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[Deaddude221]

As I see it the EC really did what I wanted, I received closure on the galaxy and just that short clip of the Normandy and crew flying off giving me closure for them. Would I have liked vivid closure like dialogue from each later on? Sure would've, however I've grown to know the characters over two or three games, I know by now what they will do with their time now that the threat is gone. So the closure on the rest of the galaxy is great. Also on that note the picture of eve and wrex with a baby ... Awesome.

In the end I would've loved to get a happy ending however I feel like they aren't all sad endings. Hell even refuse isn't bad, the lack of cutscene showing the lose would've made it more emotional however it would've been to depressing, where as now the refusal feels like a "sticking with our guns" situation, unfortunately it didn't work but the path was paved to the eventual victory and no one died in vain.

So hey I'm okay with this, it is a decent middle ground between the fans and bw ... Except a very well executed middle ground. I for one am content.

Thanks bioware, you did more than many companies would do, so that speaks in and of itself. I'd also LOVE to see post end dlc or even dlc that could give the fleet a fighting chance. Or about the origins of the reapers, that'd be pretty damn cool too.

[Deaddude221]

As I see it the EC really did what I wanted, I received closure on the galaxy and just that short clip of the Normandy and crew flying off giving me closure for them. Would I have liked vivid closure like dialogue from each later on? Sure would've, however I've grown to know the characters over two or three games, I know by now what they will do with their time now that the threat is gone. So the closure on the rest of the galaxy is great. Also on that note the picture of eve and wrex with a baby ... Awesome.

In the end I would've loved to get a happy ending however I feel like they aren't all sad endings. Hell even refuse isn't bad, the lack of cutscene showing the lose would've made it more emotional however it would've been to depressing, where as now the refusal feels like a "sticking with our guns" situation, unfortunately it didn't work but the path was paved to the eventual victory and no one died in vain.

So hey I'm okay with this, it is a decent middle ground between the fans and bw ... Except a very well executed middle ground. I for one am content.

Thanks bioware, you did more than many companies would do, so that speaks in and of itself. I'd also LOVE to see post end dlc or even dlc that could give the fleet a fighting chance. Or about the origins of the reapers, that'd be pretty damn cool too.

[RenegonSQ]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...



Just calling it how I see it. I've seen too many complaints like "All I wanted as a reunion with my LI. Since Biowaare didn't do this, screw all of the extra effort you put into clarifying your garbage ending"

That, to me, is being a baby.

And I get where you're coming from with the happy ending option, but I feell like a happy ending to the Mass Effect trilogy, given all the events that took place up until the very end, would not have fit the story in any way.

I agree that just because it didn't work out like people hoped it would, that's no reason to say BioWare's effort was for nothing.  What they did was remarkable, a lot of companies wouldn't do it, and for me it improved the game a lot and made me appreciate the endings they had, when I didn't appreciate them before.

The control ending especially was fun to see.  It made me think of Kyle Katarn deciding to become a sith lord.  I didn't like that ending at all until they expanded it.

Deep down I really hate the Control choice, even more now with the EC lol. You fight against Reapers the entire trilogy, so at the end you can become the Reaper God? Come on lol. I mean it's cool if your into "joining forces with the evil," but I'd choose Synthesis before I would choose Control. But I'm very biased towards choosing Destroy so take what I say with a grain of salt lol

[Faded-Myth]

RenegonSQ wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...



Just calling it how I see it. I've seen too many complaints like "All I wanted as a reunion with my LI. Since Biowaare didn't do this, screw all of the extra effort you put into clarifying your garbage ending"

That, to me, is being a baby.

And I get where you're coming from with the happy ending option, but I feell like a happy ending to the Mass Effect trilogy, given all the events that took place up until the very end, would not have fit the story in any way.

I agree that just because it didn't work out like people hoped it would, that's no reason to say BioWare's effort was for nothing.  What they did was remarkable, a lot of companies wouldn't do it, and for me it improved the game a lot and made me appreciate the endings they had, when I didn't appreciate them before.

