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[jcmuki]

meh...

[Siansonea]

It's not a "forgive" issue. Forgiveness is a personal thing, between people. BioWare is a company, and I don't personally know anyone there. There isn't anything to "forgive" them for. What we have is a transaction situation, in which the party of the first part (BioWare) provides a product for the party of the second part (me). This dynamic has changed radically between myself and BioWare as a result of ME2 and ME3, and my approach to future transactions is completely and irrevocably altered. It's not because I'm mad or whatever, it's because I can't trust what their Marketing department says about an upcoming title to be true in any way. I was sold on a game from the beginning of ME1 that offered a huge branching narrative with enormous variety and multiple outcomes. Clearly that's not what I was given when I purchased the second and third games. The only rational conclusion from this point on is to wait and see with every upcoming game. Each game will have to be put through a real world test by other players, and I will read their reviews and make my purchasing decision based on their input. I will devalue input that stresses how awesome future installments of that game will be, each game will have to stand on its own as an incredible experience that is not to be missed. And that's just to get me to buy the game. I will not automatically buy follow-up games and I certainly won't preorder or purchase exclusive editions going forward. BioWare Marketing is too keen on promising one thing and delivering something else, and I can't see that attitude changing, and I certainly can't blindly trust that it will change. Thus the new approach. But it has nothing to do with something like "forgiveness".

[NightHawkIL]

No. Even if the EC was of spectacular quality (it wasn't), I would not forgive the way BW has made a hobby of BSing, insulting, and feeding PR to the fans until it induces vomiting these past months. In fact, I have still not seen a single admission on their part that the ending was anything less than ideal to begin with.

If they offered a sincere apology I would forgive. So long as they hold the position that we were the ones who are at fault for this debacle I will not forgive, and I will not give them any more of my hard earned wages.

I held off purchasing the From Ashes DLC hoping that their behavior would improve, now it looks as though I will never be purchasing it.

[GoblinSapper]

No.

[Sundance31us]

Speaking for myself there is nothing to forgive.

[TemplePhoenix]

Yup.

Much better. Not perfect, but much better. Thank you to everyone that worked on the EC, and I mean that sincerely.

[olf1]

Yes! I was so moved by the ending I got. All of a sudden it mattered what I have done

[GuitarShredUK]

 I am personally,very  satisfied with the content provided by the extended cut in terms of the endings, what is added adds so much it actually made me slightly emotional, which is what I had been hoping for all along. 

Yes, all squadmates are now present in the endings despite most from ME2 having their own Fallout or DAO style art slides in place of actual video I still thought the whole package was very good. In terms of whether I can "forgive" Bioware for responding in this way to fan reaction to the original game - again, like a previous poster said its not really about "forgiveness" as such, but I can definitely say thank you to the ME team for what they have put together. 

Perhaps one of the most surprising thing that I found (by accident, as I wasn't sure there was anything added here) is that there is a fourth optoinal ending as seen here ----->  which I thought was neat. 

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 26 juin 2012 - 08:14 .

[lucidfox]

Heck no. If anything, it made the problem worse.

[ChurchOfZod]

Yeah. I'm down for more Mass Effect now.

[corkey sweet]

i refuse to even download it. mass effect 3 isn't worth my time. i have been doing just fine playing ME2, forgetting ME3 ever happend

[The Elite Elite]

Siansonea II wrote...

It's not a "forgive" issue. Forgiveness is a personal thing, between people. BioWare is a company, and I don't personally know anyone there. There isn't anything to "forgive" them for. What we have is a transaction situation, in which the party of the first part (BioWare) provides a product for the party of the second part (me). This dynamic has changed radically between myself and BioWare as a result of ME2 and ME3, and my approach to future transactions is completely and irrevocably altered. It's not because I'm mad or whatever, it's because I can't trust what their Marketing department says about an upcoming title to be true in any way. I was sold on a game from the beginning of ME1 that offered a huge branching narrative with enormous variety and multiple outcomes. Clearly that's not what I was given when I purchased the second and third games. The only rational conclusion from this point on is to wait and see with every upcoming game. Each game will have to be put through a real world test by other players, and I will read their reviews and make my purchasing decision based on their input. I will devalue input that stresses how awesome future installments of that game will be, each game will have to stand on its own as an incredible experience that is not to be missed. And that's just to get me to buy the game. I will not automatically buy follow-up games and I certainly won't preorder or purchase exclusive editions going forward. BioWare Marketing is too keen on promising one thing and delivering something else, and I can't see that attitude changing, and I certainly can't blindly trust that it will change. Thus the new approach. But it has nothing to do with something like "forgiveness".

