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[3DandBeyond]

Journeyman313 wrote...

The Divine Avenger wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

The Divine Avenger wrote...

The EC is just yet another great big middle finger to the Mass Effect fanbase & to that I reply with my wn middle finger. I'll be keeping my money in the future Bioware this is one Hardore fan that will not follow you any longer.

I felt the same way but for some reason people like replacing an awesome boss fight with red,blue,green ending oh and they also ok with the bazzare explanation. starkid solution= protect organics from synthetics by destroying organics with synthetics. crucible =no explanation just a majic space gun kind of like easy button at staples. all in all ME is a science fiction rpg shooter. that until now had no majical or religious themes. the entire series stayed true to its genre (I mean everything tech wise was scientifically explained through codex) until now when we defeat the reaper with some sort of majical space gun with no scienctific explanation and sense majic was never a theme in ME series the only verdict I can come up with is that ME 3 completely abandoned its genre, and in science fiction this is not acceptable in fact I never a science fiction completely abandoned its genre, all just to make way for some boring red,blue,green ending, wow BW I don't know how you got people to accept this crap but you did. 

I'm 100% with you my friend Mass Effect up untill ME3 that is was as simple as Mass Effect = Star Trek now after ME3 it's more like Mass Effect = Star Sh*t.

If that's the way Bioware wants it then all I have to say to then is this

 (STARTS SINGING) IT'S MY MONEY & i WON'T SPEND IT ON YOU, SPEND IT ON YOU SPEND IT ON YOU, YOU'ED SAY BYE TO IF IT HAPPENED TO YOU DADADA DA DA.

I wish we could start another take back campaign but there is too many people blissfully accepting this crap 

They have been indoctrinated.  Part of it is because people are not considering it now in context with the rest of ME that came before, they are comparing it to the previous endings.  And more words that sound better with awesome speeches and all, seems to have satisified people.  I think it's the main reason why they were specific as to where you should start the game (the save used).  The ending is considered in its own walled garden.

It's similar to how they saw ME3 to begin with.  It was repeatedly said to be something they considered as a great entry into the series, don't ask me how.  This makes no sense for many reasons.  No company that wants to make money is going to say, "ignore the 2 other games in this series, play this one alone."  Instead companies will purposely even mislead you by saying you could play this one alone, but you won't get the full experience or know the characters if you don't play 1 and 2.  They knew something was wrong with ME3-that it didn't fit in some way the other 2 games.  In fact, the marketing guy at Bioware said people wouldn't remember what happened in earlier games and at the end wouldn't care about their LIs because it was an all out fight with the reapers.  It wasn't and we did.

I think they did the unthinkable and unforgivable, they started to believe their own press releases.  I also think they worried about some backlash for trying to create a powder puff game and ending.  There was an interview some time back after ME2 came out and about ME3 and the dev (I cannot remember which one) said the ME3 would be their break out blockbuster game, like Star Wars.  Well, you say something like that and you will get criticism.  The original Star Wars, A New Hope, had a rather cheesy ending, but it fit Star Wars because everything that was done in it was tongue in cheek and not all that serious.  Even Harrison Ford at the end smirks a bit as if Han Solo is saying, "what am I doing here?"  I think there was some concern and external and internal criticism that made them think they couldn't do cheesy and so they wanted something completely opposite.  What they made was crazy and disjointed.  Unfun and un-gamelike and very much not in keeping with ME.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 29 juin 2012 - 03:04 .

[The Divine Avenger]

Journeyman313 wrote...

The Divine Avenger wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

The Divine Avenger wrote...

The EC is just yet another great big middle finger to the Mass Effect fanbase & to that I reply with my wn middle finger. I'll be keeping my money in the future Bioware this is one Hardore fan that will not follow you any longer.

I felt the same way but for some reason people like replacing an awesome boss fight with red,blue,green ending oh and they also ok with the bazzare explanation. starkid solution= protect organics from synthetics by destroying organics with synthetics. crucible =no explanation just a majic space gun kind of like easy button at staples. all in all ME is a science fiction rpg shooter. that until now had no majical or religious themes. the entire series stayed true to its genre (I mean everything tech wise was scientifically explained through codex) until now when we defeat the reaper with some sort of majical space gun with no scienctific explanation and sense majic was never a theme in ME series the only verdict I can come up with is that ME 3 completely abandoned its genre, and in science fiction this is not acceptable in fact I never a science fiction completely abandoned its genre, all just to make way for some boring red,blue,green ending, wow BW I don't know how you got people to accept this crap but you did. 