The control ending especially was fun to see.  It made me think of Kyle Katarn deciding to become a sith lord.  I didn't like that ending at all until they expanded it.

Deep down I really hate the Control choice, even more now with the EC lol. You fight against Reapers the entire trilogy, so at the end you can become the Reaper God? Come on lol. I mean it's cool if your into "joining forces with the evil," but I'd choose Synthesis before I would choose Control. But I'm very biased towards choosing Destroy so take what I say with a grain of salt lol

Before the EC, I would never have picked either Synthesis or Control, since I didn't have much to go on. (I pretty much resented the endings). The EC version of Control actually didn't feel very sinister to me, and I like to believe (for my personal playthrough) that Shepard earned his place in control of the Reapers, unlike the Illusive Man who tried to force his way there. Aditionally, Shepard wishes to protect and guard all races, not just propel humanity to the top (at least on my Paragon playthrough). That allowed me to be OK with it, and even enjoy the notion of Shepard becomming a guardian of the galaxy. That's just my take on it though.

It's stuff like this that made the EC really appeal to me, and I have to hand it to BioWare for at least taking the time to do it, and releasing it for free. Sure, plot holes galore, but at least the Space Kid isn't just some random douchebag who uses the Reapers as puppets anymore, and the closure we got melted my heart. Some fantastic stuff.

[RenegonSQ]

Faded-Myth wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...



Just calling it how I see it. I've seen too many complaints like "All I wanted as a reunion with my LI. Since Biowaare didn't do this, screw all of the extra effort you put into clarifying your garbage ending"

That, to me, is being a baby.

And I get where you're coming from with the happy ending option, but I feell like a happy ending to the Mass Effect trilogy, given all the events that took place up until the very end, would not have fit the story in any way.

I agree that just because it didn't work out like people hoped it would, that's no reason to say BioWare's effort was for nothing.  What they did was remarkable, a lot of companies wouldn't do it, and for me it improved the game a lot and made me appreciate the endings they had, when I didn't appreciate them before.

The control ending especially was fun to see.  It made me think of Kyle Katarn deciding to become a sith lord.  I didn't like that ending at all until they expanded it.

Deep down I really hate the Control choice, even more now with the EC lol. You fight against Reapers the entire trilogy, so at the end you can become the Reaper God? Come on lol. I mean it's cool if your into "joining forces with the evil," but I'd choose Synthesis before I would choose Control. But I'm very biased towards choosing Destroy so take what I say with a grain of salt lol

Before the EC, I would never have picked either Synthesis or Control, since I didn't have much to go on. (I pretty much resented the endings). The EC version of Control actually didn't feel very sinister to me, and I like to believe (for my personal playthrough) that Shepard earned his place in control of the Reapers, unlike the Illusive Man who tried to force his way there. Aditionally, Shepard wishes to protect and guard all races, not just propel humanity to the top (at least on my Paragon playthrough). That allowed me to be OK with it, and even enjoy the notion of Shepard becomming a guardian of the galaxy. That's just my take on it though.

It's stuff like this that made the EC really appeal to me, and I have to hand it to BioWare for at least taking the time to do it, and releasing it for free. Sure, plot holes galore, but at least the Space Kid isn't just some random douchebag who uses the Reapers as puppets anymore, and the closure we got melted my heart. Some fantastic stuff.

That's true, but I still feel like I'm following the Illusive Man's footsteps by using control. No matter the outcome or what you do to reach that point, to me it's all the same idea. I chose Destroy simply because it was the mission since I first began playing Mass Effect. Eliminate the Reaper threat at all costs. Lives will be lost, sacrifices will be made, but those losses and sacrifices are necessary in order to save the galaxy.

That's pretty much why I hate when people bash the Destroy choice and consider it selfish. In my eyes there are no selfish choices for the ending (except maybe the refusal ending depending on how you look at it.)

[Journeyman313]

RenegonSQ wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...



