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#226
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It is a bit unfair to color every person who picks Destroy with the same brush. Red...(sorry, bad pun).

Even if the majority of what you have seen and heard suggests that all Destroy-pickers are only interested in their own happiness, that is still an unfair view.

I remained completely spoiler free during my first run of ME3. I was aware of the the negative opinion on it, but I did not know any details on what happens.

When the time came to make my choice, I had no idea that Shepard could live in the Destroy ending. The Starkid even implied that Shepard would die because of being "partly synthetic." I made a choice based on the knowledge I had. Control and Synthesis were unknowns to me, and seemed like wild cards.

Only ten minutes earlier, My Shepard argued against Control to the Illusive Man. He didn't believe it was his right to take command of that kind of power. My Shepard didn't believe anyone was in the right to, especially not himself.

Synthesis was even more of an unknown, and something he's been fighting against since he saw how it affected Saren and David Archer. He believed in the unity through diversity. He had no idea to what extent the Synthesis would affect everyone. It wasn't his call to make a decision that would affect the very basis of our being.

Destroy was something Shepard could understand. It was a decision he felt was what he, and everyone in the entire galaxy, has been fighting for since the very beginning: To destroy the Reapers and create our own future.

And it still took me forever on my first play through to make that choice. I loved EDI's character arc from ME2 to ME3, and she was a squadmate and character I loved interacting with. Legion is one of my top favorite characters in the ME universe. And his death was one of the top truly emotional scenes for me in ME3. When I think of the Geth, I see Legion, and that is one of th reasons I loved the Geth. So it was a horrible choice to make. A sincerely difficult one.

As far as I knew during my playthrough, Shepard would die in each ending. So, I made a decision with what I knew, and what I felt was right. My Shepard felt like he owed it to everyone who gave their lives to stop the Reapers. It was what they gave their lives for, it is what they fought for, it was what my Shepard was willing to die for, and he felt by doing anything else was a diservice to their sacrifice.

There is no way to sugarcoat that decision. An entire race has been extinguished, and the life of a dear friend and crewmate. I am not trying to say it was the best call. It was a heavy sacrifice, but one that must be made to truly end the Reaper threat.

I can't justify the decision. It's genocide. But I would like you to understand that it is not a choice that all Destroy-enders made happily, or selfishly.


I want to clarify that I don't have any problem with the idea of picking Destroy. I don't even think it's wrong to think that Destroy is the least bad choice. I have a problem with the idea of picking destroy and then thinking that you did nothing wrong.

A minority of Destroy people have talked about how their Shepard still considers it genocide, and feels that it was a bad, horrible decision to have to make. I have no problem with their decision, I respect it and I don't disagree with it in any way.

What troubles me is that people who still think all three endings are morally questionable (and perhaps thematically revolting, depending on your perception of theme) are a tiny minority. The vast majority of people on this board are posting pages and pages about how happy and perfect destroy is. Post after post that boil down to "Lol, and nothing of value was lost." They liken it to sacrificing a single platoon in a battle, or leaving a single soldier behind on a battlefield - something you regret for a second but then immediately discard. Heck, dozens of people mention destroy and reunion without even acknowledging that anyone died at all. They mention nothing but the ending's perfection and their own  happiness.

I'm not bothered by the idea of destroy, and I respect those who consider it a truly horrible thing that just happened to be less horrible to them than anything else.

I'm bothered by the way that destroy seems to be leading a huge number of people to dismiss or minimize the act of wiping out an entire race of sentients and declare themselves completely satisfied and happy with the endings in every way.

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lordofdogtown19 wrote...

carnage009 wrote...

Those who liked EC are not true fans of Mass Effect Franchise


That's complete bull. I'm a die hard ME fan and the EC definetly made the endings better. 



Exactly! How dare you judging people by what they like and dislike? I hated the original endings real bad but EC made them a lot better! 

So, if you still don't like it, I'm sorry for you, but there's nothing we Fellow-Fans can do about it.

Modifié par DoktorAffentanz, 26 juin 2012 - 11:30 .


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lordofdogtown19 wrote...

carnage009 wrote...

Those who liked EC are not true fans of Mass Effect Franchise


That's complete bull. I'm a die hard ME fan and the EC definetly made the endings better. 


R u serious the only thing i like about EC was i could see Miranda's face after choosing, everything else was like "u wanted satisfaction here take it if it wont do then thats not our problem we already have ur money and ur past 5 years". 

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Allow me to cast my vote in with BW for these endings. I'm even willing to go the control route now, it reminds me a lot of Star Trek the motion picture. I was more disappointed with the original ending than hurt, but this....these were very well executed. Thank you Bioware!

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Yeah, i thought the EC was great, not perfect but still great. Faith in bioware is mostly restored

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Agreed. Thanks to them for listening and taking the time to actually provide this to their fans. They could have easily refused to do so, but didn't. Looking forward to actual SP DLC to come now.

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OK, just finished my first EC ending, went with control first, and I must say, my epilogue/dialogue at the end, explaining who I was, and what I've become and how i will handle my business now was well written... I actually feel... heroic and more than a little like a bad-ass force for organics now.
And I wept, so that's always good.

It's more like what the ending should have been, tho I'm still too tainted by what it was originally to really say if it would have been a great ending if we hadn't had what we did.

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Bravo, bravo. Bravo for not changing one damn thing that was wrong in your game properly.