I'm 100% with you my friend Mass Effect up untill ME3 that is was as simple as Mass Effect = Star Trek now after ME3 it's more like Mass Effect = Star Sh*t.

If that's the way Bioware wants it then all I have to say to then is this

 (STARTS SINGING) IT'S MY MONEY & i WON'T SPEND IT ON YOU, SPEND IT ON YOU SPEND IT ON YOU, YOU'ED SAY BYE TO IF IT HAPPENED TO YOU DADADA DA DA.

I wish we could start another take back campaign but there is too many people blissfully accepting this crap 

Bioware will suffer for it in the long run though because thoue that aren't blissfully excepting this cr** won't be so quick to throw money at them in the future. Taking into account that there is still a good portion of the Hardcore fanbase that are still angry with the ending although they maynot be as many as they were theres still enough to make a difference.

The hardcore fans are responcible for perchasing collecters editions books hoodies ect they'll notice the loss when there mechandise stops selling as much. The gamers that aren't so hardcore are also going to be a little more wary of anything Bioware does in the future due to the outrage over both Mass Effect & Dragon Age. Also it's likely that some of the more content fans are likely to be wary of buying there games on day of release due to ME & dA outrage. So long term implications of this have yet to surface. Also we don't know what Sqare Enix's reaction will be when it come's to Bioware stealing the ending to Deus ex Human Revolution.

[The Divine Avenger]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

The Divine Avenger wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

The Divine Avenger wrote...

The EC is just yet another great big middle finger to the Mass Effect fanbase & to that I reply with my wn middle finger. I'll be keeping my money in the future Bioware this is one Hardore fan that will not follow you any longer.

I felt the same way but for some reason people like replacing an awesome boss fight with red,blue,green ending oh and they also ok with the bazzare explanation. starkid solution= protect organics from synthetics by destroying organics with synthetics. crucible =no explanation just a majic space gun kind of like easy button at staples. all in all ME is a science fiction rpg shooter. that until now had no majical or religious themes. the entire series stayed true to its genre (I mean everything tech wise was scientifically explained through codex) until now when we defeat the reaper with some sort of majical space gun with no scienctific explanation and sense majic was never a theme in ME series the only verdict I can come up with is that ME 3 completely abandoned its genre, and in science fiction this is not acceptable in fact I never a science fiction completely abandoned its genre, all just to make way for some boring red,blue,green ending, wow BW I don't know how you got people to accept this crap but you did. 

I'm 100% with you my friend Mass Effect up untill ME3 that is was as simple as Mass Effect = Star Trek now after ME3 it's more like Mass Effect = Star Sh*t.

If that's the way Bioware wants it then all I have to say to then is this

 (STARTS SINGING) IT'S MY MONEY & i WON'T SPEND IT ON YOU, SPEND IT ON YOU SPEND IT ON YOU, YOU'ED SAY BYE TO IF IT HAPPENED TO YOU DADADA DA DA.

I wish we could start another take back campaign but there is too many people blissfully accepting this crap 

They have been indoctrinated.

saddly very true

[Ozida]

I am just curious: if there was an ending that had an epic battle in it, your EMS mattered and Shepard could die/ live in the end depending on your previous choices, but it was a paid DLC and it would come out in a 1-2 years, how many people would actually buy it? (I know, I would ).

[The Divine Avenger]

Ozida wrote...

I am just curious: if there was an ending that had an epic battle in it, your EMS mattered and Shepard could die/ live in the end depending on your previous choices, but it was a paid DLC and it would come out in a 1-2 years, how many people would actually buy it? (I know, I would ).

I wouldn't out of priciple, in fact I plan on selling all 3 Mas Effect games & every bit of merchandise I ever bought, I'm done with both Mass Effect & Bioware. I won't be lied to by them again & i certainly won't let them break my heart & watch them destroy anything else they may choose to make for there so called "Artistic Vision" Stolen Vision more like.

Modifié par The Divine Avenger, 29 juin 2012 - 03:15 .

[Tleining]

Ozida wrote...

I am just curious: if there was an ending that had an epic battle in it, your EMS mattered and Shepard could die/ live in the end depending on your previous choices, but it was a paid DLC and it would come out in a 1-2 years, how many people would actually buy it? (I know, I would ).

Aye!

not so sure now, though. After the EC.... i'm not sure i want to see what Bioware would do next.

[3DandBeyond]

Ozida wrote...

