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[sheppard7]

Thinking on it some more I have my final decision now that I let emotion go down a little.

However, my artistic integrity won't allow me to change my mind so "no forgiveness".

[Seeeg]

forgive? but of course, after endless online passes, day one dlc, paid reviews, horde-mode mp with no servers and fcked up endings.
yeah, sure.
np.
not talking about DA2.


lol.

[XxDarkTimexX]

but that still doesn't make me playthough mass effct 1-3 again since all i can do play though 1 and 2 but load my saved game from mass effect 3 and chose an ending. I say that we need choices that affect the ending of mass effect not load one save and do all four endings at the same time. It make me feel i wasted my time playing though mass effect 3 but i still like what Bioware did with the EC now that i see the light but i still am an IT believer even if bioware might do something like choices matter and more gameplay for the endings. Not sure how many people would feel about it but it would help playing mass effect 1, 2, and 3 and having different endings.

[UltimateTobi]

NOW I can't forgive. Would've been able to before the EC DLC, with IT as my own head canon. Now I can forget that, and I need to take that all at face value: can't forgive, can't forget.

[BadExamp1e]

Yeah, I'll forgive.

They made this for free, and it gave me the kind of closure I can deal with.

[xxskyshadowxx]

Not really. They still lied to their consumers multiple times and Shepard still buys the word of a Reaper AI hook, line and sinker (unless you REALLY wanna wipe out the galaxy). After seeing the Catalyst's extended dialogue, it's nothing but more of the problem it's been programmed to fix. it's doing exactly what it says it's trying to prevent and acting exactly as it says Synthetics will continue to act.

There should have been a 4th solution...in fact, if the writers were paying attention to their own work...there was one. Shepard ended the current conflict with the synthetics and organics and even gave synthetics more freedom than they had ever known before (if you chose to do those things that is), through sheer diplomacy, by giving a damn and by accepting them for what they are. Technically Shepard makes a better Catalyst than the actual Catalyst has itself...but that is not really explored...unless you want to count Synthesis I guess. Had you completed those story aspects in that way, those decisions should have had an impact, and there should have been an option for them to forge their own future based on those accomplishments. Shepard earned that.

[Seeeg]

simfamSP wrote...

Hehe, half the people that say 'no' will just get hyped and buy the next game anyway. It always happens.

the kids? yes.
me? no.

[Maelora]

No.

Still pure garbage.

[Elite Midget]

No.

Marauder Shields Comic has it beat by miles and that guy is doing it out of free will and not because of fan backlash.

[Hobbes]

No...
Sceptical of all future games and the only one I know I will most likely still buy is DA3 for the sake of closure for the story/series. Even then it won't be right away through pre-order and damn well won't be collectors editions like I was stupid enough to buy for ME3. 
 
Other future games I will be cautious of and will read *player* reviews and opinions before even thinking about buying them…and as for future ME? I am pretty much done with it at this point and it will have to be something pretty spectacular for me to get back into it again.

[3DandBeyond]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Not really. They still lied to their consumers multiple times and Shepard still buys the word of a Reaper AI hook, line and sinker (unless you REALLY wanna wipe out the galaxy). After seeing the Catalyst's extended dialogue, it's nothing but more of the problem it's been programmed to fix. it's doing exactly what it says it's trying to prevent and acting exactly as it says Synthetics will continue to act.

There should have been a 4th solution...in fact, if the writers were paying attention to their own work...there was one. Shepard ended the current conflict with the synthetics and organics and even gave synthetics more freedom than they had ever known before (if you chose to do those things that is), through sheer diplomacy, by giving a damn and by accepting them for what they are. Technically Shepard makes a better Catalyst than the actual Catalyst has itself...but that is not really explored...unless you want to count Synthesis I guess. Had you completed those story aspects in that way, those decisions should have had an impact, and there should have been an option for them to forge their own future based on those accomplishments. Shepard earned that.

This is true.  Shepard as Shepard did what was the original goal of the creators of the Catalyst and still must make a choice based upon the flawed interpretation of the Catalyst's creator's intent.  They wanted the Catalyst to find a balance between synthetics and organics and Shepard did that as a real person not as the god of control.  The Catalyst went crazy and turned its creators into reapers creating an abomination that is th manifestation of its insanity.  So, in one choice Shepard can decide to control the Catalyst's crazy creations and turn his/her back on the real solution to the perceived problem.  Or Shepard can create Synthesis which crazy boy has been trying to achieve all along (no deviation from the original ending here).  Or Shepard can totally ignore the solution that a real person (uh, Shepard) came up with to find the balance.  Shepard did this in every story we were shown.  The genophage cure-Shepard found balance.  Geth/Quarians-balance.  The mercenary/revenge agendas of many people including the Batarian for the events of the Arrival-balance.  Time and again, Shepard destroyed the reason for even the creation of the star kid to begin with.  Shepard had the ultimate solution and there could be nothing more uplifting and artistic than to have written about that.

The Catalyst once again as in the original ending is the one that has created and promoted the conflict and the chaos.  He totally disrupts anything orderly that might naturally be achieved, substituting his vision for the enlightenment that people might achieve if given the ability to do so on their own.  Even before the idea of a reaper threat, Shepard had been instrumental and a real force of nature for helping people find common ground.  This may be due to the nature and choices of a particular Shepard, it was MY Shepard, but that Shepard is totally ignored in the ending.  And that selfless, caring, diplomatic, redemptive Shepard is considered unworthy of a real story especially at the end.  All roads lead to oblivion or a pile of rubble.  How is that fun and uplifting?