I think this sums up my thoughts on the matter. After the problems of DA2 and the ending of ME3, I'm going to be much more careful about buying future BioWare games. I'm no longer going to think "A new BioWare game? If I can that's going to be a day-1 purchase!" It's going to be "Wait till it comes out and hear what others have to say after playing it."

[Zero132132]

Personally, I was satisfied with how they tweaked the Catalyst conversation. Epic-creepy, now, knowing his origin. I'm glad that they made it make some sort of sense that your squad was on the Normandy, too, although it'd be nice if they'd done that in a way that made it less weird that Harbinger didn't just shoot the Normandy out of the sky. Adding 'reject' was a kickass move, and I'm glad they didn't have some lame bull**** where that somehow worked out anyways.

What I didn't like is that they left out what I really felt let down by in the original ending. Very specifically, I want to know the fate of the Krogan. I suspect that the scene is almost identical whether it's Wrex or Wreave leading them, and whether you cured the genophage or didn't. I wanted to see if his own people would turn on him when the cure he took credit for didn't work. Only done the Wreave/didn't cure so far, but I want to know the full measure of consequences to my actions.

I guess it really is about preserving some sense of mystery for mass effect 4, then, right?

[Code_R]

Needs keeping at the top if moderator's have chosen it as the only poll on the subject

[BurnOutBrighter]

They did their best and filled in some of the blanks, but they still didn't change the core structural faults of the original. You know that saying, "You can't polish a turd." Well here, it's like they dipped the turd in gold - you see how nice and shiny it is, but you also see the cracks in the metal where the crap shows through.

I still have zero interest in any new Mass Effect games. The trilogy is finished and should be put on the shelf before BioWare embarrasses themselves again.

[corkey sweet]

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

They did their best and filled in some of the blanks, but they still didn't change the core structural faults of the original. You know that saying, "You can't polish a turd." Well here, it's like they dipped the turd in gold - you see how nice and shiny it is, but you also see the cracks in the metal where the crap shows through.

I still have zero interest in any new Mass Effect games. The trilogy is finished and should be put on the shelf before BioWare embarrasses themselves again.

This ^

[BurnOutBrighter]

Oh, and this doesn't forgive how BioWare treated us throughout the whole release debacle. Making false promises about what we'd get, milking us for day one DLC, making multiplayer compulsory, refusing to acknowledge that there were problems with the ending and hiding behind their flimsy "artistic integrity" defense.

Nothing forgives that.

Modifié par BurnOutBrighter, 26 juin 2012 - 08:27 .

[Aren19]

 I found it to be satisfying.  To me, almost everything I was questioning has been answered.  I thought that scene where the two squad mates get put on the Normandy was neat, especially with my LI Garrus.

[Kayjin23]

In short, yes. I was much happier with this ending. It's hardly perfect. But it's good, it addressed several of my questions and made the Star Child more bearable. The fact you can refuse is nice (though I think you should have been able to win if you had a really high EMS, at least the next cycle apparently does).

[Grand Wazoo]

I never expected for the EC to fix anything, and with all the other problems of the game and the overall weakness of the ending, there is only so little you can do to the the ending. They did some things right though. I finally felt that the series came to an end and the game actually acknowledged that the other races etc. continued to exist. Still, extremly disappointing ending.

As for can I forgive Bioware? EC may have made the series worth replaying but this whole ending debacle is just a testament for their current state. They have fell far, and I don't think I'll ever be genuinely interested in their games again.

[Rothgar49]

I personally think it's a good effort. Is it what i would have done maybe not, but then it's not my game

[Kroepoek]

Nope.

[Claym0re]

When I saw the starchild I was like...oh god, not you again...

The extended cut definitely makes it a lot better, but the organic vs synthetic problem thrown at you at the last 10 minutes of the game contradicts the whole buildup of the entire series and doesnt belong there...period.

Oh and that stupid easter egg (the breathing armor piece) in the destroy ending. Fuuuuuuck yoooouuuu

[TAK The Voyager]

Yes. I gave the middle finger to AIKid, and even though my cycle lost, the next one got to live one without the threat of the Rapers.

[skiadopsendow]

Yes. I mean, it's a game, people should get over it. If you are not satisfied, just don't buy any new product they'll release in the future. I think it's more useful than complaining and sh*tstorming all day in the forum.