Star child was the biggest problem and he is still there. I appreciate biowares effort, but the overall ending is still terrible.
Is EC satisfying enough to forgive?
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Oransel
, juin 26 2012 12:27
#626
Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 03:38
#627
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 08:47
this one says it all
#628
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 08:54
....hehe.....No!
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#629
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 10:07
The Problem wasn't closure or expansion on endings, it was just the god damn starbrat and endings which didn't fit. so No
#630
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 10:33
The Extended Cut fixes the ending so it's no longer sloppy and shoddy, and I'm willing to forgive them for doing a bad job with the ending. I still find the whole ending distasteful and thematically wrong, but this is more a matter of taste. I'm disappointed that they chose to stick to this story, because I think it ruined so much of the Mass Effect universe for me, but that is a matter of taste, so it's nothing to forgive. Everybody is still entitled to their own opinion.
#631
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 10:36
Yeah kinda. It sorts out not having a clue what happened and not being shown any repercussions for your final decisions. It explains some of the glaring plot holes and inconsistencies. And it feels more like an ending now with a little more closure for the characters in the universe.
Is it perfect? No. But it's an actual ending now. As long as I make sure I pick Destroy or Control it's okay for me. Synthesis is still too ridiculous to consider. I kinda pretend it isn't there.
Is it perfect? No. But it's an actual ending now. As long as I make sure I pick Destroy or Control it's okay for me. Synthesis is still too ridiculous to consider. I kinda pretend it isn't there.
#632
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 10:40
44% people still hate the ending
33% are satisfied or happy
23% neutral
33% are satisfied or happy
23% neutral
#633
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 10:41
Even if the EC was a load of rubbish that only made things worse (it definately was not) the other 99% of the game was good enough to forgive.
I think Chris Livingston said it best on Twitter: "It's like Bioware ran a marathon, came first and then were so excited they shat themselves crossing the line."
You still enjoy the race and give them the medal, it's just something unfortunate that they'll never be able to live down.
I think Chris Livingston said it best on Twitter: "It's like Bioware ran a marathon, came first and then were so excited they shat themselves crossing the line."
You still enjoy the race and give them the medal, it's just something unfortunate that they'll never be able to live down.
#634
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 10:46
Sort of. It made Bioware seem a little more likeable and it at least made the ME franchise replayable again but the fact remains that the last two Bioware games were hugely disappointing and ME3 was a disappointing send off to a truly great franchise.
#635
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 10:51
What exactly is there to 'forgive' here? So they created an ending that you didn't particularly like. Is this such a heinous crime, such an offensive act, such a grave injustice? Er, no, in the grand scheme of things, I don't think so. Do you want Bioware to come grovelling to you on their knees, begging your forgiveness? Do people have such an inflated sense of self importance? I think if there is forgiveness to be given here, perhaps it should be directed towards those who have been overtly offensive, who have left foul-mouthed rants on people's social media accounts, who have demanded people lose their jobs and livelihoods, people who have questioned and belittled people's skills and ability to perform their job. Presuming these people actually apologize and ask for forgiveness that is. But we know that won't happen, don't we?
#636
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 10:54
They can throw around free stuff and tacos as long as they want. EC, for me, was not a sign of understanding and listenig but persuasion, nothing more.
#637
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 11:02
Have I already said no?
No.
No.
#638
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 11:07
Hahahahahaha
How about no?
Nope.
How about no?
Nope.
#639
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 11:24
i think they fill in the problems good but i don't forgive them for the ending
#640
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 11:27
No.
All they did is put some sugar into the caster oil to make you want to vomit less.
Was still a crappy way to end a triliogy of games. The ending choices seemed to belong to a completely different universe.
All they did is put some sugar into the caster oil to make you want to vomit less.
Was still a crappy way to end a triliogy of games. The ending choices seemed to belong to a completely different universe.
#641
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 11:37
It made the game seem playable again for me, so yes. It still falls well short of the wonderful ME2 imo but at least it has been modified enough so that the sense of player agency is restored in ending choice and feels less of a series destroying trainwreck that made me avoid touching the game after experiencing it.
#642
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 11:47
if i play it i play until the assault on eart there i will stop
#643
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 11:49
imo; though I love the trilogy (ME2 being the best of the 3 "arguably" , though now in a lot of threads i see people are questioning the need to have play it) what made Mass Effect 3 good was what ME2 set you up to feel about ME3. Sure it was good (as I have 20 saves and continue to play them cause I don't want all those hours wasted that I played and set up 3 for) the best word i can come up for the End of ME3 (and the end of the Trilogy?) is
anticlimactic
1. A decline viewed in disappointing contrast with a previous rise
2. Something trivial or commonplace that concludes a series of significant events:
3. A sudden descent in speaking or writing from the impressive or significant to the ludicrous or inconsequential, or an instance of it:
Points lean toward the following
1. Harbinger- no final confrontation with him.
2. Implied endings- may work well for acts 1 and 2 but for an end to a trilogy- disappointing (most of my frustrion on that point is centered around the Destroy ending, the fact that there is no reunion scene even a small scene just some twitter nonscense and head cannon). The other choices seem somewhat complete and though I would have never chosen refusal after what I've seen I do respect the result in an absolute victory for the reapers (no head cannon there).
