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[djarlaks10]

It still sucks. So, yeah, they showed me a couple of pics at the end, so what? The endings are still ****ed up. Also, once again there was a freaking breathing scene. Why the **** is Shepard declared dead if he is still alive. Closure my ass.

[TJX2045]

djarlaks10 wrote...

It still sucks. So, yeah, they showed me a couple of pics at the end, so what? The endings are still ****ed up. Also, once again there was a freaking breathing scene. Why the **** is Shepard declared dead if he is still alive. Closure my ass.

He actually isn't declared dead, at least by the crew.  In the destroy ending, the LI/squadmate hesitates and does not put his name up on the wall.  In the Synthesis ending (I think the control ending but I don't know since I won't choose it); they hesitate and put his name on the wall.

It's implied.  They could've just done it but *shrug*.  More DLC?  Maybe.  Don't really even care about it that much anymore to be honest.  I'll headcanon the rest myself.

Modifié par TJX2045, 27 juin 2012 - 05:14 .

[TheWraithlord]

Not a chance. Bioware went from being my favourite games dev to rock bottom. In case it escaped anyone:

THE ENDINGS ARE STILL THE SAME!!!!!!!

Only now it is worse because the epilogue scenes are the same as well so now there is even MORE of the same. Yeah, that really helped . I have bought every game Bioware has made until now (despite the little tags under my avatar saying otherwise) and I was more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with the EC but now..... lost customer. For good.

Modifié par TheWraithlord, 27 juin 2012 - 05:20 .

[ioannisdenton]

Changing my mind after some consideration. The ioriginal endings were a FIASCO. bioware blew it. but after the backlash from us the fans they made the EC.
which is quitte good. despite their claims they CHANGED the endings. but they cannot admit itworldwideas the press and critics and lame videogamereviewers are total IDIOTS about artistic integrity and such.
With the EC mass effect is Saved while the whole ending mission and sequenceis fixed.
Suppose some great Dlc comes the Whole experience will be better. As the ehole ME2 is along with LOTSB, arrival overlord, kasumi and Zaeed. the whole ME2 suite KICKS SO MUCH ASS.
Give ME3 some time and it will too.

[djarlaks10]

TJX2045 wrote...


It's implied.  They could've just done it but *shrug*.  More DLC?  Maybe.  Don't really even care about it that much anymore to be honest.  I'll headcanon the rest myself.

Then what was the point of EC? It was headcanonning (I guess I'm making some new words here) before, and it's headcanonning now. So I've just wasted several hours hoping to see a reunion scene with my squad, but what I got was a couple of pics from Tuchanka.

[DiE231]

The EC is mediocre, which is a HUGE improvement from the pile of turd we had in the first place. I won't even bother to point out what is missing, it's already been discussed over and over in countless threads.



I'll give bioware a -B for effort, but to be honest, i don't even care that much about the current state of the game.

Modifié par DiE231, 27 juin 2012 - 05:28 .

[bousquetr]

I really liked the EC personally. If they had released the game with the EC as the original ending I don't think there would be any backlash. For me, it explained almost everything I had questions about. Also, it was all free, they spent a lot of time and energy to do this and listen to the fanbase. I can respect that, even if they won't admit the original ending was thrown together to meet an EA release schedule.

I am done holding the line, mission accomplished in my opinion.

EDIT:  There was always going to be some backlash because some people feel they are better writers than the professionals who do this.  They may, in fact be better writers though, in which case they should stop complaining about how bad someone else's work is and show us what they got.

Modifié par bousquetr, 27 juin 2012 - 05:31 .

[DistantUtopia]

Forgive ME? Yes, but not enough to replay the whole series. Still feels off as an ending.

Forgive BW? Not really. I'm done pre-ordering stuff.

[Shepard Wins]

It is better, but BioWare won't be seeing any more of my money. Ever. So no.

[Jadebaby]

bookmarked this, interesting to see how your poll develops over the next couple of weeks, you should keep it fresh, you have gained a lot of feedback.

[LenabotSE]

The endings are still cliche, and the game itself is still shallow/arcade-y compared with the other two, but... you know, I give them credit. They made an effort when they could have just ignored everyone completely. It's good to be mindful of that and not be the total ingrates that the internet has painted ME fans out to be.

The EC is better than the original. I came away from it feeling better about the whole thing, with a more optimistic view of the future of the ME 'verse.

Of course, I picked Destroy, and my Shepard is alive to reunite with her family. I don't know why people are left guessing about whether or not Shepard's alive in the Destroy ending. Clearly is. The only way to make that more clear is to have Shepard waltz in during the memorial scene and give the crew a lapdance. I preferred that being left subtle-yet-clear. I guess they don't show the breathe scene unless you have high assets, but I think Shepard being alive is canon either way, and it's just a bonus to actually see the scene.

However, I probably won't buy another Bioware game without waiting for reviews first. I pre-ordered the N7 edition and now wish that I'd held out until after release.

[Baramon]

I'll never get through reading all the posts before I get a chance to (only on page 7 or so), so here goes...

"Is EC satisfying enough to forgive?"

Ummm, there was nothing to ever forgive, really. I was disappointed, sure, and I wanted a new (better) ending, but I didn't feel like BW/EA really owed it to me to give me one, so I was happy they went to the effort. I was anxiously looking forward to what they had done, and I grabbed it immediately upon hearing about it.

With that being said, first, I'm just going to give my thoughts on what I've seen. I liked the newer endings a little more, especially the destroy ending, and the option to just stick it to the starbrat and tell him to go sit and spin. So, I'm glad for that. Did I think it was a good ending? NO. Plain and simple. I knew it would never be a good ending, and I'm not referring to happy, rainbow-filled paradise ending either. I don't mind a tragic ending, but the writing for this was just sub-par from what I expected from Bioware's geniuses. I sure miss the good ol' days. Oh well, times past...times past.

