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[Ieldra]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Crusina wrote...
The point of the endings was to create the ending you wanted how you wanted. You could view destroy as a  "for the greater good ending" or a  "the only choice" see what I mean?

It isn't just geoncide for the fun of it.

No, but it is genocide to save your own life.

Shepard living is the only benefit you get from committing that genocide. Many people playing the endings now know that going in, so they're choosing to commit genocide merely to save their own lives.

I think your concern is the main reason why they didn't add a reunion scene but left it to the players' imagination. None of the endings should feel like a reward. But in the end, you can't force people to care.

[shurryy]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

THIS WAS AMAZING! MY DESTROY WAS WOW....THANK YOU GUYS

And all you had to do to get it was commit genocide!

Truly, you deserve a happy ending the most, because of your willingness to end the lives of an entire sentient race. Congratulations!

Except... Of course... That he didn't. 
It's a game that leaves people satsified, if you leave with a happy feeling after playing a game, you make a successful game... That's what matters. 

[Mcfly616]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Yeah....I don't understand what people don't get about the symbolism of the destroy ending....destroy technology, destroy the Reapers.....

I guess you never heard the saying "no sacrifice, no victory"....

Learn it....its the truth

To clarify again: the problem isn't that there is a sacrifice, it's that the particular sacrifice in question correlates with particularly horrific historical events, and leaves bigots feeling vindicated.

Anyone who hates the geth CAN achieve victory with no sacrifice, and I've seen them bragging about it here for months. So the ending as it stands completley disproves you "no sacrifice, no victory" stance, because those who don't consider the geth to have value feel like they are given victory on a silver platter by a game that supports their stance.

It's war lady....have you been to war? Sometimes its "you or them".....I had feeling towards the geth....they had free will and had gained intelligence....Legion saved my ass more than once. and he was one of the noblest characters in the series....I looked at EDI like a big brother teaching his little sis about life.....

I didn't have some plan to round up all synthetic beings and systematically whipe them from existence by way of Pizza Oven(there goes your "historical events" reference, right out the window).....I made it where no man has ever made it before....I was presented with a hard choice to finish what I started and Destroy the Reapers and end the cycle forever......l chose organic life over the Geth in order to achieve this....us or them....I.chose us.....without compromising who I am. And who everybody else is(synthesis)

Modifié par Mcfly616, 26 juin 2012 - 01:13 .

[Crusina]

You decide what is correct, and part of making decisions is understanding the consequences. If Bioware said that control ending is all happiness to the end of time, I'd be upset because in my mind at some point that would change. Shepard might go crazy, or civilization just couldn't co-exist and a galactic war erupted again.

I realize many of you probably won't be happy to realize that, but the endings are left open like that for a reason, so Bioware can include every single ending a person wants, and nobody would be right or wrong.

Modifié par Crusina, 26 juin 2012 - 01:14 .

[zimrino]

I cried at the end....and i'm not ashamed to say that, it was a beautiful ending that was enhanced by my romanced ashley, and the whole storyline, i just need to know, the breath at the end?! gah!!!!

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Mcfly616 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Yeah....I don't understand what people don't get about the symbolism of the destroy ending....destroy technology, destroy the Reapers.....

I guess you never heard the saying "no sacrifice, no victory"....

Learn it....its the truth

To clarify again: the problem isn't that there is a sacrifice, it's that the particular sacrifice in question correlates with particularly horrific historical events, and leaves bigots feeling vindicated.

Anyone who hates the geth CAN achieve victory with no sacrifice, and I've seen them bragging about it here for months. So the ending as it stands completley disproves you "no sacrifice, no victory" stance, because those who don't consider the geth to have value feel like they are given victory on a silver platter by a game that supports their stance.

It's war lady....have you been to war? Sometimes its "you or them".....I had feeling towards the geth....they had free will and had gained intelligence....Legion saved my ass more than once. and he was one of the noblest characters in the series....I looked at EDI like a big brother teaching his little sis about life.....

I didn't have some plan to round up all synthetic beings and systematically while them from existence by way of Pizza Oven(there goes your "historical events" reference, right out the window).....I made it where no man has ever made it before....I was presented with a hard choice to finish what I started and Destroy the Reapers and end the cycle forever......l chose organic life over the Geth in order to achieve this....us or them....I.chose us.....without compromising who I am. And who everybody else is(synthesis)

Right. And because "who you are" is someone capable of genocide, you were rewarded.

