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[Falcon084]

There is more to the end than the voice over. This seems to be something a lot of people have missed and go to Bioware fizzed off for no reason:
You can see a lot of what people think is missing in the pics,
Wrex has a child in one ending (if he lived), in another ending I saw Wrex was leading the Krogan and you can see some familiar faces.
Jacob seems to be leading "his people" (also if he lived).
The Quarians have built a huge city (if they survived)
I havent seen and ending if the Geth survived and not the Quarians yet so I cant say as of yet.
Look at the pictures people! Its the other part of the end that no one seems to have seen?

[Raanz]

I finished the EC endings with my Renegade Male Shep last night. Romanced Ashley.
I have to say that even though I don't like the ending (chose destroy), I loved the EC. It helped fill some holes I had in the original, and I found myself watching very intently to what was going on. The extra spot during the beam-run when my Shep had his final-final goodbye with Ash was greatness.

I have to say I was expecting epic coolness based on what my idea and want of the ending was for real, instead I got a very good addition to the ME3 endgame. It might not have turned out like I was hoping (I was an IT proponent) but that doesn't discount the fact that it was well done.

Kudos Bioware.

My only question or observation: if you would have released this in the original game, I bet it would have saved you a bit of grief. Not all grief mind you, but some at the least.

[Bone3ater]

Btw, does somebody know if the scene where shepard takes a sharp breath in, is only for the Destroy choice? Because I didn't see it in Synthesis Makes sense though, the Catalyst said your DNA is used to make Synthesis possible, so of course, Shep's dead. Bummer

But I'm not 100% sure, so if someone could enlighten me...

Modifié par Bone3ater, 28 juin 2012 - 05:38 .

[Falcon084]

Bone3ater wrote...

Btw, does somebody know if the scene where shepard takes a sharp breath in, is only for the Destroy choice? Because I didn't see it in Synthesis Makes sense though, the Catalyst said you're DNA is used to make Synthesis possible so, of course, Shep's dead.

But I'm not 100% sure, so if someone could enlighten me...

Maybe if we save Anderson, he will sacrifice himself and save Shep. I don't know, I'm currently playing to find out.

[Bat32391]

Overall I'd say I liked the Extended cut, but the one thing I wish they would have done is extend the Shepard living scene a bit to where your LI or someone else would reach for your hand or something like that, but overall I'd say if fixed nearly all the issues for me.

[Alan Rickman]

Bone3ater wrote...

Btw, does somebody know if the scene where shepard takes a sharp breath in, is only for the Destroy choice? Because I didn't see it in Synthesis Makes sense though, the Catalyst said you're DNA is used to make Synthesis possible so, of course, Shep's dead.

But I'm not 100% sure, so if someone could enlighten me...

Shep is utterly disintegrated in both Synthesis and Control, except that in Control Shep's consciousness sort of lives on. Destroy leaves a chance for Shep to live since it only effects the synthetic parts of him/her.

As for my own thoughts on the EC:

I can't really find much wrong with the way the endings are now. For me, at least, the only problem I had with the original versions was that they were very vague. I'm very pleased with the clarification and elaboration I got, and it changed my views on the different endings.
 
I now see Control and Synthesis as the "best" ending to the series and Shep as a character now that we actually see that they work as promised and Shep isn't just indoctrinated or making some horrible synthetic/organic monsters - making the ultimate sacrifice for all life to rebuild and coexist in peace. I'm still selfish enough to prefer Destroy so that my Sheps can enjoy their retirement alongside their respective LI's and friends, and status as the greatest living being to ever exist.

All in all, very happy with this. It should've been presented like this from the beginning, but you came through in the end. So thanks, BW.

[Uncle Jo]

Bone3ater wrote...

Btw, does somebody know if the scene where shepard takes a sharp breath in, is only for the Destroy choice? Because I didn't see it in Synthesis Makes sense though, the Catalyst said your DNA is used to make Synthesis possible, so of course, Shep's dead. Bummer

But I'm not 100% sure, so if someone could enlighten me...

It's only for destroy. And for Synthesis (the most nonsensical and repulsive one) you pretty much die. Thanks to space magic you're transformed into small green atoms which combine with every single living being in the galaxy, turning them into cyborgs. On the other hand, you can go out with a Banshee or Brute now...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 28 juin 2012 - 05:57 .

[AloraKast]

Caenis wrote...

AloraKast wrote...

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I never thought about those things, that was very well put.

