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[Pypek_360]

****, I went to see the new ending we got, thought I would live in that one... nope, everybody died.
I love EC though, it's how the game should look like from the start.


also.. loved the SO BE IT

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Fox In The Box wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
If Bioware does actually feel that the theme of Sacrifice is more important than the theme of galactic unity and hope, then Shepard should die every single time and earth should be destroyed in the destroy ending. That would be more appropriate, balanced, and interesting.

So what exactly would be the downsides in the endings where Shepard gains near limitless power with the entire Reaper army and forcibly rewrites the genetic code of every being in the galaxy, which can potentially lead to unimaginably horrible results? You do realize that not all who chooses Destroy does so for survival's sake?

If all the endings are equally valid on their own merits, then Shepard's liviing or dead status should not change depending on which one you choose. I don't care which direction it goes in - life or death - but if you truly believe that Destroy is equally valid on its own merits, it should have the same drawbacks or benefits vis a vis Shepard's "survival" as the endings you believe to be "worse." 

[Fox In The Box]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

If all the endings are equally valid on their own merits, then Shepard's liviing or dead status should not change depending on which one you choose. I don't care which direction it goes in - life or death - but if you truly believe that Destroy is equally valid on its own merits, it should have the same drawbacks or benefits vis a vis Shepard's "survival" as the endings you believe to be "worse." 

I don't consider any ending to be "worse". They all suck. If I could kill Shepard to keep the synthetics and still kill the Reapers, I would do so in a heartbeat. I considered Destroy more valid from a roleplaying perspective since the others seemed too much of a gamble. You suggested destroying Earth as an alternative to sacrificing the geth because the ending needed a heavier drawback. If we apply the same standard to Control and Synthesis endings, you'd still be fine with choosing those options if the worst case scenario was shown to happen and Shepard's Reaper-controlling AI went insane and decided to continue with the cycle or something equally horrible?

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 26 juin 2012 - 05:34 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Fox In The Box wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
If Bioware does actually feel that the theme of Sacrifice is more important than the theme of galactic unity and hope, then Shepard should die every single time and earth should be destroyed in the destroy ending. That would be more appropriate, balanced, and interesting.

So what exactly would be the downsides in the endings where Shepard gains near limitless power with the entire Reaper army and forcibly rewrites the genetic code of every being in the galaxy, which can potentially lead to unimaginably horrible results? You do realize that not all who chooses Destroy does so for survival's sake?

If all the endings are equally valid on their own merits, then Shepard's liviing or dead status should not change depending on which one you choose. I don't care which direction it goes in - life or death - but if you truly believe that Destroy is equally valid on its own merits, it should have the same drawbacks or benefits vis a vis Shepard's "survival" as the endings you believe to be "worse."

I for one am not interested in a surviving Shepard. None of the options make sense, though. The 3 main ones are solutions to a non-existing problem, because the synthetics threat is hypothetical. Nothing in the game shows that they are hostile. The quarians started attacking the geth and the reapers turned the zha'til hostile, plus the reapers turned the heretics hostile and controlled the geth during Rannoch. Well, they were probaly desparate when they saw all those friendly synthetics. Ghehe. The geth even offered to rebuild the quarians' homeplanet and immune system after the quarians fired at them (and at Shepard and crew) while the geth ceased fire. Any synthetic that fired at organics had valid reasons to do so.

So you have to commit genocide to get rid of the geth in destroy? Or be the TIM-like undead dictator of the reapers to keep them ready for when their cyclical manical genocidal reproduction method is required? Or join the reapers, much like Saren wanted, with the husks, synthetics and organics in one big happy family without the consent of anyone. I am sure that when they had their marbles together that they would object. But no, synthesis messed with their minds in old fashioned indoctrination style, so nobody cared that they were in an utopian pipe dream against their will. Oh, yes. The fourth option is also cool: Kill everyone and let the reapers go.

And I am suposed to thank BW for all that? Ghehe.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 26 juin 2012 - 05:26 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

AngryFrozenWater other people are satisfied and you are not...at this point there is nothing bioware can do about it. I am sorry it did not work out the way you liked it but it is time to let it go...with all due respect

I have no reason to yell Bravo, with all due respect. What did Ashley say again about that expression?

[Fox In The Box]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I have no reason to yell Bravo, with all due respect. What did Ashley say again about that expression?