Just calling it how I see it. I've seen too many complaints like "All I wanted as a reunion with my LI. Since Biowaare didn't do this, screw all of the extra effort you put into clarifying your garbage ending"

That, to me, is being a baby.

And I get where you're coming from with the happy ending option, but I feell like a happy ending to the Mass Effect trilogy, given all the events that took place up until the very end, would not have fit the story in any way.

I agree that just because it didn't work out like people hoped it would, that's no reason to say BioWare's effort was for nothing.  What they did was remarkable, a lot of companies wouldn't do it, and for me it improved the game a lot and made me appreciate the endings they had, when I didn't appreciate them before.

The control ending especially was fun to see.  It made me think of Kyle Katarn deciding to become a sith lord.  I didn't like that ending at all until they expanded it.

Deep down I really hate the Control choice, even more now with the EC lol. You fight against Reapers the entire trilogy, so at the end you can become the Reaper God? Come on lol. I mean it's cool if your into "joining forces with the evil," but I'd choose Synthesis before I would choose Control. But I'm very biased towards choosing Destroy so take what I say with a grain of salt lol

I dissagree I think ME 3 disserved a happy ending I don't know why it doesn't hav 1, but what really gets me is why people are happy with EC(they explained everything but the crucible), and why aren't people asking about how the crucible works anymore. for me I can't ME 3 again(or any BW game) until I find out how the crucible works . 

[RenegonSQ]

Journeyman313 wrote...


I dissagree I think ME 3 disserved a happy ending I don't know why it doesn't hav 1, but what really gets me is why people are happy with EC(they explained everything but the crucible), and why aren't people asking about how the crucible works anymore. for me I can't ME 3 again(or any BW game) until I find out how the crucible works . 

The Crucible basically becomes buried behind the rest of the games suspense. It's just a "piece of the puzzle," figuratively and literally.

Modifié par RenegonSQ, 29 juin 2012 - 08:10 .

[alayyubi]

All the 4 endings are valid - and if you ever replay from ME1, 2, and 3 - consider these ending and suit your Shepard play accordingly. I know I will !

In my mind, Control ending is for Paragon Shepard who protects all, Destroy is for Renegade Shepard who committed to achieve the goal at all cost, Synthesis ending if you want a "happy" but space magic ending - i.e. neutral, and for the most logical, albeit no-hope, gloom, closest to IT we can get choose reject.

Thanks again Bioware for listening, and well done to all who have held the line !! Enjoy the replay or MP

Over and out

[Journeyman313]

RenegonSQ wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...


I dissagree I think ME 3 disserved a happy ending I don't know why it doesn't hav 1, but what really gets me is why people are happy with EC(they explained everything but the crucible), and why aren't people asking about how the crucible works anymore. for me I can't ME 3 again(or any BW game) until I find out how the crucible works . 

The Crucible basically becomes buried behind the rest of the games suspense. It's just a "piece of the puzzle," figuratively and literally.

don't you want to know how it works I mean if they replaced fun boss fight with red,blue,green. we atleast disserved to know how it works(should've been in EC) besides without an explanation the crucible  is really just a majic space gun and sense ME has always explained technology through codex it would have to abandon its genre

[RenegonSQ]

Journeyman313 wrote...

don't you want to know how it works I mean if they replaced fun boss fight with red,blue,green. we atleast disserved to know how it works(should've been in EC) besides without an explanation the crucible  is really just a majic space gun and sense ME has always explained technology through codex it would have to abandon its genre

Good point. But once I made it to London, being that the Crucible was already fully built, I honestly stopped caring about it for some reason.

Modifié par RenegonSQ, 29 juin 2012 - 08:23 .

[alayyubi]

Journeyman313 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...


I dissagree I think ME 3 disserved a happy ending I don't know why it doesn't hav 1, but what really gets me is why people are happy with EC(they explained everything but the crucible), and why aren't people asking about how the crucible works anymore. for me I can't ME 3 again(or any BW game) until I find out how the crucible works . 