I have always leaned towards Synthesis (Essence) and Control (Immortality) and never considered Destroy and didn't care for Refusal as I wanted to make a choice. So I never paid attention to them and didn't develop many questions when I watched them. But, when we're in a room full of people and we create something or think of something we think yeah this is perfect. We put it out and the world outside sees the flaws and things that could have been added, but we weren't in the room with them when it was done and what's done is done. But still that WOULD have been cool, and I think that is an AWESOME request for Bioware, to never stop striving to be better from the last and always work towards improvement. That is what makes Bioware different from all the others or the one time games.

Thank you hun!

I guess I will try out the Control and Synthesis endings, despite my total aversion for those choices (heck, I really don't like any of the choices presented by the Star Brat and am certainly miffed that my Shepard staying true to his character and rejecting the Star Brat altogether results in such a depressing turn of events, instead there being a chance, however slim, for a victorious, satisfying ending, but anyways) and see how those play out...

One thing I forgot to put in my original post in the paragraph about the Reject ending was the question that remain unanswered for me; what was the purpose behind Eve giving Shepard the crystal from the cave and saying, rather memorably and profoundly, “In the darkest hour, there is always a way out”. Why make such allusions when the endings turn out to be contrary to this foreshadowing? What is the purpose of that?

This, and many more questions are what I am still left with... along with a sense of disappointment and sadness for a great, fantastic story... and what it all could have been.

[jakenou]

I've only played "Refuse" so far (it just seemed like the natural way to go for Shep), and just like any of the original endings, it leaves a lot to the imagination.

I have some observations/questions: First, when Starkid's voice changes while saying "So be it" it sounds like Harbinger's voice. Trying to remember back to ME1, but Sovereign at least sounded similar. Seems to me that this is the true voice of the Reapers/catalyst? Second, in the epilogue with the Stargazer, I'm trying to figure out if the woman speaking is meant to be an asari (which brings up more questions about whether the child is hers, and if so, the child sounds male and therefore non-asari). Third, and relevant to the previous - the child in the epilogue sounds like Starkid to me. Did they simply just have one child voice actor or is this meant to be Starkid? Whatch'all think?

[Festilence]

Caenis wrote...

cg8900 wrote...

in the refusal ending, why did the starkid's voice change to "harbinger-like" voice when he said 'so be it' ?

Maybe it's because the Star child is just frustrated, he sees this as a great opportunity for Shepard to a.) bring the inevitable (I also believe that it is inevitable that humans will merge with the machine, apparantly so does this Star child who so many hate ~), b.) Take his place as God of the Galaxy (I like being immortal , apparantly Shepard does a better job), and then the inevitable can occur naturally or c.) Commit genocide to save humans which 'could' either bring back the cycle or who knows maybe nobody will EVER touch robots again XD

But by choosing to refuse it, he's like SO  BE IT because now the cycle will continue, the Star Child will remain in power, you die, the people die, and his solution however flawed remains the one in power.

That's the way I saw it XD.

You could be right, but it also wouldn't surprise me that if they just used that type of Voice to make it sound cool and hammer home the message that you're basically screwed.

Also, everyone is saying that it's Harbinger's Voice but doesn't it just sound like any random Reaper?  It could be claimed just as well that it sounds like Sovereign.

[Bone3ater]

JobacNoor wrote...

Bone3ater wrote...

Btw, does somebody know if the scene where shepard takes a sharp breath in, is only for the Destroy choice? Because I didn't see it in Synthesis Makes sense though, the Catalyst said you're DNA is used to make Synthesis possible so, of course, Shep's dead.

But I'm not 100% sure, so if someone could enlighten me...

Shep is utterly disintegrated in both Synthesis and Control, except that in Control Shep's consciousness sort of lives on. Destroy leaves a chance for Shep to live since it only effects the synthetic parts of him/her.

As for my own thoughts on the EC:

I can't really find much wrong with the way the endings are now. For me, at least, the only problem I had with the original versions was that they were very vague. I'm very pleased with the clarification and elaboration I got, and it changed my views on the different endings.
 
I now see Control and Synthesis as the "best" ending to the series and Shep as a character now that we actually see that they work as promised and Shep isn't just indoctrinated or making some horrible synthetic/organic monsters - making the ultimate sacrifice for all life to rebuild and coexist in peace. I'm still selfish enough to prefer Destroy so that my Sheps can enjoy their retirement alongside their respective LI's and friends, and status as the greatest living being to ever exist.

