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[Unfallen_Satan]

For the answer, please see sales data of the next BW game. Better yet, the next ME game. My personal answer isn't that important.

[free17]

Yes, it is absolutely acceptable. Not great, but acceptable. If the game had been released with the EC endings, I doubt there would've been much of an uproar at all.

[ztonkin]

It most definitely is. It filled the major plot holes and gave more closure and substance to the endings. It's obvious that this is how it should have always been, but that's fine. Whatever, they screwed up. But they fixed it. People may still complain, but BioWare did good.

[manwiththemachinegun]

Seems close to a 50/50 split hated vs. liked. On the BSN? That's saying something.

Nice job Bioware!

[Mr_Tee]

Yepp... Not everyone will agree with some of the choices of outcomes. Some out right hate them. But now at-least we feel that our decisions and relationships mattered some what, and the universe of the mass effect can live on. And you know what, it feels like it now is more 50% like and 50% hate, which is more or less normal and much better then what they had.

So i sat up an "Apology excepted". thred here that you can sign if you think Bioware did good. 

Everyone who thinks ME3:EC is a solid Apology. Post here.

Modifié par Mr_Tee, 29 juin 2012 - 07:25 .

[Alushadow]

in shorts NO

[brusher225]

I think you should have another option.

For the first part, same as number 2, only change the last part too: "would still forgive and buy future BW games".

[Aramintai]

No it wasn't, but I don't really care anymore like I used to a few months back.

I've been thinking for quite some time as to why I was so disappointed with the endings in the first place and I've come to a conclusion that the endings are irrevocably flawed because of the sheer existence of the Starchild. He is a deus ex machina, a plot device presented in the last 10 minutes of the game that comes and basically STEALS all my hard work, all the build up as to what the game led me to believe would be the final glorious confrontation between the Reapers and the united strength of all the allies I've gathered throughout the 3 games. He takes all these preconceptions of what the endings may be, which were never really disputed or discouraged throughout the game, and discards them as insignificant. I now HAVE to choose what the Starbrat orders me to choose and if I reject those options (made available in EC) by still trying to believe I can win with what I've achieved throughout the series I lose. Herein lies my biggest disappointment - the control over the choices I was able to make up until the end was lost, I was forced to choose RGB or lose. Only cold EMS numbers spoke as to which of the 3 forced options were available - not the argument about peace between Geth and Quarians, not the unity and determination of all the galaxy's civilizations, not the full paragon\\renegade bar and certainly not questioning that rogue AI's flawed logic.
Also Starbrat's presence makes me wonder about the point of ME1 and why he couldn't have opened the Citadel for the Reapers himself (Citadel itself is one giant plot device - a huge space station made trap for organics, a Mass Relay, a..Reapers "command center" and a catalyst of their destruction..what else?).

Some people were baffled as to what RGB options represented in the original endings, however EC only shows what I'm sure we all could understand on our own - none of the EC cutscenes came as a surprise (although Synthesis came out even creepier than I thought). And Starbrat's long winded exposition about them was really unnecessary too, imho. The cutscenes showing the consequences of RGB weren't bad, however they should have been included in the game in the first place. Also it would have been better if those cheap slide shows were replaced with in game non-prerendered scenes - they could have shown us more personalized epilogue, as well as much wanted extended Shepard breathing scene and reunion scene. But I guess it is too much to ask and it's not artsy enough as the slides.

No reunion and no explanation of Shepard's breathing scene was another big downer for me. If anything, this should have been expanded in EC, but I guess BW doesn't want anyone to feel happy for the poor Shepard - they want us to sacrifice him\\her for the greater "green" of all (yes, I'm sure everyone got the message as to what is BW's preferred ending is).

Also, EC invalidates the point of Normandy crashing on the "Paradise" planet and "Adam and Eve" theme, because it retcons the cutscene where Normandy flees from the beam - in it the Normandy is no longer shown damaged by it. They left the planteside scene with damaged Normandy (which now makes no sense) intact for the sake of Art, budget constraints or whatever, but the message is lost - the Normandy leaves the planet. Imho, they should have either left the original fleeing scene or retcon the planetside scene as well.

So, all in all EC doesn't fix the core flaw of the endings, explains some obvious stuff, retcons a few scenes and fixes some minor plot holes like squadmates "teleporting" to Normandy. Should I now be grateful and forgive the depression this game has wrought upon me back in March? I don't think so, EC only proved to me that, thankfully, I'm over this game's influence and that I don't really much care anymore about the series, because they were and still are ruined by the badly written endings.

Modifié par Aramintai, 29 juin 2012 - 08:34 .

[Code_R]

Still needs more votes, the main ending poll had over 60 thousand people not liking it

[ImperatorMortis]

I forgive.

[Fuzzfro]

Bioware is not forgiven for there failure to implement choices from previous games into Mass Effect 3.
Rachni queen, Collector base, genophage data, saving the council all had a very similiar outcome apart from a couple of war assets.

Now if they somehow made our choices have some larger impact and if they released good old mass effect 1 for the ps3 they would be forgiven.

