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[Versus Omnibus]

I will not forget how bad the original endings were, but the EC has restored my faith in not only Mass Effect but Bioware as well. So yeah, all is forgiven in my case.

[Gamedwarf24]

Forgive? I don't really think that's the word I would use.

Endings were "better," still not all that good. If this is what they had given us originally, might have been a different story even, but when the fanbase hands you the Indoctrination Theory on a silver platter and you choose to put sprinkles on a dead rat instead? I don't even...

They get points for trying I suppose, really its just Casey and Mac that I wish would slam their own heads in a car door.

I still enjoy all the other things Bioware has given me...all things considered they still generate pretty superb games with great stories. They've stumbled with Dragon Age 2 and the Last 5% of the ME franchise, but I haven't resigned to abandoning them just yet.

However, my trust in them is shaken...where once it bordered on Zealotry. I'll swear my allegiance to Bethesda now.

Modifié par Gamedwarf24, 26 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[RPC_RPC]

The EC is like an ending in any other RPG, e.g. FO3: NV. Should you expect more from the Mass Effect Trilogy, perhaps.

BUT I think BW still handled this whole ending debacle extremely poorly and if they have to start doing DLCs to get proper endings in their games, it does not bode well.

Also, I think the way they handled their PR was extremely arrogant which actually pissed me off more than original ending. The saying "customer is always right" maybe a bit too extreme but at least they should've acknowledge they made a mistake (Even if you think you didn't). That actually carries you a long way. These guys sounded more like Goldman Sachs in the committee hearings.

I will continue to buy BW products if they are good but given the recent track record with DA2 and ME3, I have my doubts.

I think its time to put the ME trilogy to bed.

Modifié par RPC_RPC, 26 juin 2012 - 08:34 .

[WarBaby2]

From a storytelling point of view, the ending was still horrible... but at least it was better executed now...

Will I forgive them? No, 'cause there is nothing to forgive... Hudson and Walters wanted the series to end this way...

[Gethrian]

I'm not raging so I guess it's improvement but really I don't know. They are better but still I just can't choose any of them, I just simply can't

Modifié par DarkZexy, 26 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[bas_kon]

Totally...I didn't expect I would without an explicit reunion with LI in the happy/Shepard lives ending but after playing through it and finally hearing Shep and Kaidan "goodbye" (more like see you later since I chose destroy ) I think it was great. Well done BW and thank you for changing the message after the epilogue.

Modifié par bas_kon, 26 juin 2012 - 08:35 .

[vics20]

There is nothing to "forgive". They never made an offense to me.

I didn't like the story that Bioware sold me, so I move on.

[M2S SOLID JOSH]

nope. its funny when everyone u know says thier not buying da3 after this lol. wish u guys couldve heard the hilarious screaming

[BrowncoatN7]

In my books, yes it is. I didn't think I would like it, but I did. I wish there would have been a reunion, but I guess that'll happen after the credits (figuratively).

[RPC_RPC]

vics20 wrote...

There is nothing to "forgive". They never made an offense to me.

I didn't like the story that Bioware sold me, so I move on.

In a nutshell, this

[Zehtuka]

Yup, 5000+ EMS Destroy ending is just what I expected!

[FugitiveMind]

Forgive the game? Yes, the endings make sense now. I don't particularly like it and had overwhelming expectations (on release not for EC) on what it could have been, but it's just another bad ending on a decent game like most on the shelves these days.

Forgive the company? After all the PR shenanigans, outright lies leading up to release, and complete abandonment of the fanbase a categorical NO.

All I can do is try and be a knowledgable consumer in the future, and base future purchases on knoledge available at the time...

The golden opportuniy was missed with this, as there is still no reason to purchase any DLC for this game. A bright spot is that they changed the end message away from "Buy our crap" though...

[Merzavets]

Well, based on the poll, it looks like after extended cut EA is going to make expanded butt for someone ...

[Comguard2]

No way.

They did the same cheap stunt - again.

The main part of the ending is the 4-minute sequence of artwork that barely different - the glowing green eyes are stupid beyond belief.

They are unquestionable better than the original ones, but the main problem remains: the Catalyst.