All in all, very happy with this. It should've been presented like this from the beginning, but you came through in the end. So thanks, BW.

Thanks for the answer.

And I agree with everything you said btw.

Would have never taken Synthesis in the original ending. Now, after the EC, there's no other choice (for my sheps at least) to either take Control or Synthesis.

It should have been like this at release, would have saved a lot of image I believe. No one needed this kind of controversy.

But again, thank you Bioware.

Modifié par Bone3ater, 28 juin 2012 - 06:09 .

[Caenis]

AloraKast wrote...

One thing I forgot to put in my original post in the paragraph about the Reject ending was the question that remain unanswered for me; what was the purpose behind Eve giving Shepard the crystal from the cave and saying, rather memorably and profoundly, “In the darkest hour, there is always a way out”. Why make such allusions when the endings turn out to be contrary to this foreshadowing? What is the purpose of that?

This, and many more questions are what I am still left with... along with a sense of disappointment and sadness for a great, fantastic story... and what it all could have been.

OH I always wondered about that crystal too, as I never saw it, and it was never put in my inventory. I thought, hey do I get to use this awesome Crystal--and then I was like WHERES MY CRYSTAL ROAR. Maybe it's somewhere on my desk up stairs in my room with my Space Hamster and my model ships (and that copy of Fornax I keep under my bed) . It would have been cool to wear it as a little necklace...or bracelet, or to take it out and kiss it before getting my ass kicked by Reapers. I completely forgot about that Crystal and wondered about it too, but as the game went on it slipped my mind, and I just completely forgot about it until now. Esp. since I just got finished playing that scene again yesterday !

Modifié par Caenis, 28 juin 2012 - 06:11 .

[insomniak9]

At least now we know from what Starbingerkid says, is that he crammed the Thorians into Cuttlefish shells to make Reapers

Why else would that ancient one be such a randomly large part of ME1?

[PolisMassa]

insomniak9 wrote...

At least now we know from what Starbingerkid says, is that he crammed the Thorians into Cuttlefish shells to make Reapers

Why else would that ancient one be such a randomly large part of ME1?

Good point.

[GamerrangerX]

i chose the control ending in my very first playthrought,then the IT fans club came up,it make me regret my choice,now the control ending is what i want ti to be shepard is Imortal and so much more
CONGRATS BIOWARE now the ENDING IS PERFECT.

Modifié par GamerrangerX, 28 juin 2012 - 07:16 .

[IxSITHxI]

This is all they have to do to please everyone who actually cares about this game and series...

First, with the Leviathan DLC coming, it allows a Reaper to join forces with Shepard. Now then, this is the perfect opurtunity for them to please the people (95% of the fans) who hated the R G B endings. All they have to do is have it set that if you get this Reapers aid early enough, and you rally the whole galaxy (quarians and geth, cure genophage etc etc) it should be plausible to beat the Reapers conventionally. Leviathan would be able to give the victory fleet advanced weapons and defences as well as tactical data on the other Reapers. With this, choosing the F U god child option should allow the player to get the best possible ending. Your forces, with Reaper augmentation, should be able to defeat the much smaller Reaper fleet. With the Relays and the Citadel in still working condition, this victory fleet would be able to crush any smaller pockets of Reaper resistence. Shepard, not being forced into the BS RGB endings would be rescued by the Normandy, and after being hospitalised, is able to live on with his/her LI. They then show this in a CUTSCENE not a CHEAP ASS SLIDESHOW. And in Tali's case we see her effin face.

So in this one perfect ending, in which you have to do literally everything right and take the time and effort, we do get a happy ending. We get to watch the Normandy blasting Reapers with Turian, Asari, Salarian, Krogan, Batarian, Quarian, Geth, Rachni, Volus, and Elchor ( I think I got them all(the main ones at least)) forces in space and on the ground. Then we get to see the celebrations and what not *cough*starwars ending*cough*. Shepard settles down, and the game is set up for future DLC/Games. So everyone, the fans, and Bioware win.

With the FU god child option, failing to get EVERY SINGLE THING done right should still end in with the cycle. However, the only difference would be them showing, IN A CUTSCENE, the victory fleet going down in a blaze of hellfire and glory. It should show Palaven and the Turians and Asaris and Krogans going down fighting. The way it is now however is truly a slap in the face as it ends with " SO BE IT " cuts to bunker "Liaras monologue".