I am just curious: if there was an ending that had an epic battle in it, your EMS mattered and Shepard could die/ live in the end depending on your previous choices, but it was a paid DLC and it would come out in a 1-2 years, how many people would actually buy it? (I know, I would ).

To be honest I wouldn't know how to feel.  1-2 years is a ways away and given my current newfound level of disgust for anything ME-related, I can think I'd be gone by then.  Right now, I am ready to pay a lot for a 10 second reunion scene, but right now I'm still kind of emotional.  I never cried over the first endings, but I did over these.  I only chose destroy and I got really pissed when I saw Liara was about to put the name plate on the wall.  I was ready to throw the game out the window and I was calling Bioware every name in the book.  Getting to the gasp ending didn't help much and I cried from frustration at getting no closure.  I also got very angry that they seemed to elevate Hackett to "savior and uniter of the galaxy".  His speech was great and I love Lance, but Shepard did all that and Shepard was the one I cared about.  So, I know right now I'm not thinking clearly about all this because the feelings are raw.  My head says, "hell no," but my heart says something else.  I'm a pushover for love stories.

But give me too much time and my head will win out.  My heart will move onto other things and will say "you already have imagined what happened.  Nothing else is important."

I wanted an epic battle where choices that came before mattered and choices made on the spot were possible.  Not gun and run, but some thoughtful stuff with action.  I wanted it now.  Later, not so much.

[Moirai]

No idea whether this has been suggested before, since there are just too many posts to wade through. But, personally, I fail to see why the Normandy 'medivac' scene could not have been inserted after the fight to defend the missile launchers. After all, that was a tough fight: three against all those Reapers, etc.

Getting your understandably badly injured team out then would have made sense at that point and been far more believable and appropriate, given that you had stopped to rally with Anderson's forces anyway.

Modifié par Moirai, 29 juin 2012 - 04:04 .

[sdinc009]

The EC DLC does help "repair" the ending, though I use that there loosely. The major plot holes get filled even though others are opened like why didn't Harbinger shoot the Normandy when it evacs your squad? And how is Shephard breathing when he/she meets the Catalyst? If you look at the contact point where the Crucible and Citadel meet in the connection cinematic and then look at your surrounding when regain control of Shepard you're in figgin space without a helmet! Regardless, the narrative finally has a resolution that's acceptable. This is not to say that I like the ending cause I don't, I accept the ending. The very core of the problem that is wrong with the ending that should have been addressed in order to fix everything is the Catalyst. The very presence of this stupid F#$%ing Deus Ex Machina character serves no purpose other than completely ruining the entire story. You do not change the main antagonist of a series in the final scene. You do not change the main driving goal of the series in the final scene. You do not introduce a completely random new character that is pivotal to the plot in the final scene. You do not change the central theme of the story in the final scene. The Catalyst is the heart of everything that is wrong with the ending, and simply removing that Starkid would fix 95% of what is wrong with it. The central theme of Mass Effect is that choices matter. The main driving goal of the series is to defeat the Reapers and save the galaxy. The Reapers are the main antagonist not a hologram kid that can't think his way out of a box. I mean he's how many millions of years old and yet one quick little back and forth with him and Shepard can fix problems he can't!? Really? I hold no more reservations about Bioware making anymore changes to the ending and that's fine. The ending as it stands now is acceptable, but this does not mean good. As long as the Catalyst is a part of the narrative its just poorly written. As for the endings, well Synthesis is just plain stupid and goes against the entire story. The Refusal is good in that it conforms with Shepards defiant, doing-it his/her way though it's obviously bleak in that we lose and the cycle is lost, though it does include the Liara time capsule plot and shows that though our cycle lost we help the next to finally defeat the Reapers. The new Control and Destroy endings are both good choices and I guess which one you choose is up to the player. The Control now is the obvious paragon choice, Shep dies but saves everyone and now the Shreapers are guardians of all. The only problem is that this is what TIM wanted to do so is acknowledging that the secondary antagonist was right. This undermines the whole section of the story where Shepard is opposing TIM, like in the previous scene! Destroy is the Renegade choice in that youn sacrifice the Geth and EDI to accomplish the goal of the entire series which is to defeat the Repears. This would be the clear best option if not for the sacrificing all synthetics part. Control tugs at the heart-strings a little more, but Destroy is a better fit for the story as a whole.

[Journeyman313]

The Divine Avenger wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

The Divine Avenger wrote...

Journeyman313 wrote...

The Divine Avenger wrote...