[UniqueNickname]

YES - I am satisfied with EC, not because it's great, but because I appreciate their attempt to fix the ending and it fixed at least half of the problems vanilla ending has. Space magic with clarification is always better than space magic without it.

NO - I am not going to forgive Bioware. It's not only matter of crappy writing and couple of egoistic writters - it created a precedent releasing a unfinished game in terms of game content (i can understand unfinished only in terms of technical bugs) then having a try to fix actual DLC even given for free. Content of EC should be already in vanilla game x months ago!

NO - No, I will not buy any DLC. It's now a multiplayer title and not even a good one. I wanted a single player, story driven RPG, and that's something Mass Effect is slowly stopping to be. I will not support ME transformation into a generic multiplayer shooter.

YES - Yes, maybe I going to buy next Bioware's game, maybe next Dragon Age, maybe next Mass Effect should there be one, but I will be cautious.

and final NO - No, I am not going to buy any EA game! (I am finished with them since C&C 4)

[Marauder Shieldz]

Denethar wrote...

Meh, still filled with plotholes and no LI reunion, I doubt it.

This ^

Still left unsatisfied with lack of closure and large amounts of speculation. 

[ImperatorMortis]

UniqueNickname wrote...

NO - No, I will not buy any DLC. It's now a multiplayer title and not even a good one. I wanted a single player, story driven RPG, and that's something Mass Effect is slowly stopping to be. I will not support ME transformation into a generic multiplayer shooter.

I don't get this. You do know the single player, and multiplayer are made by seperate teams right? The only reason the Multiplayer side got more DLC is because the Single Player side was busy with the Extended Cut that people were asking for. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:55 .

[Kesak12]

UniqueNickname wrote...

YES - I am satisfied with EC, not because it's great, but because I appreciate their attempt to fix the ending and it fixed at least half of the problems vanilla ending has. Space magic with clarification is always better than space magic without it.

NO - I am not going to forgive Bioware. It's not only matter of crappy writing and couple of egoistic writters - it created a precedent releasing a unfinished game in terms of game content (i can understand unfinished only in terms of technical bugs) then having a try to fix actual DLC even given for free. Content of EC should be already in vanilla game x months ago!

NO - No, I will not buy any DLC. It's now a multiplayer title and not even a good one. I wanted a single player, story driven RPG, and that's something Mass Effect is slowly stopping to be. I will not support ME transformation into a generic multiplayer shooter.

YES - Yes, maybe I going to buy next Bioware's game, maybe next Dragon Age, maybe next Mass Effect should there be one, but I will be cautious.

and final NO - No, I am not going to buy any EA game! (I am finished with them since C&C 4)

This

[wbcundiff]

No. the EC does not satisfy my problems with the endings. If I could like it I would. Nothing bothers me more than the fact that I love the ME series and hate the endings so much. I'm not being belligerent. I'm being honest. I wasn't happy with DA2 and I can't like the endings to ME3. What does Bioware now have that I want? nothing. I get no satisfaction from saying that. I wish with my whole nerdy heart that Bioware still had it in them to make games that I love but it doesn't seem that they do.

[PrimeOfValor]

Denethar wrote...

Meh, still filled with plotholes and no LI reunion, I doubt it.

They heavily implied though and it kind of proves that they were listening. Could the EC done better if it was in the game first place? Hell Yes because bioware wouldn't have to worry about the memory limits due to mircosoft.

Modifié par bigmass41, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:59 .

[LadyMarisa]

Oransel wrote...

Really simple. Is the ending acceptable for you now or not? Will you forgive Bioware after what you have seen or are you leaving? Has the Retake's goal being completed? Or maybe it is just same turd, but under a chocolate cream of non-important things? Or maybe it made situation even worse?

Also, this poll http://social.biowar...58/polls/35742/

To answer the title question, for me: No.

I'm not "forgiving" Bioware, I will remain etremely skeptical for everything they do which will be compared to ME3 now. Though assuming what was said about those two men shutting themselves away and excluding the rest of the writing team is true, I may be less suspicious of a game if neither of those two names are attached to it. I think the answer to Retake is yes and no. I was part of it for a while, I think what we got in the EC *was* better than the original but only marginally. So in a literal sense, yes the goal was achieved but in the spirit of the movement? No. I don't think the EC made the whole ting worse, it made some things better but in the attempt, it made other things worse. The endings are still like the metaphor described above (strictly imo) though imo I don't consider it polished, it's essentially the same as it was before, only different foods went into making it this time.

[UniqueNickname]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

UniqueNickname wrote...

NO - No, I will not buy any DLC. It's now a multiplayer title and not even a good one. I wanted a single player, story driven RPG, and that's something Mass Effect is slowly stopping to be. I will not support ME transformation into a generic multiplayer shooter.

I don't get this. You do know the single player, and multiplayer are made by seperate teams right? The only reason the Multiplayer side got more DLC is because the Single Player side was busy with the Extended Cut that people were asking for. 

