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[ThatDancingTurian]

IanPolaris wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

So let me see if I've got this 'Rejection' right... If Shepard doesn't meekly agree with the leader of the Reapers and his stupid logic, then s/he dooms all of his/her cycle and Liara saves the next one single-handedly. Lovely.

The word I would use is 'petty' and IMHO that's exactly what it is.  Pettiness on the part of the writers.

-Polaris

It does seem really petty. Shepard now has the chance to act in-character, but the only option that allows it is an automatic fail. That's just great.

Oh well, they've at least given me more reason to completely renounce the ending of the game and imagine my own.

[v0rt3x22]

TLK Spires wrote...

i can confirm that the 'reject all options' choice is real. it only happens if you shoot the star child. his voice will get all scary, he'll say 'so be it' and guess what? YOU LOSE ANYWAY. you see a hologram of liara saying they failed

 

OMG

Doesn't this support the theory that Starchild is controlled by the reapers - if Liara says they lost?

MIND BLOWN 

[IanPolaris]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

So, a polished turd it is then?

It sure seems like it except now you get a special middle finger if you have the temerity to reject Bioware's lovely starchild.

-Polaris

[xrudix]

cynicalandbored wrote...

xrudix wrote...

will watch it on youtube, have no desire to play this half-baked bugged game again.

Don't be so hard on it, the ending is rushed, but overall I couldn't really call it half-baked IMO.

That said, since Sony decides to take a giant dump on its users again, I'll watch it on Youtube too.

But unfortunately it is true. Me1 was awesome, me2 was great, but not awesome, me3 was an average shooter with lmao animations, mediocre graphics, crap journal, repetetive and boring quests and so-so levels. This is really far from what it should be.

[Beelzebubs]

Seeing as there's going to be a million topics about the same thing, may as well post this in the busiest from what I just saw.

If you shoot starbrat, you get the rejection ending. The reapers continue and you are shown a holographic message from Liara on what looks like the jungle crash planet saying they built the crucible and it doesn't work.

We then get the credits and the stargazer scene except this time it's a female instead of Buzz Aldrin doing the voiceover and they appear to be Asari looking at the model.

[Thaa_solon]

wooot!?

[milena87]

albodibran wrote...

God bioware, if they made the reject ending having a good outcome they would have been saved in my eyes. i can deal with shepard dying but making it all a losing battle? lame

Agreed.

Nothing I've read so far (I had some hope about the reject option at first) seems to redeem the ending one bit :/

[guardian of hades]

albodibran wrote...

God bioware, if they made the reject ending having a good outcome they would have been saved in my eyes. i can deal with shepard dying but making it all a losing battle? lame

You do realise that it took an entire fleet to take out ONE capital ship, right?  The crucible was a last ditched effort because regular tactics were feeble.  You'd go down fighting but you'd still inevitably lose

People wanted a reapers win scenario and now they got one.  I don't have a problem with it.  You wanted a choice to reject everything and in the end you do nothing which costs you.

[Ieldra]

IanPolaris wrote...
I still think the 'reject' ending is a rather petty move on the part of Bioware, but it's nice you can in fact shoot the damn kid.

A petty move? I recall that I included exactly this scenario (without the shooting, but I understand that's only one way to get it) in my "best case" EC list and quite a few people appeared to agree. If you reject the choices, the cycle continues, but there's hope that the next cycle will get a better start. I like it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juin 2012 - 11:02 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

guardian of hades wrote...

albodibran wrote...

God bioware, if they made the reject ending having a good outcome they would have been saved in my eyes. i can deal with shepard dying but making it all a losing battle? lame

You do realise that it took an entire fleet to take out ONE capital ship, right?  The crucible was a last ditched effort because regular tactics were feeble.  You'd go down fighting but you'd still inevitably lose

People wanted a reapers win scenario and now they got one.  I don't have a problem with it.  You wanted a choice to reject everything and in the end you do nothing which costs you.

People wanted a 'Reapers win' scenario as a result of not being prepared. Y'know, an actual loss. Not Shepard's fighting spirit thrown back in his face by the cruel puppetmasters out of spite.

[HenchxNarf]

guardian of hades wrote...

albodibran wrote...

God bioware, if they made the reject ending having a good outcome they would have been saved in my eyes. i can deal with shepard dying but making it all a losing battle? lame

You do realise that it took an entire fleet to take out ONE capital ship, right?  The crucible was a last ditched effort because regular tactics were feeble.  You'd go down fighting but you'd still inevitably lose

People wanted a reapers win scenario and now they got one.  I don't have a problem with it.  You wanted a choice to reject everything and in the end you do nothing which costs you.

IA with you. No choice is still a choice, no matter if its good or bad.

You have the option to shoot zombies coming into your home, but you don't want to cause you know them?

You wind up dead.

Simple as that.

Then again, I knew people were going to throw a fit when this came out all along, so I'm not surprised. All in all, from what I've seen and heard, I'm happy with it. Then again, I was happy with the endings as is.

[IanPolaris]

guardian of hades wrote...

albodibran wrote...

God bioware, if they made the reject ending having a good outcome they would have been saved in my eyes. i can deal with shepard dying but making it all a losing battle? lame

You do realise that it took an entire fleet to take out ONE capital ship, right?  The crucible was a last ditched effort because regular tactics were feeble.  You'd go down fighting but you'd still inevitably lose

People wanted a reapers win scenario and now they got one.  I don't have a problem with it.  You wanted a choice to reject everything and in the end you do nothing which costs you.