The EC is just yet another great big middle finger to the Mass Effect fanbase & to that I reply with my wn middle finger. I'll be keeping my money in the future Bioware this is one Hardore fan that will not follow you any longer.

I felt the same way but for some reason people like replacing an awesome boss fight with red,blue,green ending oh and they also ok with the bazzare explanation. starkid solution= protect organics from synthetics by destroying organics with synthetics. crucible =no explanation just a majic space gun kind of like easy button at staples. all in all ME is a science fiction rpg shooter. that until now had no majical or religious themes. the entire series stayed true to its genre (I mean everything tech wise was scientifically explained through codex) until now when we defeat the reaper with some sort of majical space gun with no scienctific explanation and sense majic was never a theme in ME series the only verdict I can come up with is that ME 3 completely abandoned its genre, and in science fiction this is not acceptable in fact I never a science fiction completely abandoned its genre, all just to make way for some boring red,blue,green ending, wow BW I don't know how you got people to accept this crap but you did. 

I'm 100% with you my friend Mass Effect up untill ME3 that is was as simple as Mass Effect = Star Trek now after ME3 it's more like Mass Effect = Star Sh*t.

If that's the way Bioware wants it then all I have to say to then is this

 (STARTS SINGING) IT'S MY MONEY & i WON'T SPEND IT ON YOU, SPEND IT ON YOU SPEND IT ON YOU, YOU'ED SAY BYE TO IF IT HAPPENED TO YOU DADADA DA DA.

I wish we could start another take back campaign but there is too many people blissfully accepting this crap 

They have been indoctrinated.

saddly very true

ill be willing to start another take back campaign ir you are with me we can rally the real gamers (like us.) to put back BW back against the wall. come on gamers! we deserve a better ending for not just the 100 hours we put in ME series but the countless we spent playing DA 1 and 2 KOTR Baldurs Gate Jade Empire Neverwinter Nights. I feel played I don't know about the rest of you

[Journeyman313]

Moirai wrote...

No idea whether this has been suggested before, since there are just too many posts to wade through. But, personally, I fail to see why the Normandy 'medivac' scene could not have been inserted after the fight to defend the missile launchers. After all, that was a tough fight: three against all those Reapers, etc.

Getting your understandably badly injured team out then would have made sense at that point and been far more believable and appropriate, given that you had stopped to rally with Anderson's forces anyway.

you are obviously smarter then BW and there Autistic vision

[THESETH256]

J5550123 wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

That was the only scene I wanted them to add and if they didn't, then this "Extended Cut" was pointless to me. If they had added it, they would have redeemed themselves a bit, but oh well.

Well....what do you expect for free?

One more scene is not much. Others will agree with that.

Don't you think,that the scene in destroy ending is much better,than actual reunion scene,that would be cliche?Liara intends to put his name on deceased list,but she stops,and looks at it with faith(in other endings she places the badge on list).Then you have Shepard's breathe-this all means that they reunioned later.

[sdinc009]

Ozida wrote...

I am just curious: if there was an ending that had an epic battle in it, your EMS mattered and Shepard could die/ live in the end depending on your previous choices, but it was a paid DLC and it would come out in a 1-2 years, how many people would actually buy it? (I know, I would ).

1-2 years probably not. By then, I'm done with all of this. If it was sooner, maybe

[PMED]

Drayce333 wrote...

You can reject the endings that starchild offers you.

Doing so will fade the scene to black then you see the next cycle, the liara hologram will talk about how they couldn't stop the reapers in their cycle.

Its garbage and a F U from bioware.

You can also shoot him a few times..... That's what I did out of rage and his voice changes and the same thing will happen.

[Journeyman313]

sdinc009 wrote...

Ozida wrote...

I am just curious: if there was an ending that had an epic battle in it, your EMS mattered and Shepard could die/ live in the end depending on your previous choices, but it was a paid DLC and it would come out in a 1-2 years, how many people would actually buy it? (I know, I would ).

1-2 years probably not. By then, I'm done with all of this. If it was sooner, maybe

hey IM starting a new forum take back ME3 part2 check it out.(I feel my request to BW is fair they can keep red,blue,green ending, but all we really want is true science fiction that what we signed on for)

[A Sinister Lamb]

I really feel like I'm the only person that was happy with the original ending. It was lacklustre, but I enjoyed it. The extended cut was what the ending should have been all along, so I'm grateful for it's addition. The use of concept art at the end was a bit meh, but in all honesty, I just don't think fans were ever going to be happy with what they were given. At least now we can all forget about the indoctrination theory, 'cause, let's be honest, it was ridiculous.