[CaptainDope]

Overall, it is definitely quite a big improvmenet. It did explain some of the questions and fix a few plotholes. I liked they explained how your squad mates got onboard the Normandy. The added dialogue for the catalyst was great and made more sense. He explained your choices and his reason clearly. The 4th ending, the "I reject your choices" was a decent surprise and addition. I chose the destroy ending, and I loved watching the victory scene with the Krogan and Asari. Too bad the Turian did not get one too. Thankfully, the relays were only "damaged" and not completely destroyed. And I was relieved to see the crew was not stranded for long. Hackett's final speech was great (Henriksen is a very skilled voice actor).The ending feels much better and happier now. The quick shots of the ME2 squad members (both dead and alive) were also plesant to see.

Overall, I am almost satisfied. There was just ONE thing missing. I wish the ending could have lasted just another minute to show a reunion between Shepard and LI, over even the whole crew.

[Dezerte]

FugitiveMind wrote...The golden opportuniy was missed with this, as there is still no reason to purchase any DLC for this game. A bright spot is that they changed the end message away from "Buy our crap" though...

Yeah, I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw the new ending message. Didn't know if I should be happy or angry, so I just laughed it off instead.

I did not expect EC would fix anything, though I was interested in playing it & seeing what changed. The new dialouges on the starchild were perhaps the biggest surprise, but they didn't adress the illogical reasoning.

This pretty much makes the ME series dead to me, I'll most definitley not buy any DLC for ME3. It will be interesting to see how well their SP DLC will sell, a repeat of DA2 perhaps? I don't wish them anything bad, but it would be a positive things for me because it could mean that they realize that I'm the type of player they want to appeal to.

And the whole PR mess, nearly outright insulting parts of your fanbase did not go so well in my book. I feel that I can definitley not trust anything they say anymore.

[Blue Liara]

Comguard2 wrote...

No way.

They did the same cheap stunt - again.

The main part of the ending is the 4-minute sequence of artwork that barely different - the glowing green eyes are stupid beyond belief.

They are unquestionable better than the original ones, but the main problem remains: the Catalyst.

Agreed. 

The endings did not satsify me and I defintely am not about to forgive. This has gone exactly as Bioware wanted it too. 

PR damage control from the very beggining. Delay as long as possible before responding to fan outrage. Then claim that it is only a vocal minority who dislike the endings.

Spew out the nonsense that they are "LISTENING", all that listening clearly did them no good because the VAST majority of feedback wanted a DIFFERENT ending NOT a clarification.

Then say they are going to release an extended version to satisfy and answer some of the issues that us poor dumb fans can't understand, but say they are going to maintain their "ARTISTIC INTEGRITY" which was a huge giant pile of rubbish. 

This artistic integrity rubish became their go to excuse to tell fans that they could not as a matter of principle change ending. As if it would violate some supreme law of the cosmos. 

They also new that saying there was going to be an exteneded DLC coming out would quell the fan outrage enough that the backlash would essentially diminish enough to take the pressure off them so they would not have to listen to the fans.

They then give us this pathetic excuse for an ending as a "fix". In which they put in just enough to satisfy enough people so that the backlash dies down and they can say that they saved face.

So now in the future they can say "look how nice and good a company we are" we listened to our fans and changed the endings.

NO WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.

They have treated all of us like entitled idiots from day one, and it seems to me begrudingly offered us this DLC because they absolutely had to. The impression i have recieved now and through out is that this has always been about MONEY EGO ARROGANCE and an outright refusal to acknowledge in any way that they were wrong.

They had an opportunity with this DLC to truly save face and make the Mass Effect series one of the greatest stories not just in gaming history but Science fiction and in my opinon they completely and utterly missed the boat, dropped the ball, fumbled the pass....however you want to put it, a complete an utter failure.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The EC is too little too late. It isn't even enough for the original game. I'm not an IT believer. IT is another way of polishing a turd. It's nice and shiny but it's still a piece of ****. IMO they should have redone the ending altogether. Why? Here's why.

All the endings were bad and I'll use the EC addition. I knew on my first playthrough that the Catalyst was Harbinger. I have a recording studio, and my 360 is in there so I use that sound system. I could hear Harbinger's voice underneath the child's. He knew he was ****ed when the Crucible docked so he offered some really bad choices. Harbinger was crazy, and after a billion years trapped like that who wouldn't go nuts. He still was going to make you his ****. So you get the war crime of your choice:

You cannot tell me that mass enslavement of sentient beings (Control) was a good choice.
You cannot tell me that galactic-wide eugenics (Synthesis) was a good choice.
You cannot tell me that genocide (Destroy) was a good choice.
And the alternative was to pass the buck to the next cycle which was a bad choice as well.