NOTE: Anyone sayin we cant have a happy ending clearly did not see the BS Synthesis ending wherein Kasumi , the DLC side character from ME 2 has the happiest ending. (Gamble confirmed that the Greybox brought Keiji back to life in synthesis.....SPACE MAGIC in full force in Synthesis wherein the Reaper are our Fwiends)

Besides all of that ^^ the only other thing that needs changing would be the med evac scene, becuase theres no way in hell that Harbinger would have given them the time to evac them. He stares at the Normandy for a solid 3-4 minutes. There is no reasson AT ALL (i guarentee none of you can give me a reasson I cant dispute) that Harbinger did NOT KILL them all.

The simple fix for ^^ is to have other ships attacking Harbinger as they get evacuated. Or another team hitting the other side or ANYTHING they would pull Harbingers attention. Sure it would still be a weak excuse, but its better than " AWWW LOOK AT SHEPARD AND TALI. THEY SOO CUTE. IMMA LET THEM GO FOR NOW"

You do all of this BioWare ^ and youll win over the fans that hated your RGB endings. Youll open up room for new DLC and Future games, with the same races. It gives fans the happy ending wherein Shepard lives and the galaxy survives intact. If you want your HARDCORE fans back BioWare, do this. If you want us to forget you leave what you have in the EC

The choice is yours BioWare...

Modifié par IxSITHxI, 28 juin 2012 - 07:40 .

[insomniak9]

What if... Leviathan is the Thorian?

Dun dun duuuuunnn!

[Menagra]

woops wrong forum [edit swish]

Modifié par infraredman, 28 juin 2012 - 07:46 .

[Journeyman313]

SnazzyBeast wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

SnazzyBeast wrote...

On the LI reunion topic - I would have definitely liked to see the reunion, but maybe in addition to "the player imagining the reunion on their own" angle, it's also not shown to keep some balance in the endings. If Shep reunites with the LI and lives happily ever after in the good destroy ending, it puts it pretty far ahead of the others IMO. There's nothing wrong with having a "best" or ideal ending, but it may overshadow the actual choice that BioWare wants us to make; destroy, control, synthesis.

didn't you remember casey hudson saying its not epicABC ending wow he is a liar, come on who wants to pick a color we want to fight harbringer we want depth and action  like ME 1 and2

Yes, but while i do have feelings on that, they aren't really relevant here. All I'm saying is that with given the endings as they are, I can understand BioWare wanting them to be fairly balanced.

ok can i ask you an honest question would u rather talk to me about how "how balanced the endings are or would you rather talk BW employee about another ending dlc ?

[3DandBeyond]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Bone3ater wrote...

Btw, does somebody know if the scene where shepard takes a sharp breath in, is only for the Destroy choice? Because I didn't see it in Synthesis Makes sense though, the Catalyst said your DNA is used to make Synthesis possible, so of course, Shep's dead. Bummer

But I'm not 100% sure, so if someone could enlighten me...

It's only for destroy. And for Synthesis (the most nonsensical and repulsive one) you pretty much die. Thanks to space magic you're transformed into small green atoms which combine with every single living being in the galaxy, turning them into cyborgs. On the other hand, you can go out with a Banshee or Brute now...

Synthesis and Control are also the most "child-like" choices.  I don't mean people are childish for choosing them.  I mean I see them as being choices where people just say they can't do things on their own and need the reapers and or a DNA change to perfection to help them accomplish anything.  People are too stupid to learn and do anything on their own.

Control is still Shepard as god and now the reapers are the galaxy's cops and fix it crew, because people will never learn how to do this stuff themselves.  I can conceive of exactly no one other than TIM that would love this idea in the ME galaxy.  The reapers have people goo in them, so some lady might wonder if a reaper that's cleaning the streets has the goo of her family inside it.

Synthesis is perfection through tech, because people seek perfection through tech.  They do?  That's news to me.  Perfection first off is an unreal goal, but striving to be better actually helps learning and helps in the growth of the soul and the person.  No soul-replace by tech.  And in what reality do people seek perfection through tech?  Even so, they might like augmentation or implants but a re-organization of their DNA (still there), I don't think so.  There are whole groups in ME that resist even implants as it is, so forcing this upon them, well that's rape.  The star kid say it can't be forced, but since Shepard's there it's now ok-because it's ok for Shepard to force it on trillions of people. 