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the ending and the new music made me stay with the catalyst after the conversation

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*Sighs* BioWare you b*stards.

*Grinds teeth together*

<Grudgingly> Thanks. To an extent that is. It wasn't perfect but... whatever. Thanks.

Modifié par Merchant2006, 26 juin 2012 - 11:35 .


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Okay, I HATED HATED HATED the original endings. SO MUCH.

... I liked this. I went in expecting to be utterly disappointed. I instead felt it was extremely well done.

Is it perfect? Oh, hell no. But the fact they managed to address 90% of the massive list of problems the original ending had is impressive. The endings work so much better, the feeling of accomplishment is so much stronger, and the personal investment towards your crew and love interest pays off in dividends.

It's apparent they did listen, they did try, and they did address an overwhelming number of problems people had, and the final product now is significantly more satisfying. It may not be an "A+", but it pretty much went from a flat "F" to an encouraging "B".

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DoktorAffentanz wrote...

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

carnage009 wrote...

Those who liked EC are not true fans of Mass Effect Franchise


That's complete bull. I'm a die hard ME fan and the EC definetly made the endings better. 



Exactly! How dare you judging people by what they like and dislike? I hated the original endings real bad but EC made them a lot better! 

So, if you still don't like it, I'm sorry for you, but there's nothing we Fellow-Fans can do about it.


Lookman the endings have improved but still there is no closure or personalisation, How can a 5 years old superfranchise end like this??? 

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Oh well. "C+" from me. I never had any high hopes for this EC. Still don't see why they didn't do this in a first place. The games are good, the ending is still meh, but at least it's a bit more logical meh.
P.S. Star-dawg still sucks.

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I really liked what they did, if this would have been with the release I would have given it an 10/10.
(I did that Control and synt ending, saving the Destroy ending for another playthrough)

And I would also like to apologise for the hate I may have thrown out there, and thank you for this amazing experience.

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Seeing this CYA dlc made me think.I have something better to do with my time.On a positive note.It was better than DA 2.I went Control.even thought the meeting with space boy he channeled Barney Fife.He was military so sacrificing others was a wrong answer.The whole game with the exception of two missions and the quest that went with it was at best average.I will never pre order from BW again.

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carnage009 wrote...

DoktorAffentanz wrote...

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

carnage009 wrote...

Those who liked EC are not true fans of Mass Effect Franchise


That's complete bull. I'm a die hard ME fan and the EC definetly made the endings better. 



Exactly! How dare you judging people by what they like and dislike? I hated the original endings real bad but EC made them a lot better! 

So, if you still don't like it, I'm sorry for you, but there's nothing we Fellow-Fans can do about it.


Lookman the endings have improved but still there is no closure or personalisation, How can a 5 years old superfranchise end like this??? 


Cmon just **** off !
Crawl into a bush somewhere and die, since you obviously cant find any happiness in life.

Modifié par Samurai_Smartie, 27 juin 2012 - 02:02 .


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ReD BaKen9

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Loved the ending

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I really appreciated the work put into EC. Not only did we get extended cutscenes, we got brand new art, new dialogue (ergo they paid for voice actors to come back), we got a great speech from Admiral Hackett, and a touching new scene with the plaques on the Normandy.

All of that, for free - because BioWare does have class.

Flame and make fun of what I posted all you want - the people that wanted to **** and complain were going to hate the ending no matter what BioWare did - Haters gonna hate.

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They get an A from me. Would have been great to have a short reunion clip a la ME1 for the Destroy ending (that would make it an A+). Other than that, I thought it was excellent. Was it perfect? No, but the only way it would have been perfect for me would be if I had written it myself. It was great. I went from completely losing the urge to play any of the games again to actually being excited to try different variations.

I'd also be perfectly happy to buy DLC now. Reunion, Bioware? ;)

Modifié par Danja91, 27 juin 2012 - 02:44 .


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thisisme8 wrote...

I really appreciated the work put into EC. Not only did we get extended cutscenes, we got brand new art, new dialogue (ergo they paid for voice actors to come back), we got a great speech from Admiral Hackett, and a touching new scene with the plaques on the Normandy.

All of that, for free - because BioWare does have class.

Flame and make fun of what I posted all you want - the people that wanted to **** and complain were going to hate the ending no matter what BioWare did - Haters gonna hate.


If you enjoy it.More power to you.I just wish you would get new talking points.To bad you people who hate others for not liking it can't understand others have a different view.Then again you were going to love it and attacks other who didnt before you even seen it.You haters are going to hate.

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lol idk why some ppl are so ecstatic over the same endings we got 3 months ago, their choices still don't matter. guess they're easy to please. I dunno about you but I was piiisssseddd

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comrade gando wrote...

lol idk why some ppl are so ecstatic over the same endings we got 3 months ago, their choices still don't matter. guess they're easy to please. I dunno about you but I was piiisssseddd


I started to nod listening to Space boy again.

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comrade gando wrote...

lol idk why some ppl are so ecstatic over the same endings we got 3 months ago, their choices still don't matter. guess they're easy to please. I dunno about you but I was piiisssseddd


I find the endings to be quite different and satisfying. Choices do matter, we actually see the effects of the Genophage being cured, helping the quarians/geth, etc. We also see how different control/synth/destroy really are. 

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OP, I completely concur. And I don't give a damn about people who still aren't satisfied.

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Agreed. Here here BioWare!