I find it abhorrent that the writers would put the player of choosing the war crime of their choice to end a game, and you must choose one, or let the cycle run its course. Not making a choice is still making a choice. Who in their right mind thought this was a good idea in the first place? How in hell is this a bittersweet ending? This is the worst god damned ending I've ever seen. It's this WATCH IT -- THIS IS THE ENDING WE GOT: Mac & Casey thought this was a good idea for an ending.

**** the writers on this. They gave us a s*** f*** of an ending. Five years, and they gave us this. Then they gave us this crap for an extended cut? I didn't need this crap explained to me. I knew the Catalyst was a crazy AI. A child could have figured out this. What I needed was an ending that that didn't involve committing a war crime. And these ****s made the first two sound like such wonderful things in the name of self-sacrifice, but look at what they really are.

The only way around the problem is to metagame the hell of the game. http://social.biowar...ndex/12749645/1 You purposely screw up during playthroughs in order to limit your options so as to avoid responsibility. Now you only have an involuntary manslaughter to deal with (EDI). And do not have a LI in ME3. So now you have no strings to tie you down. No emotional attachments. Kirk your way through it.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 26 juin 2012 - 09:08 .

[flippedeclipse]

Huge resounding yes from me. I found it tasteful but it was still a happy ending, and it's ambiguous enough to not spoonfeed the audience with what's "canon". I'm ridiculously happy with the ending now, I finally have the closure I needed.

[DuneMuadDib]

I'm not sure. They did a good job in adding it in fairly seamlessly, but it shouldn't have been necessary as this should have been present from launch. Plus there's still Starbrat's insane troll logic.

I think i'm closer to apathy than forgiveness.

[wolfsite]

Still felt empty to me.

Not so the endings but the missions getting there.

In ME1 and ME2 you had that sense of urgency, to push forward yet there was a satisfaction in doing it... the music pushing you... the energy of what was going on leading you to the end.

But ME3..... the last two missions on earth felt more like a funeral march still rather than an adrenaline filled determination to reach the goal.

That sense of Joy, the feeling of needing to reach the end...... ME3 just doesn't have it.

[kjeld111]

Yes. Excuses accepted
The endings were satisfying enough. The earth mission is still weak though, I wish they would have changed it to show more of our EMS, but oh well, it was outside the scope of the EC.

Modifié par kjeld111, 26 juin 2012 - 09:08 .

[malakim2099]

Oransel wrote...

Really simple. Is the ending acceptable for you now or not? Will you forgive Bioware after what you have seen or are you leaving? Has the Retake's goal being completed? Or maybe it is just same turd, but under a chocolate cream of non-important things? Or maybe it made situation even worse?

Also, this poll http://social.biowar...58/polls/35742/

Granted, I haven't played through it yet, but let me see if I have this straight based on what I've read.

* Nothing has changed in the current three endings, just clarification on what happens...

* Destroy still leaves Shepard buried in rubble (if your EMS is high) and the Geth/AIs still die as do the Reapers

* Control now clarifies that Shepard is now God-Reaper-Emperor of the Galaxy, and Harbinger is her #####? 

* Synthesis still makes little sense, except it grants free will and sentience back to the Reaper "husks"?

* Now there's also Refuse which is basically Bioware telling fans to #### off as it results in "Reapers Fall on you, Everyone Dies"

No LI reunion, no reuniting Shepard in any ending with the Normandy crew?

Yeah, um, pass. I'll check out DA3 reviews after release and get it on sale more than likely, but Bioware officially blew it. Though I might play through for myself to see how bad it is... dunno if I want to devote 30 hours of my life to morbid curiosity, however.

[Mars Nova]

EC is not satisfying at all.  Sure it makes more sense, but our choices still don't matter.  We were promised they would.  It's better than the original ending, but still a pile of garbage.

[M0keys]

Nope.

Even the reject ending was a failiure. It shifted in tone from "I will fight for the freedom of all races" to "I DON'T WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY WAHHH THE NEXT CYCLE GETS TO CHOOSE SOMETHING IN THE CRUCIBLE CAUSE I'M A BIG BABY"

because that's what happened. next cycle used the crucible anyway. so even rejecting it damns the universe for all eternity.

Modifié par M0keys, 26 juin 2012 - 09:12 .