I simply hate idea of forcing multiplayer into something what suppose to be a single player only title. Dragon Age 1 and 2, Mass Effect 1 and 2 it went OK without any mutliplayer. ME3 forced it upon me with strange cross linking with SP. I know people working on SP were busy by EC but I still feel contents of EC should have been in original game - they wasted their resources on MP for no reason, majority of profits from ME3 sales comes from people asking for story driven RPG. 

[Ozida]

Aramintai wrote...

No it wasn't, but I don't really care anymore like I used to a few months back.

I've been thinking for quite some time as to why I was so disappointed with the endings in the first place and I've come to a conclusion that the endings are irrevocably flawed because of the sheer existence of the Starchild. He is a deus ex machina, a plot device presented in the last 10 minutes of the game that comes and basically STEALS all my hard work, all the build up as to what the game led me to believe would be the final glorious confrontation between the Reapers and the united strength of all the allies I've gathered throughout the 3 games. He takes all these preconceptions of what the endings may be, which were never really disputed or discouraged throughout the game, and discards them as insignificant. I now HAVE to choose what the Starbrat orders me to choose and if I reject those options (made available in EC) by still trying to believe I can win with what I've achieved throughout the series I lose. Herein lies my biggest disappointment - the control over the choices I was able to make up until the end was lost, I was forced to choose RGB or lose. Only cold EMS numbers spoke as to which of the 3 forced options were available - not the argument about peace between Geth and Quarians, not the unity and determination of all the galaxy's civilizations, not the full paragonrenegade bar and certainly not questioning that rogue AI's flawed logic.
Also Starbrat's presence makes me wonder about the point of ME1 and why he couldn't have opened the Citadel for the Reapers himself (Citadel itself is one giant plot device - a huge space station made trap for organics, a Mass Relay, a..Reapers "command center" and a catalyst of their destruction..what else?).

Some people were baffled as to what RGB options represented in the original endings, however EC only shows what I'm sure we all could understand on our own - none of the EC cutscenes came as a surprise (although Synthesis came out even creepier than I thought). And Starbrat's long winded exposition about them was really unnecessary too, imho. The cutscenes showing the consequences of RGB weren't bad, however they should have been included in the game in the first place. Also it would have been better if those cheap slide shows were replaced with in game non-prerendered scenes - they could have shown us more personalized epilogue, as well as much wanted extended Shepard breathing scene and reunion scene. But I guess it is too much to ask and it's not artsy enough as the slides.

No reunion and no explanation of Shepard's breathing scene was another big downer for me. If anything, this should have been expanded in EC, but I guess BW doesn't want anyone to feel happy for the poor Shepard - they want us to sacrifice himher for the greater "green" of all (yes, I'm sure everyone got the message as to what is BW's preferred ending is).

Also, EC invalidates the point of Normandy crashing on the "Paradise" planet and "Adam and Eve" theme, because it retcons the cutscene where Normandy flees from the beam - in it the Normandy is no longer shown damaged by it. They left the planteside scene with damaged Normandy (which now makes no sense) intact for the sake of Art, budget constraints or whatever, but the message is lost - the Normandy leaves the planet. Imho, they should have either left the original fleeing scene or retcon the planetside scene as well.

So, all in all EC doesn't fix the core flaw of the endings, explains some obvious stuff, retcons a few scenes and fixes some minor plot holes like squadmates "teleporting" to Normandy. Should I now be grateful and forgive the depression this game has wrought upon me back in March? I don't think so, EC only proved to me that, thankfully, I'm over this game's influence and that I don't really much care anymore about the series, because they were and still are ruined by the badly written endings.

This ^

I am not upset with BioWare anymore because I simply don't care about ME universe that much now. From an epic adventure it has became just another game to play and forget about.

Will I buy future games from BW? Probably yes, just because I like playing games and don't want to burn bridges because of just one ruined series. Will I buy ME3 DLC? Most likely no (unlesss they have huge effect on the ending and multi-hours missions).

[satunnainen]

Why would I want to forgive the OP?

[Baa Baa]

"Forgive but never forgot" Is how I feel about this. I've forgiven them but don't plan on buying any products from them again. The ending is really just mediocre now, but somewhat satisfying with a sense of victory and closure to your romance.

[frostajulie]

For me yes already forgiven but never forgotten.

I will not ever be purchasing CE of games nor preordering them again, I will not trust game hype and until I see player reviews as far as I am concerned EA and Bioware are full of lying salesmen who want my money. Well they will not be getting it until I can assure myself that their commitment to a quality product passes fan inspection.

That being said I really like the new endings because they dealt with the major issues I had eg nihilistic ending possible detruction of all I fought for and most importantly of all the feeling the ending left me with. Previously I felt like I had 3 flavors of loss and failure that made all my hardwork pointless and futile but now I feel like even if I die or transcend I still win the game. I end the game now feeling satisfied. Thats what I needed more than little blue babies although I would pay for that ending. Just saying.

[dbt-kenny]

nope not at all did nothing at all for me