Depending on how nice that ass is, kissing it might not be such an awful thing.

Um.

[Taure]

Thank you for the excellent EC, BioWare

[CulturalGeekGirl]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
If all the endings are equally valid on their own merits, then Shepard's liviing or dead status should not change depending on which one you choose. I don't care which direction it goes in - life or death - but if you truly believe that Destroy is equally valid on its own merits, it should have the same drawbacks or benefits vis a vis Shepard's "survival" as the endings you believe to be "worse."

I for one am not interested in a surviving Shepard. None of the options make sense, though. The 3 main ones are solutions to a non-existing problem, because the synthetics threat is hypothetical. Nothing in the game shows that they are hostile. The quarians started attacking the geth and the reapers turned the zha'til hostile, plus the reapers turned the heretics hostile and controlled the geth during Rannoch. Well, they were probaly desparate when they saw all those friendly synthetics. Ghehe. The geth even offered to rebuild the quarians' homeplanet and immune system after the quarians fired at them (and at Shepard and crew) while the geth ceased fire. Any synthetic that fired at organics had valid reasons to do so.

So you have to commit genocide to get rid of the geth in destroy? Or be the TIM-like undead dictator of the reapers to keep them ready for when their cyclical manical genocidal reproduction method is required? Or join the reapers, much like Saren wanted, with the husks, synthetics and organics in one big happy family without the consent of anyone. I am sure that when they had their marbles together that they would object. But no, synthesis messed with their minds in old fashioned indoctrination style, so nobody cared that they were in an utopian pipe dream against their will. Oh, yes. The fourth option is also cool: Kill everyone and let the reapers go.

And I am suposed to thank BW for all that? Ghehe.

I agree with you on all these points.

At this point I'm just arguing against the weird way the consequences are divided up now because of the huge volume of people twisting themselves up in knots to find a way that their character pressing a button that kills every single member of a peaceful, allied race and one of their friends is not genocide/murder and also not their fault.

It makes it feel like Bioware has identified genocidal hatred as the "correct" emotion for Shepard to be feeling at the end.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 26 juin 2012 - 07:54 .

[GenericEnemy]

Indeed. Pulled my heartstrings like a harp and then left me satisfied.

[DazenCobalt17]

wicked_being wrote...

Now I can finally trade in my ME3 copy. Thank you for confirming my fears Bioware.

that's if your gamestop isn't flooded with copies! 

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Nerevar-as wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

JohnTheJohn wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

JohnTheJohn wrote...

Destroy ending was... pretty good. My mind hasn't been blown or anything but it's a nice ending with hope. You won me over Bioware!

*Grins evilly* Wait until you get to Synthesis.

Wasn't planning on checking it out cause Destroy made me happy enough, is it better?

Depends on your defination of 'better'. Some people say it's beautiful, some say it's creepy. I personally LAUGHED at Kasumi's personal ending.

CAN YOU PAINT WITH ALL THE COLOURS OF THE WIND~~~~~~~~~~?

That image was really creepy. She´s so desperate that settles for an holographic copy of Keiji.

I still don´t see how it solves the Singularity issue, new AIs will be only synthetic and could rebel and threaten hybrid life, this is just a reset. I also don´t believe everybody would be so happy with being changed by an energy wave into an hybrid lifeform. But I get the feeling this is going to be ME4 canon start.. And as with Control, I wonder what new enemy will appear than can threat the now friendly Reapers.

Maybe that's what it could be?  A new synthetic life form?  

Or remember EDI saying that they could potentially transcend mortality.  If that's possible, maybe they can also unlock the secrets to reaching other galaxies, which could give a ridiculous amount of potential for a ME4 storyline.

[Tallestra]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

In the ending of snow white, the wicked step mother puts on red hot iron shoes which burn her alive while she dances herself to death. Was that the ending you were thinking of?

In the end of The Little Mermaid, she is in constant pain... walking on her feet feels like walking on broken glass, and eventually she loses her love interest to someone else. She's given a chance to murder the man she loves in order to get her old life back, but she refuses... choosing instead to commit suicide. She is then transformed into one of the Daughters of the Air, who do good deeds for men in the hope of one day earning souls.

That must be the ending you were thinking of!