The Crucible basically becomes buried behind the rest of the games suspense. It's just a "piece of the puzzle," figuratively and literally.

don't you want to know how it works I mean if they replaced fun boss fight with red,blue,green. we atleast disserved to know how it works(should've been in EC) besides without an explanation the crucible  is really just a majic space gun and sense ME has always explained technology through codex it would have to abandon its genre

I would love to know how Crucible works (the godchild did said it is too much to explain in the extended dialog), where is Harbringer in all these, and many other unanswered questions - but I decided to take what we can get for now. I can still fathom Control and Destroy, it's the Synthesis ending that is still bit of space magic to me.

I would have even be happy if the Reapers remain a mysterious dark energy sapping force that were never explained.

But, Bioware choose to tell their story this way, and maybe the lore will be explain in future series.

Modifié par alayyubi, 29 juin 2012 - 08:28 .

[Journeyman313]

RenegonSQ wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

don't you want to know how it works I mean if they replaced fun boss fight with red,blue,green. we atleast disserved to know how it works(should've been in EC) besides without an explanation the crucible  is really just a majic space gun and sense ME has always explained technology through codex it would have to abandon its genre

Good point. But once I made it to London, being that the Crucible was already fully built, I honestly stopped caring about it for some reason.

but for me it was the whole reason I waited for EC, I mean no happy ending (except for kasumi for some reason) no awesome final boss fight, atleast with an explanation of the crucible I can say that BW stay true to the genre even if the ending was boring and ABC like hudson claimed it wouldn't be. I can move on and remain a customer

[RenegonSQ]

alayyubi wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...


I dissagree I think ME 3 disserved a happy ending I don't know why it doesn't hav 1, but what really gets me is why people are happy with EC(they explained everything but the crucible), and why aren't people asking about how the crucible works anymore. for me I can't ME 3 again(or any BW game) until I find out how the crucible works . 

The Crucible basically becomes buried behind the rest of the games suspense. It's just a "piece of the puzzle," figuratively and literally.

don't you want to know how it works I mean if they replaced fun boss fight with red,blue,green. we atleast disserved to know how it works(should've been in EC) besides without an explanation the crucible  is really just a majic space gun and sense ME has always explained technology through codex it would have to abandon its genre

I would love to know how Crucible works (the godchild did said it is too much to explain in the extended dialog), where is Harbringer in all these, and many other unanswered questions - but I decided to take what we can get for now. I can still fathom Control and Destroy, it's the Synthesis ending that is still bit of space magic to me.

I would have even be happy if the Reapers remain a mysterious dark energy sapping force that were never explained.

But, Bioware choose to tell their story this way, and maybe the lore will be explain in future series.

Detail is where Bioware fumbled with the whole ending of the trilogy, I honestly didn't expect them to clean up in that department in a matter of months enough to even clean up one plothole, let alone to explain how The Crucible works. I get where you guys are coming from though.

[Journeyman313]

alayyubi wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...


I dissagree I think ME 3 disserved a happy ending I don't know why it doesn't hav 1, but what really gets me is why people are happy with EC(they explained everything but the crucible), and why aren't people asking about how the crucible works anymore. for me I can't ME 3 again(or any BW game) until I find out how the crucible works . 

The Crucible basically becomes buried behind the rest of the games suspense. It's just a "piece of the puzzle," figuratively and literally.

don't you want to know how it works I mean if they replaced fun boss fight with red,blue,green. we atleast disserved to know how it works(should've been in EC) besides without an explanation the crucible  is really just a majic space gun and sense ME has always explained technology through codex it would have to abandon its genre

I would love to know how Crucible works (the godchild did said it is too much to explain in the extended dialog), where is Harbringer in all these, and many other unanswered questions - but I decided to take what we can get for now. I can still fathom Control and Destroy, it's the Synthesis ending that is still bit of space magic to me.

I would have even be happy if the Reapers remain a mysterious dark energy sapping force that were never explained.

