defended you when others insulted you and in general made a complete fool of himself on your behalf. 

You have really, really let me down and I am ashamed of you and I am ashamed of myself for having believed in you.