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[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

It's funny how they turned a bad ending into a pretty good one. Enjoyed it.

[Sunshroud]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
No, but it is genocide to save your own life.
Shepard living is the only benefit you get from committing that genocide. Many people playing the endings now know that going in, so they're choosing to commit genocide merely to save their own lives.

Maybe for some people. For me not so much. I always end up picking destroy but not just because I like the idea of Shepard being alive (I really want my fem!shep to be able to have turian babies with Garrus). But also because out of the three options it's the one that seems to have fewer unknowns. Yes the geth and EDI die, but you know for a fact that the reapers will never be a problem ever again. Even with the EC if I were in Shep's shoes I don't think that the explinations given would be enough to make an informed decision. Also, I'm not sure I would even trust the Catalyst to tell me the whole truth. Picking destroy means that all organics will be able to choose their own future and how they evolve.

Synthesis provides a great ending, but I still can't get over the forced eugenics.

[Twilight Muffin]

 Thank you bioware for not paying attention to any of your fans thank you for completly dimising our ideas of the indoctrination and sticking to your so called "vision". and while yes the cut clear up your terribly placed events it still does not clean up the heaping pile of garbage that you left behind. the plot holes are still feel endless and you did noting to listen to your fans when are you going to learn that just because you made the game dosnt mean its yours completly to destroy, you have frogotten that this was our game too just as much as it was yours and we the fans that have played and cried and shared moments with the characters of ME1-3 diserve much better than what you gave us.

Thank you bioware for being nothing more than another dissapointing company that managed to ruin the single best gaming trilogy twice you have completly 100% lost my support, my your company live on to crush the hearts of fans forever till the day you got no dim witts left that will follow.  

[tanarri23]

Destroy is genocide...but is also, with the facts available when I had to make the choice (extra info in the DLC might change my mind), the only ending that definitely ends the Reaper threat. The other options are very attractive in short-term, the only negative consequence unique to them being Shepard's death and perhaps a moment's philosophical doubt about just how moral it is to force Synthesis on everyone, but anything that leaves the Reapers alive also leaves the fate of sentient life dependent on their good will to just chill out in dark space forever. Killing all AIs was a horrible sacrifice to make, and "they can be rebuilt" is no excuse to call the genocide anything other than what it is. But they can be rebuilt, and this time they, as well as all other sentient life, will have control over their own future. As much as such a thing is possible, that is - sentient beings can still destroy themselves or each other, but at least no one will get wiped out because of some "divine" entity's flawed logic. 

Modifié par tanarri23, 26 juin 2012 - 01:32 .

[Naltair]

I really enjoyed the additional work of the Extended Cut... I was saddened not to see an onscreen reunion but damn it I know it is coming.

[corporal doody]

Twilight Muffin wrote...

 Thank you bioware for not paying attention to any of your fans thank you for completly dimising our ideas of the indoctrination and sticking to your so called "vision". and while yes the cut clear up your terribly placed events it still does not clean up the heaping pile of garbage that you left behind. the plot holes are still feel endless and you did noting to listen to your fans when are you going to learn that just because you made the game dosnt mean its yours completly to destroy, you have frogotten that this was our game too just as much as it was yours and we the fans that have played and cried and shared moments with the characters of ME1-3 diserve much better than what you gave us.

Thank you bioware for being nothing more than another dissapointing company that managed to ruin the single best gaming trilogy twice you have completly 100% lost my support, my your company live on to crush the hearts of fans forever till the day you got no dim witts left that will follow.  

wow!

maybe Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Mulan, and/or The Little Mermaid are more up your alley.


and if BW did EXACTLY what some fans wanted...we would have gotten a Snakes on a Plane type experience! you give EVERYONE what they want and they wont want it...cuz it would be crap! they would keep on complaining.

Modifié par corporal doody, 26 juin 2012 - 01:40 .

[Well]

Mcfly616 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Yeah....I don't understand what people don't get about the symbolism of the destroy ending....destroy technology, destroy the Reapers.....

I guess you never heard the saying "no sacrifice, no victory"....

Learn it....its the truth

To clarify again: the problem isn't that there is a sacrifice, it's that the particular sacrifice in question correlates with particularly horrific historical events, and leaves bigots feeling vindicated.

Anyone who hates the geth CAN achieve victory with no sacrifice, and I've seen them bragging about it here for months. So the ending as it stands completley disproves you "no sacrifice, no victory" stance, because those who don't consider the geth to have value feel like they are given victory on a silver platter by a game that supports their stance.

It's war lady....have you been to war? Sometimes its "you or them".....I had feeling towards the geth....they had free will and had gained intelligence....Legion saved my ass more than once. and he was one of the noblest characters in the series....I looked at EDI like a big brother teaching his little sis about life.....