I agree, the ending where the main character refuses to murder someone to benefit herself would be MUCH better.

I'm not a fan of IT, mind you, but I'm a pretty big fan of the original ending to the Little Mermaid. Oh wait... does anyone ever actually read fairy tales anymore? Or do they just watch the cartoons?

Oh, original
The Little Mermaid  - that's how you write bitter-sweet story with a powerful message. I really disliked Disney's versions of The Little Mermaid and Hunchback of Notre-Dame de Paris, because they both lost important message by their authors. So, not everyone who wants a happy ending likes Disney movies. There are place and time for good endings, for bitter-sweet and for dark. 

Btw, CGG, did you notice that in Destroy ending no one really mentions that entire geth race was exterminated, we only get EDI on memorial plate. Speaking of consequences for commiting genocide... 

I liked the way these endings were presented, mostly, but since I really hated the endings thematically and it wasn't fixed, EC didn't really helped me.

[Keatstwo]

Thanks Bioware! :3

I previously liked control the most of the original endings and I like it even more now.

You fixed my two major gripes with the ending (the destruction of the mass relays and the stranding of the normandy) and filled in most of the plot holes such as your squad magically getting back on the Normandy.

I must admit I was a tad skeptical of how much better it would be without a heavy handed rewrite, but I think you did a great job of making it feel much more optimistic without compromising your original vision for how the series should end.

The only thing I did still miss was the Rachni, but I guess I can live without that. One assumes they're now frollicking free and live happily ever after or whatever.

I feel like replaying the games again already which is great. Kudos to you guys for doing this for free, seems a lot of people are still unhappy but I guess you can never please everyone!

[Rythalor]

Excellent job Bioware - thank you for listening to fan feedback!

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

I can understand the hate for the Destroy ending, but all of the options require (generally, at least) unconventional sacrifices in order to defeat the Reapers. I haven't seen the EC content yet, but I assume it's merely better explained rather than having major ideological changes.

With Destroy, you also destroy the geth and EDI. You basically sacrifice any progress you made toward solving the organics vs synthetics conflict peacefully.

With Synthesis, you override every living species' right to determine their own future and you basically desecrate the biological makeup of their species. In a way, you work against what you fought for through the entire series...strength in unity and diversity. In this ending, you decide unity is more important then diversity.

With Control, you're taking a hold of power that no one is willing to wield. Through Mass Effect, Shepard has succeeded largely due to her/his leadership and ability to bring everyone together. The power is peripheral, but with the control ending, you're taking such a decisive power and merely sending the Reapers away. They're not defeated, no one is aware of what Shepard accomplished, and one could easily imagine the discord between species that would pop up quickly from that. The unity would likely falter and despite the Reaper threat still being imminent as far as they know, the Unity angle was a failed endeavour. It's just too much power for a single entity to wield, and it's too much of a risk to trust the starchild AI that you won't end up becoming like the Illusive man, or worse, won't end up becoming like the starkid AI. There's too much left on the plate.

Every ending has something that Shepard has to sacrifice on top of her/his life. That's just how it is, and I always thought it was a good idea, just poorly executed.

I'm hoping the EC will work to improve that, and from what I have read, it does

Someone gets it. If there was no downside to one of the endings, that would be the de facto best one. There has to be a negative for each one. Otherwise there is no debate(speculations?) about which is better.

The problem is that there are dozens of people on this forum alone who consider Destroy an unambiguously happy ending, either ignoring the genocide and EDI's death or chosing not to care about it. You can see that happen in this very thread: the vast majority of people who pick destroy care only about their own happiness, and thus they consider this genocidal ending a completely happy one. You can see evidence of it in this very thread, and in dozens throughout this forum.

That's what's frustrating to me.

If Shepard didn't live in any of the endings I feel that considerations about the endings would be undertaken more seriously. The same thing might well be true if Shepard lived in all the endings, who can say?

It is a bit unfair to color every person who picks Destroy with the same brush. Red...(sorry, bad pun).

Even if the majority of what you have seen and heard suggests that all Destroy-pickers are only interested in their own happiness, that is still an unfair view.

I remained completely spoiler free during my first run of ME3. I was aware of the the negative opinion on it, but I did not know any details on what happens.