[Bomma72]

There was nothing to forgive, I just thought the ending was crap. Now I think the ending is OK. Always thought the other parts of the game and the first 2 were great.

I was mad that some people lied about what the ending was before it came out, but that was those people not Bioware.

[Phaedros]

Should've been no need to forgive. But.. We Will Never Forget...

(altogether now)

Marauder Shields!

[Bomma72]

3DandBeyond wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Not really. They still lied to their consumers multiple times and Shepard still buys the word of a Reaper AI hook, line and sinker (unless you REALLY wanna wipe out the galaxy). After seeing the Catalyst's extended dialogue, it's nothing but more of the problem it's been programmed to fix. it's doing exactly what it says it's trying to prevent and acting exactly as it says Synthetics will continue to act.

There should have been a 4th solution...in fact, if the writers were paying attention to their own work...there was one. Shepard ended the current conflict with the synthetics and organics and even gave synthetics more freedom than they had ever known before (if you chose to do those things that is), through sheer diplomacy, by giving a damn and by accepting them for what they are. Technically Shepard makes a better Catalyst than the actual Catalyst has itself...but that is not really explored...unless you want to count Synthesis I guess. Had you completed those story aspects in that way, those decisions should have had an impact, and there should have been an option for them to forge their own future based on those accomplishments. Shepard earned that.

This is true.  Shepard as Shepard did what was the original goal of the creators of the Catalyst and still must make a choice based upon the flawed interpretation of the Catalyst's creator's intent.  They wanted the Catalyst to find a balance between synthetics and organics and Shepard did that as a real person not as the god of control.  The Catalyst went crazy and turned its creators into reapers creating an abomination that is th manifestation of its insanity.  So, in one choice Shepard can decide to control the Catalyst's crazy creations and turn his/her back on the real solution to the perceived problem.  Or Shepard can create Synthesis which crazy boy has been trying to achieve all along (no deviation from the original ending here).  Or Shepard can totally ignore the solution that a real person (uh, Shepard) came up with to find the balance.  Shepard did this in every story we were shown.  The genophage cure-Shepard found balance.  Geth/Quarians-balance.  The mercenary/revenge agendas of many people including the Batarian for the events of the Arrival-balance.  Time and again, Shepard destroyed the reason for even the creation of the star kid to begin with.  Shepard had the ultimate solution and there could be nothing more uplifting and artistic than to have written about that.

The Catalyst once again as in the original ending is the one that has created and promoted the conflict and the chaos.  He totally disrupts anything orderly that might naturally be achieved, substituting his vision for the enlightenment that people might achieve if given the ability to do so on their own.  Even before the idea of a reaper threat, Shepard had been instrumental and a real force of nature for helping people find common ground.  This may be due to the nature and choices of a particular Shepard, it was MY Shepard, but that Shepard is totally ignored in the ending.  And that selfless, caring, diplomatic, redemptive Shepard is considered unworthy of a real story especially at the end.  All roads lead to oblivion or a pile of rubble.  How is that fun and uplifting?

I like this interpretation though I think refusal is
hopeful at the end as you do win because of your actions it just takes a whole
other cycle to play out.  I am fine with that.  

[cuzsal]

no

[mulder1199]

good enough to make me at least to consider some DLC...

in comparasin to the original endings the EC was gold...

[Hyperion II]

EC has redeemed Bioware IMO. Back to their former glory as the best storytellers in videogaming.

[Snake Liquid]

It is for me. They had an ending all planned, and many fans disliked it immensely. They released FREE DLC that fixed it as best they could.

Honestly, I really enjoyed my ending. It gave me all the closure that I needed, and I can forgive the holes. I was unhappy with the first ending, but I was willing to accept what you gave us if you gave me more information and closure, and that's exactly what you did. So thank you Bioware.

[B3ckett]

Forgive? No. Tolerate the endings? Yes.

[Jadebaby]

No, Bioware shafted Shepard, not happy. All I wanted was a LI reunion... That . Is . All.

[TJX2045]

UltmtBiz wrote...

I'm satisfied with the EC, but excluding free dlc, they have handled this game, pre and post release, pretty poorly. I really do appreciate the free dlc and am glad they created it for us. But they broke several promises they made before the game came out and then didn't even address those statements later on. So much for the big payoff for being true to your ME1 LI among other things. They have regained my interest, not my trust.

Pretty much.

[slimshedim]

No, it's not. But I didn't expect it to be something decent anyway.

If BIOWARE were smart, they would have adopted the indoctrination theory. They even could have kept their starchild BS and just needed to add a little more content and a proper ending, but they did the same mistakes again.

Modifié par slimshedim, 27 juin 2012 - 04:40 .

[Jadebaby]

sheppard7 wrote...

Thinking on it some more I have my final decision now that I let emotion go down a little.

However, my artistic integrity won't allow me to change my mind so "no forgiveness".

LMFAO!

[Jonata]

I'll just answer your question and move on: YES. The EC made me cry, it's stunningly beautiful.