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[Uber Rod]

Is EC satisfying enough to forgive?

 Well, this goes a long way towards it in my book. I've been very anti-Bioware in my attitude towards the ending. The glaring plot holes, the very bad writing, the abandonment of narrative cohesiveness, the lack of context for the 3 colored explosions and the Normandy leaving Earth, etc. I've said in the past, and even earlier today, that I would not buy another Bioware game, or an EA game. 

I am forced to admit that the endings are a lot better and puts things in a much better perspective/context. Hackett telling everyone to leave and meet up at some other place is a great excuse for why the Normandy was flying away. 

Kind of makes me want to choose the control or synthesis endings based on what was said and shown. 

While being metric tonnes better, the new endings are not perfect. There is still the matter of the starchild which really is Deus Ex Machina and remains bad writing. Also we don't get to see more detailed outcomes of our decisions. What happens with the Quarians? What happens with the Krogan? The Rachni? What becomes of our companions? Also there is still no explanation as to how my squad mates ended up on the Normandy in the first place.

But the new endings are a lot better that the original ones. Adding the refusal option was very cool, allowing you to deliberately lose the game if you chose to do so.

I don't think that Bioware should have had to have created the EC DLC. This should have been in the game from the start, and while many would have grumbled against the starchild, there would not have been such a huge and violent outcry against the developers. 

Or even just run with the Indoctrination Theory. That would have been ground breaking. If done right, people would have gladly lined up to pay for DLC to finish the incomplete game that they bought. Bioware would have been heralded as geniuses, except for the very few who realized that they bought an unfinished game and are being forced to pay even more money to see the real end. Have Shepard be indoctrinated or not in the DLC and have him/her fight for or against the Reapers. Brilliant. 

But we gave what we have and while not perfect is at least palabable. 

So while I may be willing to forgive, I still won't forget. I will need to look long and hard at any more Bioware games that come out. At least I won't feel so bad about playing SWTOR.

[BurnOutBrighter]

BioWare just proved that you can't polish a turd.

[Thornne]

Personally I'm not sure why they bothered with the EC. I mean, they did do a good job on what they added to the EC, but putting that much work into trying to save the original ending was throwing good money after bad, IMO.

The refusal ending was an amusing touch. "SO BE IT!" indeed.

[TheMadBlimper]

They fixed their game. I've only played through synthesis so far, but it felt appropriate, and the explanation of events afterwards left me feeling warm.

The EC retroactively bumps the game from a 6/10 to a 9/10. That's satisfactory to me.

[Painaid]

The Destroy ending resulting in killing the Geth and Edi is still needlessly stupid. And I still think with a crazy high amount of EMS that you should be able to defeat the Reapers conventionally without the stupid starchild's help.

My canon ending will be the refusal one simply because I refuse to accept the dumb starchild idea. The whole concept of the starchild is just a giant pile of manure and nothing BioWare says can fix that crappy writing.

Did I have (perhaps unfair) high expecations? Yes. Shepard's whole story in ME1, 2 and 3 (except for the last 10 minutes), was all about idealism and making the Right choice, even if it wasn't the easy one. Which is why it puzzles me that we're punished for choosing what MY Shepard would have done (refusal). MY Shepard would never have accepted the stupid and illogical premises of the starchild. 

Modifié par Painaid, 27 juin 2012 - 01:17 .

[vasametropolis]

kadzier wrote...

It's not perfect, but it was a good enough attempt so I'll take it.

This one speaks wisdom.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Lazarus Cricket wrote...

Mass Effect 3; the game where your ending choices are
A) Genocide
Totalitarianism
C) Galaxy-wide eugenics
D) Trusting that unity, cooperation, and fighting spirit will be enough, you know, like the first two.

Cooperation is the only one that leads to extinction.
Nice thematic resonance, (not really)

Good quote I saw on Youtube, pretty much how I feel

This.

It was better, but mediocre instead of terrible.  Which would be forgivable if it were in reaction to a much smaller fan reaction.  But to half-ass it in response to controversy this massive?  I've got to say that doesn't reflect well upon them.

Worse, the reject ending was the exact opposite of what fans repeatedly asked for.  They'd have actually done better to not include it if you ask me.

[DaosX]

No.

While it started out as an issue of the ending, the problem became moreso due to Bioware's response (or rather, lack thereof). Until that is changed, there will be no forgiveness. Also, Youtubed the endings...and it becomes clear that Bioware did not listen. Oh well, sucks for them, I guess. I don't care anymore.

[mCorfe]

Bioware, I forgive you.
Liked:
Normandy getting away from that wave and leaving the planet.
Mass Relays damaged, not destroyed.
Solid narrative explanations at the end.
Shepard as a guardian of the whole galaxy....forever!
Synthesis was nicely done.
Disliked :
Obviously Shepard's death but that had to happen.
"Breath" scene at the end of Destroy option. He is either dead or not dead. Make up your mind

[hiraeth]

No.

I don't understand how some people can feel like the EC delivers the necessary "clarity" and "closure" to go from "I hate the ending" to "I love the ending," or even "I can accept this as a worthy ending to the franchise." It feels like minor plot holes from the original ending were selected at random and sloppily addressed with a slideshow of fanart-style pictures.