When the time came to make my choice, I had no idea that Shepard could live in the Destroy ending. The Starkid even implied that Shepard would die because of being "partly synthetic." I made a choice based on the knowledge I had. Control and Synthesis were unknowns to me, and seemed like wild cards.

Only ten minutes earlier, My Shepard argued against Control to the Illusive Man. He didn't believe it was his right to take command of that kind of power. My Shepard didn't believe anyone was in the right to, especially not himself.

Synthesis was even more of an unknown, and something he's been fighting against since he saw how it affected Saren and David Archer. He believed in the unity through diversity. He had no idea to what extent the Synthesis would affect everyone. It wasn't his call to make a decision that would affect the very basis of our being.

Destroy was something Shepard could understand. It was a decision he felt was what he, and everyone in the entire galaxy, has been fighting for since the very beginning: To destroy the Reapers and create our own future.

And it still took me forever on my first play through to make that choice. I loved EDI's character arc from ME2 to ME3, and she was a squadmate and character I loved interacting with. Legion is one of my top favorite characters in the ME universe. And his death was one of the top truly emotional scenes for me in ME3. When I think of the Geth, I see Legion, and that is one of th reasons I loved the Geth. So it was a horrible choice to make. A sincerely difficult one.

As far as I knew during my playthrough, Shepard would die in each ending. So, I made a decision with what I knew, and what I felt was right. My Shepard felt like he owed it to everyone who gave their lives to stop the Reapers. It was what they gave their lives for, it is what they fought for, it was what my Shepard was willing to die for, and he felt by doing anything else was a diservice to their sacrifice.

There is no way to sugarcoat that decision. An entire race has been extinguished, and the life of a dear friend and crewmate. I am not trying to say it was the best call. It was a heavy sacrifice, but one that must be made to truly end the Reaper threat.

I can't justify the decision. It's genocide. But I would like you to understand that it is not a choice that all Destroy-enders made happily, or selfishly.

[Fox In The Box]

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

*SNIP*

More eloquent than I put it, but yes. I agree to all of these points.

[Krysh]

I stick with OP on this one.

I am very pleased with EC, just finished it now, it was great. Every plot holes I needed to explain were explained, Hackett dialogue, Normandy scene with honoring the deceased, I mean everything was very nice. Even if I still may not completely agree with the ending overall, this extended cut made me very satisfied and I can say that I still love Mass Effect universe.

Personally I chose destroy ending but before I did, I just wanted to try to shoot the child..you know. I didn't quite understand for a while wtf happened and then I smiled and thought to myself: I have been trolled. But I liked it Also almost little peed my pants when the child suddenly demonicly said: So be it!


Thank you BioWare for hearing your community out and doing this awesome job! I am looking forward to next Mass Effect creations.

[carnage009]

Those who liked EC are not true fans of Mass Effect Franchise

[lordofdogtown19]

carnage009 wrote...

Those who liked EC are not true fans of Mass Effect Franchise

That's complete bull. I'm a die hard ME fan and the EC definetly made the endings better. 

[Joedogg9999]

 please dont make bioware think they did a good job here. all they did was shine the turd. and actually the ec seemed like a middle finger to the fans who thought the ending was written by a 12 year old. btw i actually think a 12 year old would have written a better ending.

the ec did nothing to address the massive fundamental flaws with the ending. they wasted their time.

with that said id still buy me4 day 1 because the entire series up untill the lastfew hours or so was magnificent

[cellotlix]

I wonder how many of the naysayers are truly disappointed and how many are just grudge-wanking at this point.

Suffice to say that I am pleased with the EC and I will continue to support Bioware. Thank you for listening to your fans.

[element eater]

mass effect team

YOU DID GOOD SON!!

realy good most of my issues resolved and a true bitter sweet experiance

[carnage009]

Joedogg9999 wrote...

 please dont make bioware think they did a good job here. all they did was shine the turd. and actually the ec seemed like a middle finger to the fans who thought the ending was written by a 12 year old. btw i actually think a 12 year old would have written a better ending.

the ec did nothing to address the massive fundamental flaws with the ending. they wasted their time.

with that said id still buy me4 day 1 because the entire series up untill the lastfew hours or so was magnificent

Now it can finally be concluded that BW has completely destroyed the ME Franchise

[Darkeus]

I said bravo too! Bravo for officially sinking Mass Effect and your company!

Bravo indeed, bleh....