3. No true closure for Surviving ME2 sqaudmates. it would seem that BW really disliked the characters.
so in short the endings to me are just "meh" to me, but BW said they wern't changing it just explianing it - putting dietary icing on a low calorie cake
anticlimactic
1. A decline viewed in disappointing contrast with a previous rise
2. Something trivial or commonplace that concludes a series of significant events:
3. A sudden descent in speaking or writing from the impressive or significant to the ludicrous or inconsequential, or an instance of it:
Points lean toward the following
1. Harbinger- no final confrontation with him.
2. Implied endings- may work well for acts 1 and 2 but for an end to a trilogy- disappointing (most of my frustrion on that point is centered around the Destroy ending, the fact that there is no reunion scene even a small scene just some twitter nonscense and head cannon). The other choices seem somewhat complete and though I would have never chosen refusal after what I've seen I do respect the result in an absolute victory for the reapers (no head cannon there).
3. No true closure for Surviving ME2 sqaudmates. it would seem that BW really disliked the characters.
so in short the endings to me are just "meh" to me, but BW said they wern't changing it just explianing it - putting dietary icing on a low calorie cake
#644
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 12:05
GreenFlag wrote...
44% people still hate the ending
33% are satisfied or happy
23% neutral
That's precise as hell.
Where exactly did these numbers come from?
Even looking at the polls here (and believe me I have) you can only get a rough estimate.
#645
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 12:11
I'm not 100% pleased, I will be honest. There is a lot that catches my eye as wrong. Most glaringly is the Starchild. He does not fit, and hardly looks the part of the most evil thing in the galaxy. Reapers are horrible evil monstrosities, they either kill you and make you into a husk thing or some abomination. They are protecting nothing, preserving nothing - only raping and destroying lives. They are not a cleansing fire. Cleansing fires do not dominate organic life and turn them into Keepers and Collectors - where you become a bug if you are not good enough to make another Reaper.
I wanted a boss fight! I did not want recycled enemies. How many Banshees are on Earth, anyhow? It gets a little old. Harby needed to die. We could have fought him, brouhght the Normandy in to kill Harby (a coup de gras), and pick up our wounded.
Just get rid of Starchild - the idea is dumb. Have a holographic Reaper there. Sovereign already said that Reapers were the apex of organic life - no need for synthesis. You cannot control anyhting if you are toast - thats an attempt at indoctrination. Make it a plausible thing without enough galactic readiness. We should get plenty of indoc theory stuff from TIM. Make Destroy the gist of the game. Galactic readiness gives the optoins of Shep has to die with the Citadel, or if he makes it out of there and with who.
As you can see, my ideas are not perfect either. I guess thats the point.
They did put in extra effort. Yes, the writing was not what I had hoped it would be. But overall, the game is good. There are many touching moments in it. I can close the book and say I at least got my money's worth.
I wanted a boss fight! I did not want recycled enemies. How many Banshees are on Earth, anyhow? It gets a little old. Harby needed to die. We could have fought him, brouhght the Normandy in to kill Harby (a coup de gras), and pick up our wounded.
Just get rid of Starchild - the idea is dumb. Have a holographic Reaper there. Sovereign already said that Reapers were the apex of organic life - no need for synthesis. You cannot control anyhting if you are toast - thats an attempt at indoctrination. Make it a plausible thing without enough galactic readiness. We should get plenty of indoc theory stuff from TIM. Make Destroy the gist of the game. Galactic readiness gives the optoins of Shep has to die with the Citadel, or if he makes it out of there and with who.
As you can see, my ideas are not perfect either. I guess thats the point.
They did put in extra effort. Yes, the writing was not what I had hoped it would be. But overall, the game is good. There are many touching moments in it. I can close the book and say I at least got my money's worth.
#646
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 12:18
Oransel wrote...
Really simple. Is the ending acceptable for you now or not? Will you forgive Bioware after what you have seen or are you leaving? Has the Retake's goal being completed? Or maybe it is just same turd, but under a chocolate cream of non-important things? Or maybe it made situation even worse?
Also, this poll http://social.biowar...58/polls/35742/
No
The ending is OBJECTIVELY flawed mechanically and it is flawed thematically. No matter what you do you are in some way agreeing with the Reapers by the result. They spit in the face of all the ideals and themes the series promoted.
Mass Effect will never be complete until it has an actual Mass Effect ending.
#647
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 12:21
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
Yes Of course the endings were **** but with the ec they are epic now!!
love you bioware!!
love you bioware!!
#648
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 12:23
Short answer : No.
The original endings were pretty garbage yes, but my distrust of Bioware didnt stem from the endings but from the long list of lies they told to get us to buy the game, not to mention the condescending attitude shown towards fans who felt lied to and insulted.
Make an extended cut where you apologize for being full of #%#%#" in every interview leading up to the release of the game and we'll talk forgiveness.
The original endings were pretty garbage yes, but my distrust of Bioware didnt stem from the endings but from the long list of lies they told to get us to buy the game, not to mention the condescending attitude shown towards fans who felt lied to and insulted.
Make an extended cut where you apologize for being full of #%#%#" in every interview leading up to the release of the game and we'll talk forgiveness.
#649
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 12:25
See quote in sig spot. No I still can not complete either play through. I refuse to finish my games. Bioware "tried" with EC, I tried. Oh well
#650
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 12:27
No the main problems with the endings are still their, they just smell like strawberrys now.





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