That is my entire point: anyone who does not feel that committing genocide compromises "who they are" has an advantage in this game.

The only character I have like that is a sociopath. 

[Nerevar-as]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

JohnTheJohn wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

JohnTheJohn wrote...

Destroy ending was... pretty good. My mind hasn't been blown or anything but it's a nice ending with hope. You won me over Bioware!

*Grins evilly* Wait until you get to Synthesis.

Wasn't planning on checking it out cause Destroy made me happy enough, is it better?

Depends on your defination of 'better'. Some people say it's beautiful, some say it's creepy. I personally LAUGHED at Kasumi's personal ending.

CAN YOU PAINT WITH ALL THE COLOURS OF THE WIND~~~~~~~~~~?

That image was really creepy. She´s so desperate that settles for an holographic copy of Keiji.

I still don´t see how it solves the Singularity issue, new AIs will be only synthetic and could rebel and threaten hybrid life, this is just a reset. I also don´t believe everybody would be so happy with being changed by an energy wave into an hybrid lifeform. But I get the feeling this is going to be ME4 canon start.. And as with Control, I wonder what new enemy will appear than can threat the now friendly Reapers.

[Vandalisme]

The universe is saved! What a great day, 1.3 swtor patch, ME3 endings finally fixed (at least im watching a stream cause i live in europe and have it on the pc). bioware

[eags]

Mcfly616 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Yeah....I don't understand what people don't get about the symbolism of the destroy ending....destroy technology, destroy the Reapers.....

I guess you never heard the saying "no sacrifice, no victory"....

Learn it....its the truth

To clarify again: the problem isn't that there is a sacrifice, it's that the particular sacrifice in question correlates with particularly horrific historical events, and leaves bigots feeling vindicated.

Anyone who hates the geth CAN achieve victory with no sacrifice, and I've seen them bragging about it here for months. So the ending as it stands completley disproves you "no sacrifice, no victory" stance, because those who don't consider the geth to have value feel like they are given victory on a silver platter by a game that supports their stance.

It's war lady....have you been to war? Sometimes its "you or them".....I had feeling towards the geth....they had free will and had gained intelligence....Legion saved my ass more than once. and he was one of the noblest characters in the series....I looked at EDI like a big brother teaching his little sis about life.....

I didn't have some plan to round up all synthetic beings and systematically whipe them from existence by way of Pizza Oven(there goes your "historical events" reference, right out the window).....I made it where no man has ever made it before....I was presented with a hard choice to finish what I started and Destroy the Reapers and end the cycle forever......l chose organic life over the Geth in order to achieve this....us or them....I.chose us.....without compromising who I am. And who everybody else is(synthesis)

Also they're god damned toasters so f#@k them anyway.  It's not genocide if you can make a backup...

[Mcfly616]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Yeah....I don't understand what people don't get about the symbolism of the destroy ending....destroy technology, destroy the Reapers.....

I guess you never heard the saying "no sacrifice, no victory"....

Learn it....its the truth

To clarify again: the problem isn't that there is a sacrifice, it's that the particular sacrifice in question correlates with particularly horrific historical events, and leaves bigots feeling vindicated.

Anyone who hates the geth CAN achieve victory with no sacrifice, and I've seen them bragging about it here for months. So the ending as it stands completley disproves you "no sacrifice, no victory" stance, because those who don't consider the geth to have value feel like they are given victory on a silver platter by a game that supports their stance.

It's war lady....have you been to war? Sometimes its "you or them".....I had feeling towards the geth....they had free will and had gained intelligence....Legion saved my ass more than once. and he was one of the noblest characters in the series....I looked at EDI like a big brother teaching his little sis about life.....

I didn't have some plan to round up all synthetic beings and systematically while them from existence by way of Pizza Oven(there goes your "historical events" reference, right out the window).....I made it where no man has ever made it before....I was presented with a hard choice to finish what I started and Destroy the Reapers and end the cycle forever......l chose organic life over the Geth in order to achieve this....us or them....I.chose us.....without compromising who I am. And who everybody else is(synthesis)

Right. And because "who you are" is someone capable of genocide, you were rewarded.

That is my entire point: anyone who does not feel that committing genocide compromises "who they are" has an advantage in this game.