I didn't have some plan to round up all synthetic beings and systematically whipe them from existence by way of Pizza Oven(there goes your "historical events" reference, right out the window).....I made it where no man has ever made it before....I was presented with a hard choice to finish what I started and Destroy the Reapers and end the cycle forever......l chose organic life over the Geth in order to achieve this....us or them....I.chose us.....without compromising who I am. And who everybody else is(synthesis)

You know that you or them is a reference to "The Enemy".You don't apply that to your allies.It tends to make them nervous for some reason.Oh kudos on "The Fairy Tale" ending reference in another post.It is important that all the talking points be used.You got that one out of the way.

[WolfyZA]

I'm dissapointed... I really expected more from what we got from the tweets BW so openly bragged about.

Wasted 3 months coming here almost everyday to speculate over something that doesnt exist, dissecting tweets that didnt hold its own ground and posting in a thread that says "we are listening" that just fell onto death ears.

Time to trade in my
360:
Mass Effect - One of my first games on my 360, and one of the reasons I bought a 360 in the first place
Mass Effect 2 - Also bought on release day, even bought majority of the DLC
Mass Effect 3 - Got it with a nice silver controller for like $40 so it was a steal

PS3:
Mass Effect 2 - Bought it because it had all the DLC already on the disc excluding "Arrival"
Mass Effect 3 - Bought on release day, even went as far as to get the CE

One of your many HARDCORE fans/customers your lost.

Cheerio

[CulturalGeekGirl]

corporal doody wrote...

Twilight Muffin wrote...

 Thank you bioware for not paying attention to any of your fans thank you for completly dimising our ideas of the indoctrination and sticking to your so called "vision". and while yes the cut clear up your terribly placed events it still does not clean up the heaping pile of garbage that you left behind. the plot holes are still feel endless and you did noting to listen to your fans when are you going to learn that just because you made the game dosnt mean its yours completly to destroy, you have frogotten that this was our game too just as much as it was yours and we the fans that have played and cried and shared moments with the characters of ME1-3 diserve much better than what you gave us.

Thank you bioware for being nothing more than another dissapointing company that managed to ruin the single best gaming trilogy twice you have completly 100% lost my support, my your company live on to crush the hearts of fans forever till the day you got no dim witts left that will follow.  

wow!

maybe Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Mulan, and/or The Little Mermaid are more up your alley.

In the ending of snow white, the wicked step mother puts on red hot iron shoes which burn her alive while she dances herself to death. Was that the ending you were thinking of?

In the end of The Little Mermaid, she is in constant pain... walking on her feet feels like walking on broken glass, and eventually she loses her love interest to someone else. She's given a chance to murder the man she loves in order to get her old life back, but she refuses... choosing instead to commit suicide. She is then transformed into one of the Daughters of the Air, who do good deeds for men in the hope of one day earning souls.

That must be the ending you were thinking of!

I agree, the ending where the main character refuses to murder someone to benefit herself would be MUCH better.

I'm not a fan of IT, mind you, but I'm a pretty big fan of the original ending to the Little Mermaid. Oh wait... does anyone ever actually read fairy tales anymore? Or do they just watch the cartoons?

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 26 juin 2012 - 01:46 .

[avenging_teabag]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Yes. People who don't consider those different from them to be "real people" are shown to be correct by this ending: they get the happy ending, so dismissing those who are different from you as "not real people" and killing them all is obviously the "correct" choice.

There are no negative consequences to destroy for either sociopathic characters, characters who hate synthetics, or characters who are fine with committing genocide to save their own lives.

I really do wish I were one of those people. I wish I didn't care about anything but my own happiness, that I could just pick destroy without it tearing my heart out, but I can't.

I've not even played the EC, but Jesus H. Christ. Stop freaking whining, you big freaking baby.

[Twilight Muffin]

[quote]corporal doody wrote...


and if BW did EXACTLY what some fans wanted...we would have gotten a Snakes on a Plane type experience! you give everyone wnat they want and they wont want it...cuz it would be crap!

[/quote
Snakes on a plane really ? look i understand that you cant please everyone but for god sakes for weeks everyones has been up in arms calling the ending indoctination some with evidence that seemed almost impossible to argue ya think they might have seen or heard our side enought to maybe hmmm idk include it. also it feels that the game stopped not ended especially with the shepard death and the oh so famous unneeded breathing scene. i mean really if your going to aim at the indoctirnation bit especially with all the dreams and the odd scene with anderson and the illusive man then do somthing with it. also that damn god child really now so a random specter an arura is reposible for everything ? he the alpha and omega really? some non concret random M night type of twist. its a damn dissapointment  

[Johanna]

avenging_teabag wrote...

I've not even played the EC, but Jesus H. Christ. Stop freaking whining, you big freaking baby.

Uncalled for.

[fluffywalrus]

I can understand the hate for the Destroy ending, but all of the options require (generally, at least) unconventional sacrifices in order to defeat the Reapers. I haven't seen the EC content yet, but I assume it's merely better explained rather than having major ideological changes.