Destroy, well the only thing that happened there is it's now more clear that it's genocide.  EDI is obviously dead.  The geth aren't shown in any after-slides so guess they died too.  Selfish Shepard-goes through life fat and happy and one day decides to wipe out billions of people for no good reason.  Stay in your rubble pile, you jerk.  Hero, my eye.  Writers treat heroes with a little respect.  You can't be one because they left you lying in a pile of rubble.

Reject is for all us rejects.  That's what it means.  Shepard was dumb and couldn't make one of those smart choices so tough luck, don't deserve anything.  Say your piece and just die and take all your friends with you.

[Journeyman313]

Falcon084 wrote...

Bone3ater wrote...

Btw, does somebody know if the scene where shepard takes a sharp breath in, is only for the Destroy choice? Because I didn't see it in Synthesis Makes sense though, the Catalyst said you're DNA is used to make Synthesis possible so, of course, Shep's dead.

But I'm not 100% sure, so if someone could enlighten me...

Maybe if we save Anderson, he will sacrifice himself and save Shep. I don't know, I'm currently playing to find out.

no its only destroy

[Journeyman313]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Bone3ater wrote...

Btw, does somebody know if the scene where shepard takes a sharp breath in, is only for the Destroy choice? Because I didn't see it in Synthesis Makes sense though, the Catalyst said your DNA is used to make Synthesis possible, so of course, Shep's dead. Bummer

But I'm not 100% sure, so if someone could enlighten me...

It's only for destroy. And for Synthesis (the most nonsensical and repulsive one) you pretty much die. Thanks to space magic you're transformed into small green atoms which combine with every single living being in the galaxy, turning them into cyborgs. On the other hand, you can go out with a Banshee or Brute now...

Synthesis and Control are also the most "child-like" choices.  I don't mean people are childish for choosing them.  I mean I see them as being choices where people just say they can't do things on their own and need the reapers and or a DNA change to perfection to help them accomplish anything.  People are too stupid to learn and do anything on their own.

Control is still Shepard as god and now the reapers are the galaxy's cops and fix it crew, because people will never learn how to do this stuff themselves.  I can conceive of exactly no one other than TIM that would love this idea in the ME galaxy.  The reapers have people goo in them, so some lady might wonder if a reaper that's cleaning the streets has the goo of her family inside it.

Synthesis is perfection through tech, because people seek perfection through tech.  They do?  That's news to me.  Perfection first off is an unreal goal, but striving to be better actually helps learning and helps in the growth of the soul and the person.  No soul-replace by tech.  And in what reality do people seek perfection through tech?  Even so, they might like augmentation or implants but a re-organization of their DNA (still there), I don't think so.  There are whole groups in ME that resist even implants as it is, so forcing this upon them, well that's rape.  The star kid say it can't be forced, but since Shepard's there it's now ok-because it's ok for Shepard to force it on trillions of people. 

Destroy, well the only thing that happened there is it's now more clear that it's genocide.  EDI is obviously dead.  The geth aren't shown in any after-slides so guess they died too.  Selfish Shepard-goes through life fat and happy and one day decides to wipe out billions of people for no good reason.  Stay in your rubble pile, you jerk.  Hero, my eye.  Writers treat heroes with a little respect.  You can't be one because they left you lying in a pile of rubble.

Reject is for all us rejects.  That's what it means.  Shepard was dumb and couldn't make one of those smart choices so tough luck, don't deserve anything.  Say your piece and just die and take all your friends with you.

finally someone makes sense of the ending its all wrong destroy is only good ending and destroy sucks why cant it be neither why create some majical weapon like the crucible at all.

[The-Hunta]

First of all, thanks for the Extended Cut DLC, exellent job, really

I also chose the Destruction-Ending, but unfortunately, I wasn't able to see Shepard comming together with his crew again
Actually, there are some signs which show, that the Crew will find Shepard again, but it would have been great, if I could see this with my own eyes. The "Breathing-Scene" is also a sign for the fact, that Shepard is alive, but how he will be found? The workers, who fix the Citadel will find him?
It would be great, if my questions will be answered, too.

To sum up I want to say again, that the Extendet Cut is a great DLC, and I want to thank the Mass-Effect Team and also Bioware for this great DLC. Luv U <3

[MegaSovereign]

I'm soooo happy that they made a paragon/renegade version of the control ending.

[The-Hunta]

sorry that was a doublepost

Modifié par The-Hunta, 28 juin 2012 - 08:14 .