But, Bioware choose to tell their story this way, and maybe the lore will be explain in future series.

but without knowing how the crucible works. all the endings are majic, they might has well got a easy button from staples

[Journeyman313]

RenegonSQ wrote...

alayyubi wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...


I dissagree I think ME 3 disserved a happy ending I don't know why it doesn't hav 1, but what really gets me is why people are happy with EC(they explained everything but the crucible), and why aren't people asking about how the crucible works anymore. for me I can't ME 3 again(or any BW game) until I find out how the crucible works . 

The Crucible basically becomes buried behind the rest of the games suspense. It's just a "piece of the puzzle," figuratively and literally.

don't you want to know how it works I mean if they replaced fun boss fight with red,blue,green. we atleast disserved to know how it works(should've been in EC) besides without an explanation the crucible  is really just a majic space gun and sense ME has always explained technology through codex it would have to abandon its genre

I would love to know how Crucible works (the godchild did said it is too much to explain in the extended dialog), where is Harbringer in all these, and many other unanswered questions - but I decided to take what we can get for now. I can still fathom Control and Destroy, it's the Synthesis ending that is still bit of space magic to me.

I would have even be happy if the Reapers remain a mysterious dark energy sapping force that were never explained.

But, Bioware choose to tell their story this way, and maybe the lore will be explain in future series.

Detail is where Bioware fumbled with the whole ending of the trilogy, I honestly didn't expect them to clean up in that department in a matter of months enough to even clean up one plothole, let alone to explain how The Crucible works. I get where you guys are coming from though.

Im not saying they should tell us now but we need to know eventually, I think thats gonna take them a while to think of how the crucible works anyway

[GreenFlag]

alayyubi wrote...

All the 4 endings are valid - and if you ever replay from ME1, 2, and 3 - consider these ending and suit your Shepard play accordingly. I know I will !

In my mind, Control ending is for Paragon Shepard who protects all, Destroy is for Renegade Shepard who committed to achieve the goal at all cost, Synthesis ending if you want a "happy" but space magic ending - i.e. neutral, and for the most logical, albeit no-hope, gloom, closest to IT we can get choose reject.

Thanks again Bioware for listening, and well done to all who have held the line !! Enjoy the replay or MP

Over and out

For me:
True paragon is Synthesis (fairy tale).
True renegade is Refuse.
Control and Destroy are both neutral (it depends on EMS and how much you're renegade/paragon). Only there you can survive.

I think, if will be ME4 only both neutral option can continues (rather destroy) in next saga.

Modifié par GreenFlag, 29 juin 2012 - 08:57 .

[RenegonSQ]

GreenFlag wrote...

alayyubi wrote...

All the 4 endings are valid - and if you ever replay from ME1, 2, and 3 - consider these ending and suit your Shepard play accordingly. I know I will !

In my mind, Control ending is for Paragon Shepard who protects all, Destroy is for Renegade Shepard who committed to achieve the goal at all cost, Synthesis ending if you want a "happy" but space magic ending - i.e. neutral, and for the most logical, albeit no-hope, gloom, closest to IT we can get choose reject.

Thanks again Bioware for listening, and well done to all who have held the line !! Enjoy the replay or MP

Over and out

For me:
True paragon is Synthesis (fairy tale).
True renegade is Refuse.
Control and Destroy are both neutral (it depends on EMS and how much you're renegade/paragon). Only there you can survive.

I think, if will be ME4 only both neutral option can continues (rather destroy) in next saga.

I agree.

[Grammarye]

AloraKast wrote...

If you have some time on your hands, here is some incredible food for thought; both posts are excellent imho and most definitely worth the read:

http://social.biowar...86/165#12809193

http://social.biowar...86/167#12833282

Of course, right along with the excellent and stimulating discussion going on in that thread in general.

Enjoy!

Pretty much sums up my feelings.

What struck me about Refusal was the meta-text beneath. Having been through a corporate takeover of a small successful company by a large US behemoth myself, I was astonished at how Refusal seemed to resonate with two messages from Bioware itself, not from the game - that no, you can't stand up against the darkness, that the big brother AI/EA watching over will always triumph, that life is much easier if you just pick the options you were told to pick, and that ultimately, it's their story and not yours, and if you have the temerity to raise your head, well, let the galaxy burn for your arrogance in thinking you might be right and the giant entity is wrong.