With Destroy, you also destroy the geth and EDI. You basically sacrifice any progress you made toward solving the organics vs synthetics conflict peacefully.

With Synthesis, you override every living species' right to determine their own future and you basically desecrate the biological makeup of their species. In a way, you work against what you fought for through the entire series...strength in unity and diversity. In this ending, you decide unity is more important then diversity.

With Control, you're taking a hold of power that no one is willing to wield. Through Mass Effect, Shepard has succeeded largely due to her/his leadership and ability to bring everyone together. The power is peripheral, but with the control ending, you're taking such a decisive power and merely sending the Reapers away. They're not defeated, no one is aware of what Shepard accomplished, and one could easily imagine the discord between species that would pop up quickly from that. The unity would likely falter and despite the Reaper threat still being imminent as far as they know, the Unity angle was a failed endeavour. It's just too much power for a single entity to wield, and it's too much of a risk to trust the starchild AI that you won't end up becoming like the Illusive man, or worse, won't end up becoming like the starkid AI. There's too much left on the plate.

Every ending has something that Shepard has to sacrifice on top of her/his life. That's just how it is, and I always thought it was a good idea, just poorly executed.

I'm hoping the EC will work to improve that, and from what I have read, it does

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 26 juin 2012 - 01:57 .

[Pee Jae]

I'm not bouncing up and down with joy, but the ending I saw (synthesis) was good and full of hope. I'm well pleased with quite a bit. Mainly:

The consequences after the decision is made. (slideshow or not, it's pretty nice to see.)
Joker not wanting to leave when Hackett gives the order. (clears up the whole "Joker leaving not making sense" thing)
The Reapers rebuilding with the people they wanted to destroy.
Tricia Helfer's voice over is excellent. ("I'm alive.")
Both EDI and Liara's faces during the memorial wall scene were heartbreaking. Yep, man tears were shed.

There's probably more, I have lots of little nits to pick with game still, but I am completely satisfied with this compromise and it's free.

Modifié par t_skwerl, 26 juin 2012 - 02:00 .

[eags]

Welp, I just saw the "new" destruction ending... Does anyone think that Bioware would refund my copy of ME 3? I honestly don'y even understand why they went through all of this trouble, nothing important has changed, the ending looked terrible and rushed and added almost nothing. A SLIDE SHOW, REALLY BIOWARE?!? WHY EVEN BOTHER, JUST SHOW ME A SLIDE OF A MIDDLE FINGER AND MOVE ON. Oooooh I'm sorry, is that criticism not constructive enough?

[Confused-Shepard]

The slides remain unchanged and have no relevance to the dialogue.
We never actually learn what happened to the species. Just, "LOL! EVERYONE HAPPY NOW!"

[Nerevar-as]

t_skwerl wrote...

I'm not bouncing up and down with joy, but the ending I saw (synthesis) was good and full of hope. I'm well pleased with quite a bit. Mainly:

The consequences after the decision is made. (slideshow or not, it's pretty nice to see.)
Joker not wanting to leave when Hackett gives the order. (clears up the whole "Joker leaving not making sense" thing)
The Reapers rebuilding with the people they wanted to destroy.
Tricia Helfer's voice over is excellent. ("I'm alive.")
Both EDI and Liara's faces during the memorial wall scene were heartbreaking. Yep, man tears were shed.

There's probably more, I have lots of little nits to pick with game still, but I am completely satisfied with this compromise and it's free.

I really hate that line. She was already alive. This seems to imply you aren´t truly alive if you aren´t partly organic. Nice implications there to close that debate.<_<

Anyway, they seem to be pushing Synthesis a bit too much, implying everybody being happy with being hybrids and Reapers alive, and then Kasumi.

[tricsi25]

You guys just can't stand that the others are more or less satisfied now, dont you? Oh you greedy people...

[Gerudan]

Well, they did what they said they would. No new endings, but at least they explained things a bit better and build in some decent scenes.

But they should have make Sheps survival more important, it is still just the small scene at the end, that now looks as if it plays months after the battle.

[A Wild Snorlax]

I liked synthesis and control, destroy not so much.

However the stargazer scene makes no sense in the control or synthesis ending.

[eags]

[Inappropriate post removed, user banned]

Modifié par John Epler, 26 juin 2012 - 10:54 .

[Carlthestrange]

I took the extended cut destroy option, with a Paragon Femshep and Liara romance.

...I really didn't expect to say this.

I forgive you Bioware. The ending was very redeeming... I mean, when I saw the Normandy take off again, I almost punched the air.

The Starchild is still bothersome to me, but I can look past that. As is the new "Screw you ending" Which makes the Reapers win. Again, I can look past that.

Destroy gave me a happy ending for my crew, and i'm good with that.

Thanks Bioware.

[jcmuki]

Bravo Bioware for producing a mediocre ending like the majority of other game, yeah....