I appreciate giving me more conversation branches with Starchild, but the information I was given was even less cohesive with the ME narrative than the 14 lines he had in the original ending--and that's to be expected, because the more you try to explain something that doesn't fit with the story, the more likely you are to just add constipated confusion to an already weird (for lack of a better word) deus machina-ed ending.

I want to convey that I'm grateful that Bioware put effort forth to try to fix some plot holes, but in the end I find myself even more disappointed in the ending than before

[Freestate2nd]

NO you can't polish a turd.

[Chibi Buizel]

As one of my friends put it, "it wasn't grand, but it was enough."

[SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

No.

I don't understand how some people can feel like the EC delivers the necessary "clarity" and "closure" to go from "I hate the ending" to "I love the ending," or even "I can accept this as a worthy ending to the franchise." It feels like minor plot holes from the original ending were selected at random and sloppily addressed with a slideshow of fanart-style pictures.

I appreciate giving me more conversation branches with Starchild, but the information I was given was even less cohesive with the ME narrative than the 14 lines he had in the original ending--and that's to be expected, because the more you try to explain something that doesn't fit with the story, the more likely you are to just add constipated confusion to an already weird (for lack of a better word) deus machina-ed ending.

I want to convey that I'm grateful that Bioware put effort forth to try to fix some plot holes, but in the end I find myself even more disappointed in the ending than before

Perceptual bias can be so different, can't it? I personally feel you are a black hole, situated in the Ass-Nexus. But might just be me.

[Alent]

No, for reasons stated previously.

SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil wrote...
Perceptual bias can be so different, can't it? I personally feel you are a black hole, situated in the Ass-Nexus. But might just be me.

Don't be a d-bag when someone is stating their opinon.

[DJBare]

I'll remain cautious, the extra work the devs put in has not gone unnoticed but to see the breath scene again was a major let down, either kill Shepard and have it be done with or re-unite him/her with squad in a hospital or something, even if doing a story in parts each part should have closure, especially when the episodes are months/years apart, this again did not provide closure just another easter egg at best.

As I said, the extra work did not go unnoticed and I enjoyed the new scene's, especially getting the squad to safety, but even with all that you left Shepard's story hanging in mid air, so I'll be very cautious about my next Bioware purchase.

[Asepsis]

I was hoping for the destroy ending you'd at least see Shepard being rescued or reunited with the LI, but alas, none.

I don't want to be ungrateful though, and I really appreciated the extra cut scenes and explanations (the Normandy flying off again was a great plus). It let me rest my mind on theorizing what happened.

Still, I would have liked it if we could have killed those freaking reapers without having to kill the Geth or EDI. Of the "new" extended endings control was pretty epic.

I don't know, I still feel kind of let down, but at least they tried and it did improve a lot.

[Greed1914]

It's hard to say if I find this good enough to say that I forgive them. There were some things that attempted to correct the problems, but some of the corrections were still iffy. We can question the kid now, but ultimately are still pushed to choose on of its options. While people did want a reject option, it was negated by making it the fail option. On the other hand, there was at least a decent epilogue. I'd say that overall the EC raised the ending from "train wreck" to "passable." However, one of the biggest problems is what it took to get this. Months of either silence or denial didn't help. When someone criticizes your work, the proper response is not to reply that the professional critics liked it. They don't pay the bills, we do, and I can't help but feel that it shouldn't have been nearly this hard to get the EC.

[teelahtwee]

Honestly, I was very grateful for the EC endings. They weren't perfect, they didn't answer every question, but they were acceptable. I was happy that the Extended Cut was released at all: when you think about it, BioWare didn't HAVE to do anything. The fact that they made the EC (despite whether or not they truly listened to fans) was amazing in itself.
As for the EC, my overall reaction was generally positive. Your squadmate's "disappearance" was resolved, as was the retreat of the Normandy. I was also satisfied with the addition of the final farewell between LI's (during the evac at the beam), though it was bittersweet. The amount of expansion during the Catalyst's speech was a good addition.
Most of my positive feelings stem from the "epilogue" - the EC adequately explains the fate of the universe in the immediate future. I still have a few problems, as do many others, but overall I'm extremely grateful for what we got in the Extended Cut.

[Cuddlezarro]

seems like the ending is just an average video game ending now which is alot better than it was before (except synthesis which i still hate because of the very concept of it) but still not an OMG AMAZING ending

[memorysquid]

Had they released this ending initially, there wouldn't have been a fuss. Which means it is good enough; they clarified what they needed to clarify, like why would I even consider what happens to the Reapers, what the Catalyst's deal is and why the conflict is supposed to be inevitable. You still get the sense the Catalyst has gone off the deep end, but they made the new synthesis ending plain enough that the writers' intention is plain; which wasn't the case before.

[Oransel]

Clarification is not enough.

[cuzsal]

it is a start, but a very very small start. if bioware wants my money again they still have much to do to regain my trust

[FabricatedWookie]

status from never again to wary

[wicked_being]

If they add a new ending...with that new discovery of Leviathan of Dis files in the EC file..then I'm changing my initial response of "it's possible" from "it's a bit more possible."

[AlphaDormante]

They tried, which is admirable in of itself. I've forgiven them, but there's no way I'll be able to forget, which is saddening because I like BW. No more pre-orders or day-one purchases from me.