[sdinc009]

PMED wrote...

Drayce333 wrote...

You can reject the endings that starchild offers you.

Doing so will fade the scene to black then you see the next cycle, the liara hologram will talk about how they couldn't stop the reapers in their cycle.

Its garbage and a F U from bioware.

You can also shoot him a few times..... That's what I did out of rage and his voice changes and the same thing will happen.

 Shooting him was the first thing I did so I got that ending first. There is a difference in that if you verbally refuse him you get a little space combat cinematic before the future hologram ending

[Journeyman313]

A Sinister Lamb wrote...

I really feel like I'm the only person that was happy with the original ending. It was lacklustre, but I enjoyed it. The extended cut was what the ending should have been all along, so I'm grateful for it's addition. The use of concept art at the end was a bit meh, but in all honesty, I just don't think fans were ever going to be happy with what they were given. At least now we can all forget about the indoctrination theory, 'cause, let's be honest, it was ridiculous.

you want to know what I think? I think that you are entitled to an explanation of how the crucible actually works

[sdinc009]

Journeyman313 wrote...

sdinc009 wrote...

Ozida wrote...

I am just curious: if there was an ending that had an epic battle in it, your EMS mattered and Shepard could die/ live in the end depending on your previous choices, but it was a paid DLC and it would come out in a 1-2 years, how many people would actually buy it? (I know, I would ).

1-2 years probably not. By then, I'm done with all of this. If it was sooner, maybe

hey IM starting a new forum take back ME3 part2 check it out.(I feel my request to BW is fair they can keep red,blue,green ending, but all we really want is true science fiction that what we signed on for)

Post a link

[wrdnshprd]

RenegonSQ wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...



Just calling it how I see it. I've seen too many complaints like "All I wanted as a reunion with my LI. Since Biowaare didn't do this, screw all of the extra effort you put into clarifying your garbage ending"

That, to me, is being a baby.

And I get where you're coming from with the happy ending option, but I feell like a happy ending to the Mass Effect trilogy, given all the events that took place up until the very end, would not have fit the story in any way.

I agree that just because it didn't work out like people hoped it would, that's no reason to say BioWare's effort was for nothing.  What they did was remarkable, a lot of companies wouldn't do it, and for me it improved the game a lot and made me appreciate the endings they had, when I didn't appreciate them before.

The control ending especially was fun to see.  It made me think of Kyle Katarn deciding to become a sith lord.  I didn't like that ending at all until they expanded it.

Deep down I really hate the Control choice, even more now with the EC lol. You fight against Reapers the entire trilogy, so at the end you can become the Reaper God? Come on lol. I mean it's cool if your into "joining forces with the evil," but I'd choose Synthesis before I would choose Control. But I'm very biased towards choosing Destroy so take what I say with a grain of salt lol

with control, shepard was presented with a way  to keep everyone alive, synthetic and organic life alike.. and on top of everything stop the reaper threat. thus i dont really see the issue.  in his shoes, i would have probably done the same thing.

the destroy ending is the next best option.. but wiping out all of synthetic life to accomplish the mission,  is not an option IMO..

and sorry, not doing synthesis..  synthesis is fine as an option.. i just wouldnt choose it.  you could argue synthesis gives you the same benefits as control.. and you would be correct.. however, humans and synthetics didnt choose the merge.. shepard chose for them.  and do we really know what the lasting effects of merging will be? 

at lest with control.. its pretty strait forward.. its just a new AI.  yes, another AI could take over at some point.  but you could have said something similar about the geth if you saved them.  and at least in my playthrough i was willing to take that chance.  thus, i didnt see any issue with going the control ending route.

[Journeyman313]

wrdnshprd wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...



Just calling it how I see it. I've seen too many complaints like "All I wanted as a reunion with my LI. Since Biowaare didn't do this, screw all of the extra effort you put into clarifying your garbage ending"

That, to me, is being a baby.

And I get where you're coming from with the happy ending option, but I feell like a happy ending to the Mass Effect trilogy, given all the events that took place up until the very end, would not have fit the story in any way.

I agree that just because it didn't work out like people hoped it would, that's no reason to say BioWare's effort was for nothing.  What they did was remarkable, a lot of companies wouldn't do it, and for me it improved the game a lot and made me appreciate the endings they had, when I didn't appreciate them before.