Except the Reapers are NOT unbeatable, and they can be fought...and the weapons of the united fleet are much better suited against the Reapers than anything even the Protheans had.  At the very least there should be some possibility of winning...or at least drawing....if you reject the starbrat.  It shouldn't be easy in the slightest, but it should be POSSIBLE.  After all the main theme (or at least I always thought it was the main theme) was doing the impossible.

-Polaris

[Eain]

Am I the only one perfectly content with rejecting the spacekid and dooming the universe?

Because it still beats the crappiness of the other three endings. I mean, its consistent within the setting and a rather logical outcome all things considered. It may be grim, but it makes more sense than the Crucible's space magic doing anything at all.

[KironDrayga]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
People wanted a 'Reapers win' scenario as a result of not being prepared. Y'know, an actual loss. Not Shepard's fighting spirit thrown back in his face by the cruel puppetmasters out of spite.

Yeah, the problem with the 'Reapers Winning' in this context is that the Reapers "win" by Shepard remaining true to the same ideals that were major themes in ME1 and ME2. It's like Bioware punishes you for playing Shepard as true to him/herself.

[guardian of hades]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

guardian of hades wrote...

albodibran wrote...

God bioware, if they made the reject ending having a good outcome they would have been saved in my eyes. i can deal with shepard dying but making it all a losing battle? lame

You do realise that it took an entire fleet to take out ONE capital ship, right?  The crucible was a last ditched effort because regular tactics were feeble.  You'd go down fighting but you'd still inevitably lose

People wanted a reapers win scenario and now they got one.  I don't have a problem with it.  You wanted a choice to reject everything and in the end you do nothing which costs you.

People wanted a 'Reapers win' scenario as a result of not being prepared. Y'know, an actual loss. Not Shepard's fighting spirit thrown back in his face by the cruel puppetmasters out of spite.

Destroy shows Shepard's fighting spirit as well.  Starbrat does everything in his power to make you not chose that option

[HinduCowGirl]

No chance of a happy ending with a reunite with LI, with other words

[DisAdEv]

Control ending looked really badass to me.

[IanPolaris]

Ieldra2 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
I still think the 'reject' ending is a rather petty move on the part of Bioware, but it's nice you can in fact shoot the damn kid.

A petty move? I recall that I included exactly this scenario (without the shooting, but I understand that's only one way to get it) in my "best case" EC list and quite a few people appeared to agree. If you reject the choices, the cycle continues, but there's hope that the next cycle will get a better start. I like it.

Petty is exactly what it is.  You are REJECTING the forced solution and trying to do the impossible...you know...like Shepard normally does.  Bioware is saying, "If you don't take our solution, then you lose, period.  End. Of. Story"

Like I said earlier, if your resources were sub-minimum, then SURE, you lose.  No issues (and you can actually end the game with insufficient resources to win...it's hard and you have to sabotage yourself in places but it's possible).  Not the same thing at all.

-Polaris

[ThatDancingTurian]

Do we see our war assets in action this time, or did they just ignore that again?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

guardian of hades wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

guardian of hades wrote...

albodibran wrote...

God bioware, if they made the reject ending having a good outcome they would have been saved in my eyes. i can deal with shepard dying but making it all a losing battle? lame

You do realise that it took an entire fleet to take out ONE capital ship, right?  The crucible was a last ditched effort because regular tactics were feeble.  You'd go down fighting but you'd still inevitably lose

People wanted a reapers win scenario and now they got one.  I don't have a problem with it.  You wanted a choice to reject everything and in the end you do nothing which costs you.

People wanted a 'Reapers win' scenario as a result of not being prepared. Y'know, an actual loss. Not Shepard's fighting spirit thrown back in his face by the cruel puppetmasters out of spite.

Destroy shows Shepard's fighting spirit as well.  Starbrat does everything in his power to make you not chose that option

Oh yes, everything in his power, like politely explaining to you what the red beam does, and saying you can do it if you want.

Yep, that's a lot of effort, and there's no chance it is reverse psychology at all.

/pat pat

[Jerrybnsn]

Okay, okay. We've had plenty of discussion about how to doom the entire universe to the reapers by rejecting the starchild or shooting at him from your unlimited ammo gun.

What about the blue, green, red options? Does the Anderson/Illusive Man situation change at all or explain anything how they both end up there with Shepard?

[AlexandraK]

HinduCowGirl wrote...

No chance of a happy ending with a reunite with LI, with other words

Yeah, it was probably too hard for BW to make this one scene.

Modifié par AlexandraK, 26 juin 2012 - 11:10 .

[Ieldra]

KironDrayga wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
People wanted a 'Reapers win' scenario as a result of not being prepared. Y'know, an actual loss. Not Shepard's fighting spirit thrown back in his face by the cruel puppetmasters out of spite.

Yeah, the problem with the 'Reapers Winning' in this context is that the Reapers "win" by Shepard remaining true to the same ideals that were major themes in ME1 and ME2. It's like Bioware punishes you for playing Shepard as true to him/herself.

Not true. What ideals Shepard is true to is the players' choice. As I see it, the goal was always "stop the Reapers". Every other motivation lies in the player's imagination.

I really like this "Reapers win, but there's hope for the next cycle" scenario. It fits very well, and it still doesn't feel like a complete and utter failure because you've warned the next cycle.

[LazyTechGuy]

DisAdEv wrote...

Control ending looked really badass to me.

Can you describe it?

[HinduCowGirl]

AlexandraK wrote...

HinduCowGirl wrote...

No chance of a happy ending with a reunite with LI, with other words

It was too hard for BW to make this one scene.

ARRRRRRRGH! WHY?! Casy? Mike?! WHY?! Was that really to much?! GOD DAMN IT!