It's a triumph of writing if your message is telling people to carry on doing as they're told & never think for themselves. Bit of a stark contrast to the rest of the ME trilogy's theme though. It's the ultimate GM 'Rocks fall & everyone dies' retort when coupled with the subtext that the next cycle.... uses the Crucible. Not 'Shepard brought the galaxy together and did so much damage that the Reapers, unable to break their own cycle, returned unprepared for the same united galaxy the next time around due to their legacy' which would have given Shepard the same Prothean touch. No instead we get 'and they did the right thing, they chose red, green or blue'.

For the record - I never expected a happy ending, nor demanded a better ending, unless you count reviewing the existing ending to be bad as an entitled demand. As might have been predicted, Bioware really couldn't 'fix' the ending; they could only try & explain it away. A worthy attempt.

Modifié par Grammarye, 29 juin 2012 - 09:41 .

[Ratakresch]

The Extended Edition Ending feels like Band-Aid for a bullet wound. It looks nice enough, but doesn't help with the main problems (or some of the major plotholes). Throughout the Mass Effect series the two forces constantly in battle in the universe are the drive toward collectivity (Reaper) and the drive toward cooperative individuality (Shepard). You fought hard and made sacrifices to create a sense of cooperation between races and cultures, but in the end you get either rewarded for betraying your principles or punished for standing up for them. You can polish a turd, and the end result can be quite nice, but it's still a turd.

[ThomanCoston]

Just want to say thank you to Bioware. I was disappointed with the ending 3 months ago due to the plot holes. The DLC plugged the holes, I enjoyed the DLC a lot. Finally a worthy ending to such an epic saga that is Mass Effect!

[Jassu1979]

Ratakresch wrote...

The Extended Edition Ending feels like Band-Aid for a bullet wound. It looks nice enough, but doesn't help with the main problems (or some of the major plotholes). Throughout the Mass Effect series the two forces constantly in battle in the universe are the drive toward collectivity (Reaper) and the drive toward cooperative individuality (Shepard). You fought hard and made sacrifices to create a sense of cooperation between races and cultures, but in the end you get either rewarded for betraying your principles or punished for standing up for them. You can polish a turd, and the end result can be quite nice, but it's still a turd.

QFT.

This sums it up pretty well.

[Holy shnikeys]

My biggest problem with the original endings was not the "lack of closure", or "lack of a happy ending."  My biggest problem is that the endings made ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.  The EC does nothing to fix this.  Yeah, it adds extended conversation sequences with the Catalyst.  But even then it still does not make sense.  The whole idea of "Synthetics will always destroy Organics, so i use Synthetics to destroy you before that happens," idea still does not sit right with me.  The only time in the present cycle that Organics are in direct conflict with Synthetics is:
1. Geth defending themselves, FREEDOM
2. Reapers control Geth and make them fight Organics.

So..... does the Catalyst cause the problems that he supposedly solves? Thatd be like a mechanic intentionally breaking your engine so you have to get it repaired every fifity thousand years, and by engine i mean galaxy and by repaired i mean destory everything that moves.  The EC does nothing to fill this GIANT PLOT HOLE, through the games you discover that AIs are not so bad, they are just misunderstood.  EDI saves your life more than once, not to mention Legion.  AND THE GETH LET THE QUARIANS BACK ON THEIR HOMEWORLD!  My, if that doesnt scream rampaging Synthetics out to destory all Organic life in the galaxy then i dont know what would.