I think it was a decent effort, for free, and it shows promise that they cared what the fans thought about their original "ending" and attempted to change it. But I also think it's too little too late. I still feel like they really let their fans down, then didn't acknowledge how badly they screwed up, made it out like it was our fault for "not getting it", then giving us this load of uselessness. Because what does it really solve? Not a whole lot. It's better, but only marginally.

I sure hoped that they were going to do it right and do it big. Make the series end on a bang instead of a fizzle. But they didn't. They stuck with their artistic integrity no matter what the cost. That's their decision, and I stand by mine: I won't be pre-ordering anything with the EA/Bioware name on it. I will be very hesitant to just buy their stuff blithely in the future. We'll see how it goes. Thanks, Bioware/EA for at least giving it a shot. It went a little wide, but it was close.

[Wolf]

I have changed my opinion. I previously stated that I thought the EC didn't make me feel anything about the series again. I was mistaken. While not perfect, the Extended Cut made me realize something funny. I have not experienced any ending other than Destroy, but from what I hear, they all give off a feeling of hope of some sort. This is what made me actually interpret the ending my own way. When seeing the epilogue scenes I got this feeling that everything would be alright. Yes the geth and EDI are gone but the Catalyst (still don't like this) said we would be able to rebuild. I want to assume this means that the geth and EDI can be brought back seeing as the Reapers probably have loads of information stored in them.

I know that a lot of people will disagree with me but frankly this has made me actually care about the universe again. It probably seems to be kind of a naive point of view but I prefer to see it that way. I would have liked the endings to show a reunion with the crew and for the Catalyst to be gone, but I can compromise a little for what we've got. Overall I'm happy

However I will still be cautious about future Bioware titles. Not really pre-order must-haves unless I have good information that something like this doesn't happen again. Sorry Bioware but I gotta cover my butt too, I have little money to spend on games and have to be careful with my purchases.

Good going though. I'm glad you pulled trough for me (as a customer) on this. Thank you and hope to play some of your new projects in the future.

[Suspire]

bousquetr wrote...

EDIT:  There was always going to be some backlash because some people feel they are better writers than the professionals who do this.  They may, in fact be better writers though, in which case they should stop complaining about how bad someone else's work is and show us what they got.

Fanfiction is better writing. If you need proof just go to a fanfiction website, ask for some recs.
I promise you can find less plot holes.

[JPR1964]

NO! the reject is the only one possible for me and it's just a finger in the face IMO...

JPR out!

[PoisonMushroom]

Endings are still pretty whack. But they're no longer incomplete and whack so that's an improvement.

They had a bash at sorting them out, which I appreciate, even if it was a little half-hearted and they kind of missed the point and didn't fix everything.

Still dislike all their PR moves though. Particularly how they acted at first like the endings only needed clarification as if we didn't understand them, before sneakily changing the things we were definitively right about like the relay explosions.

It's just an iffy game ending. I don't feel betrayed. I'll just buy their games if they seem good. Same as always.

[element eater]

i picked second realy i thought it was excellant but im hung up on the shep lives sequence or lack there of

[Code_R]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

bookmarked this, interesting to see how your poll develops over the next couple of weeks, you should keep it fresh, you have gained a lot of feedback.

Needs to be kept alive, way too few voters considering the anticipation levels

[Oldbones2]

It was never about the game.

It was about how Bioware treated its loyal customers for weeks after they voiced legitimate complaints.

And for those of you who say 'vocal minority'. I say who cares. In my business, if even one customer complains, I TALK TO THEM. I try to at least understand what the problem is, even if I ultimately decide to do nothing.

I don't ignore them for weeks, telling them to wait for others to form an opinion, I don't try and force them to be silent. I don't release a few blanket statements, then refuse to even discuss the issue.

The EC was never going to solve this rift between BW and me.

An apology or an admission of fault could have set us on the right path. But slightly better endings (that should have been on the disk to start with) were never going to cut it.

[Oransel]

Oldbones2 wrote...

It was never about the game.

It was about how Bioware treated its loyal customers for weeks after they voiced legitimate complaints.

Exactly.

[AdamRaynolds]

I like this new ending, but they should have make the refusal path work if your EMS is high enough... I mean if my EMS is really high, why the fleet couldn't just defeat the reapers without spacemagic? If not, its ok we lose and new cycle begins, but if I've make the fleet strong enough, they should've defeat the reapers...The ending would be really cool and beliveable this way IMO.

[Jadebaby]

bump for justice.

[Oransel]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

bump for justice.

Justice.

[oneyedjohn]

It was good enough to save my respect of Bioware. but not enough to salvage ME3.

[Jason Ralph]

I've been lost for some time now.
If you truly are unhappy with ME3's ending, why care what EA/BioWare says? How many times did they say one thing, and do another?
There's a certain point that you stop listening and reading what someone says, but rather, focus on what they do.
I knew the EC wouldn't "fix" the ending. That just wasn't going to happen. In order for that to happen, BioWare would have to admit they're wrong. People don't like to do that, unless of course, they are forced and dragged into doing so.
Which is why actions always speak louder than words. The real telling sign if BioWare is listening isn't what they do or don't do with ME3's ending (EC included), but the next game that follows ME3. BioWare has racked up a lot of criticism with ME2, DA2, and ME3. What they do, or don't do, to address them in the next game will reveal all you need to know: are they or aren't they listening...