The only character I have like that is a sociopath. 

Look....I'm sorry you didnt get your Fairy Tale Ending....


Or maybe you did....in that case I'm guessing you chose synthesis, because the flashlights live.....

If that's not a crime, idk what is....pass it to the left...

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Crusina wrote...

You decide what is correct, and part of making decisions is understanding the consequences. If Bioware said that control ending is all happiness to the end of time, I'd be upset because in my mind at some point that would change. Shepard might go crazy, or civilization just couldn't co-exist and a galactic war erupted again.

I realize many of you probably won't be happy to realize that, but the endings are left open like that for a reason, so Bioware can include every single ending a person wants, and nobody would be right or wrong.

I'm fine with the endings left open, I actually wish they had been left more open, with whether Shepard lives or dies not established in any of the endings. That would have made it feel less like they were rewarding genocide, to me, personally.

I know I have a weird hangup about genocide, but let's just say that genocide is a pet peeve of mine. I'm against it!

[Maggot Alchemist]

Thank you BW...My faith has been restored.

[Crusina]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...



Right. And because "who you are" is someone capable of genocide, you were rewarded.

That is my entire point: anyone who does not feel that committing genocide compromises "who they are" has an advantage in this game.

The only character I have like that is a sociopath. 

No no no no no

THAT IS NOT THE POINT.

YOUR OPINION, YOUR SHEPARD IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS.

Others view it as the right option, while you view it as the wrong. The whole point of the endings, is so that everyone can be right in their own mind. Whether or not you agree with others is completely irrelavent. I think destroy is the right ending. If I had been there, I would choose destroy because I believed in that ending.

Because I don't think Genocide is right either, but if I were standing there, if I were Shepard, I wouldn't trust the other opitions, if this was real, I wouldn't know the exact reprocussions of control and combine, but I do know the result of Destroy.

Reapers gone for good. No chances. I choose the one that will save everyone in my mind.

Modifié par Crusina, 26 juin 2012 - 01:21 .

[nicocap24]

Mcfly616 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Yeah....I don't understand what people don't get about the symbolism of the destroy ending....destroy technology, destroy the Reapers.....

I guess you never heard the saying "no sacrifice, no victory"....

Learn it....its the truth

To clarify again: the problem isn't that there is a sacrifice, it's that the particular sacrifice in question correlates with particularly horrific historical events, and leaves bigots feeling vindicated.

Anyone who hates the geth CAN achieve victory with no sacrifice, and I've seen them bragging about it here for months. So the ending as it stands completley disproves you "no sacrifice, no victory" stance, because those who don't consider the geth to have value feel like they are given victory on a silver platter by a game that supports their stance.

It's war lady....have you been to war? Sometimes its "you or them".....I had feeling towards the geth....they had free will and had gained intelligence....Legion saved my ass more than once. and he was one of the noblest characters in the series....I looked at EDI like a big brother teaching his little sis about life.....

I didn't have some plan to round up all synthetic beings and systematically while them from existence by way of Pizza Oven(there goes your "historical events" reference, right out the window).....I made it where no man has ever made it before....I was presented with a hard choice to finish what I started and Destroy the Reapers and end the cycle forever......l chose organic life over the Geth in order to achieve this....us or them....I.chose us.....without compromising who I am. And who everybody else is(synthesis)

Right. And because "who you are" is someone capable of genocide, you were rewarded.

That is my entire point: anyone who does not feel that committing genocide compromises "who they are" has an advantage in this game.

The only character I have like that is a sociopath. 

Look....I'm sorry you didnt get your Fairy Tale Ending....


Or maybe you did....in that case I'm guessing you chose synthesis, because the flashlights live.....

If that's not a crime, idk what is....pass it to the left...

Geez, everyone is so aggressive. 

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Mcfly616 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
l chose organic life over the Geth in order to achieve this....us or them....I.chose us.....without compromising who I am. And who everybody else is(synthesis)

Right. And because "who you are" is someone capable of genocide, you were rewarded.

That is my entire point: anyone who does not feel that committing genocide compromises "who they are" has an advantage in this game.

The only character I have like that is a sociopath. 

Look....I'm sorry you didnt get your Fairy Tale Ending....


Or maybe you did....in that case I'm guessing you chose synthesis, because the flashlights live.....