I appreciate what Bioware did by releasing the extended cut, dont take my ranting the wrong way, i just believe that the logic doesnt work.  I do also enjoy the new fourth ending, even if everyone dies .Shepard gets to tell the Catalyst that his logic doesnt make any sense and that he would rather let everyone go down fighting than commit genocide, became a dictator, or force everyone to "evolve." At least now i get the option for standing up for my beliefs, even if it causes the death... of everyone... and everything ive been fighting for. Hmmmm, not sure how to take that one. Give in and Win, or Fight and lose? i personally choose fight and lose.  The whole William Wallice thing.  I don't know how i feel about the next cycle choosing red, blue, or green, kinda feels like a slap in the face.  

But anyway, If anyone agrees with the Catalyst's logic i suggest you take a trip to Rannoch and see how wrong he is.

Modifié par Holy shnikeys, 29 juin 2012 - 10:43 .

[Holy shnikeys]

oh, one more thing. The original species that designed the crucible had to have had an idea of what it would do right? or were they just throwing random junk together and expecting something cool to happen? that means that they knew of the existance of the Catalyst, but Shepard is the only Organic to meet him(other than his creators im assuming). With the information we are given this is another plot hole. Unless i am mistaken and have missed some important plot points along the course of my hundreds of hours throughout the mass effect universe.

And im not trying to hate on the endings, im just pointing out that EC left alot of giant plot holes unexplained that some people are calling "minor things that can be overlooked and ignored."

Modifié par Holy shnikeys, 29 juin 2012 - 10:59 .

[ofs ovafragga]

Just wanted to say thanks to Bioware for the extended Cut. The "spirit" of the ending is still the same, but the ending  feels much better now. 
Liked the possibility to shoot the star child and refuse his solutions.
I also liked the way you solved the controversial point, with the normandy and your teammates leaveing the battle.
I still didn't get the end I was hopeing, but I realy appreciate the release of the extended cut dlc.

[RenegonSQ]

Holy shnikeys wrote...

My biggest problem with the original endings was not the "lack of closure", or "lack of a happy ending."  My biggest problem is that the endings made ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.  The EC does nothing to fix this.  Yeah, it adds extended conversation sequences with the Catalyst.  But even then it still does not make sense.  The whole idea of "Synthetics will always destroy Organics, so i use Synthetics to destroy you before that happens," idea still does not sit right with me.  The only time in the present cycle that Organics are in direct conflict with Synthetics is:
1. Geth defending themselves, FREEDOM
2. Reapers control Geth and make them fight Organics.

So..... does the Catalyst cause the problems that he supposedly solves? Thatd be like a mechanic intentionally breaking your engine so you have to get it repaired every fifity thousand years, and by engine i mean galaxy and by repaired i mean destory everything that moves.  The EC does nothing to fill this GIANT PLOT HOLE, through the games you discover that AIs are not so bad, they are just misunderstood.  EDI saves your life more than once, not to mention Legion.  AND THE GETH LET THE QUARIANS BACK ON THEIR HOMEWORLD!  My, if that doesnt scream rampaging Synthetics out to destory all Organic life in the galaxy then i dont know what would.

I appreciate what Bioware did by releasing the extended cut, dont take my ranting the wrong way, i just believe that the logic doesnt work.  I do also enjoy the new fourth ending, even if everyone dies .Shepard gets to tell the Catalyst that his logic doesnt make any sense and that he would rather let everyone go down fighting than commit genocide, became a dictator, or force everyone to "evolve." At least now i get the option for standing up for my beliefs, even if it causes the death... of everyone... and everything ive been fighting for. Hmmmm, not sure how to take that one. Give in and Win, or Fight and lose? i personally choose fight and lose.  The whole William Wallice thing.  I don't know how i feel about the next cycle choosing red, blue, or green, kinda feels like a slap in the face.  

But anyway, If anyone agrees with the Catalyst's logic i suggest you take a trip to Rannoch and see how wrong he is.

It seems like we all got so beside the point, that we forgot The Catalyst still makes no sense. Bringing him up makes the argument no fun, because no arguement can be made for or against it given that it falls outside of the bounds of logic lol. You seem to be the only one mad for the right reason. For that, I sincerely applaud you.

Modifié par RenegonSQ, 29 juin 2012 - 11:11 .