The control ending especially was fun to see.  It made me think of Kyle Katarn deciding to become a sith lord.  I didn't like that ending at all until they expanded it.

Deep down I really hate the Control choice, even more now with the EC lol. You fight against Reapers the entire trilogy, so at the end you can become the Reaper God? Come on lol. I mean it's cool if your into "joining forces with the evil," but I'd choose Synthesis before I would choose Control. But I'm very biased towards choosing Destroy so take what I say with a grain of salt lol

with control, shepard was presented with a way  to keep everyone alive, synthetic and organic life alike.. and on top of everything stop the reaper threat. thus i dont really see the issue.  in his shoes, i would have probably done the same thing.

the destroy ending is the next best option.. but wiping out all of synthetic life to accomplish the mission,  is not an option IMO..

and sorry, not doing synthesis..  synthesis is fine as an option.. i just wouldnt choose it.  you could argue synthesis gives you the same benefits as control.. and you would be correct.. however, humans and synthetics didnt choose the merge.. shepard chose for them.  and do we really know what the lasting effects of merging will be? 

at lest with control.. its pretty strait forward.. its just a new AI.  yes, another AI could take over at some point.  but you could have said something similar about the geth if you saved them.  and at least in my playthrough i was willing to take that chance.  thus, i didnt see any issue with going the control ending route.

My issue with the ending is ME began with science fiction and ended with majical themes introduced at the last minute, hey IM starting a new forum take back ME 3 part2 (my request is fair All I want is true science fiction BW can keep red,blue,green endings)

[Journeyman313]

heres the link to my new forum for gamers Take Back ME 3http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12865685

[stonbw1]

Personally, I loved the EC (though I didn't hate the original ending either). For me, ME become a story of strangers becoming brothers-in-arms, friends, and even lovers. I guess all I ever wanted from the ME3 ending was a meaningful farewell; I didn't necessarily need answers to all the other questions.

[3DandBeyond]

wrdnshprd wrote...


with control, shepard was presented with a way  to keep everyone alive, synthetic and organic life alike.. and on top of everything stop the reaper threat. thus i dont really see the issue.  in his shoes, i would have probably done the same thing.

the destroy ending is the next best option.. but wiping out all of synthetic life to accomplish the mission,  is not an option IMO..

and sorry, not doing synthesis..  synthesis is fine as an option.. i just wouldnt choose it.  you could argue synthesis gives you the same benefits as control.. and you would be correct.. however, humans and synthetics didnt choose the merge.. shepard chose for them.  and do we really know what the lasting effects of merging will be? 

at lest with control.. its pretty strait forward.. its just a new AI.  yes, another AI could take over at some point.  but you could have said something similar about the geth if you saved them.  and at least in my playthrough i was willing to take that chance.  thus, i didnt see any issue with going the control ending route.

I still see no best option though I choose destroy because that was always the goal and it was all considered a suicide run so...though I am so opposed to killing EDI and the geth.

Control, I'm sorry it's as bad as the rest.  Shepard becomes a god and the reapers now live in the neighborhood but do everything for you.  You need not learn how to make relays or any new tech, the reapers will do it for you.  They are the galaxy police now.  People have no reason to do anything, learn anything.  And best of all that reaper over there may have your cousin's goo inside him.  Welcome to the neighborhood.  Say hi to Bob for me.

Also, you guys need to really listen to what Shepard says in that control speech.  The music is not cheery and what Shepard says is ominous as well, leaving open the idea (not talking DLC, but head canon) that Shepard will have the potential to become like the kid.  After all the kid, was the sum of all the reapers and Shepard has become the catalyst.

[Jassu1979]

StElmo wrote...

Why can't people realize that the catalyst is an AI/VI gone wrong. Sure it is a sloppy ending, but the concept is actually really awesome. SPace magic and plot holes are holding it back, but it's definitely a cool concept.

In theory, and in another game - probably.

In the Mass Effect universe, reducing the Reapers to mere puppets following a glaringly absurd rationale (rather than preserving their status as almost godlike hive-minds who treat "lesser" species like cattle)? Not at all.

Introducing a new character in the final five minutes is almost always a guaranteed failure, unless you've intended that final revelation all along and foreshadowed the arrival throughout the narrative. And even then, you'd better make sure that the foreshadowing is pretty subtle, or else it's going to fail nonetheless.

See, if the Catalyst AI had been what they intended all along, they could have set it up from the start. As it is, however, it is basically incompatible with what we learned about the Mass Effect universe up to that point, and its "shocking revelation" simply does not add up.