If that's not a crime, idk what is....pass it to the left...

I'm sorry you did get your fairy tale ending.

Because you consider "acceptable genocide" to be a thing that exists, you get to live happily ever after without compromising who you are. That's a fairy tale ending if I've ever heard of one.

And this is exactly why I say that the ending rewards genocide: because genocide leads to the fairy tale ending. Do you know how many fairy tales include murder at the end? Quite a few!

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 26 juin 2012 - 01:23 .

[Reiella]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Right. And because "who you are" is someone capable of genocide, you were rewarded.

That is my entire point: anyone who does not feel that committing genocide compromises "who they are" has an advantage in this game.

The only character I have like that is a sociopath. 

Not quite, the EMS requirements flip based on the import status of ME2 and what you did with the Collector Base. Control has the low value options to succeed if you kept the base intact.

Might not be the decision path you liked to get that advantage, and may result in you doing other things you find questionable, but *shrug*, you can always just do a few more sidequests.

Unless there's some other advantage you're referring to?

[ edit ]
ah, the breath scene is still destroy exclusive, awesome fun that. Makes sense with regards to Control at least, not sure on Synth.

Modifié par Reiella, 26 juin 2012 - 02:01 .

[Rossa14]

I have only seen the endings via youtube (PC player here lol), but i must say, Bioware, well done. I admit i didn't really like the endings as they were, but i recon this DLC adds enough to the point where (most) people will be satisfied, but still very curious; and that's a good thing!

If these were the original endings, i would have been alright with that. Your extra efforts that went into the EC were not for nothing Bioware, i can say that much.

Modifié par Rossa14, 26 juin 2012 - 01:24 .

[OdanUrr]

Crusina wrote...

YOUR OPINION, YOUR SHEPARD IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS.

This. I don't understand why people want to argue this or that is the only choice when each of our Shepards are different people. After all, the idea is to roleplay, isn't it?

[Ieldra]

@CGG:
There are always possible circumstances where doing X (insert almost any crime) can be justified. I understand - and agree - that getting the extra reward of Shepard's survival is galling, but your Shepard doesn't need to be a sociopath to believe that the galaxy is best off with dead Reapers, and that this justifies the death of the geth.

I'm more concerned about the metagaming perspective, namely, that the ending is written in a way that sends the message that synthetics aren't true people. The original ending certainly does, with its talk of "rebellion" as if there was a natural hierarchy between organics and synthetics. I have yet to see how the EC fares....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juin 2012 - 01:29 .

[Vandalisme]

john_sheparrd wrote...

The extended cut is garbage because there is no real LI reunion!!

At least they say goodbye now. LI reuinion would have killed it for me. EC endings are great. My little pony ending would have sucked so hard i would have broken my disc in half.

Also control ending is awesome now, really creepy ish and cool.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Crusina wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Right. And because "who you are" is someone capable of genocide, you were rewarded.

That is my entire point: anyone who does not feel that committing genocide compromises "who they are" has an advantage in this game.

The only character I have like that is a sociopath. 

No no no no no

THAT IS NOT THE POINT.

YOUR OPINION, YOUR SHEPARD IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS.

Others view it as the right option, while you view it as the wrong. The whole point of the endings, is so that everyone can be right in their own mind. Whether or not you agree with others is completely irrelavent. I think destroy is the right ending. If I had been there, I would choose destroy because I believed in that ending.

Because I don't think Genocide is right either, but if I were standing there, if I were Shepard, I wouldn't trust the other opitions, if this was real, I wouldn't know the exact reprocussions of control and combine, but I do know the result of Destroy.

Reapers gone for good. No chances. I choose the one that will save everyone in my mind.

I'm sorry to seem to be arguing with you, you seem very nice and reasonable.

I'm not saying that your shepard is evil for picking destroy, or wrong. I'm saying that I don't think that ending should be directly connected to whether or not Shepard lives or dies.

Because it is the only ending where Shepard can live, many people consider it a "reward" for making the "right" choice. This also means that people who hate the Geth or who consider them to be "toasters" get the happiest possible ending without having to feel like they made any kind of sacrifice or difficult choice.

I wish that destroy had other possible consequences, so that people who hate the Geth would still feel like they were making a real sacrifice, instead of feeling like they were getting off scott free. Does that make sense?