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[Usagihunter101]

Eh. I just got done watching all three endings on Youtube. The endings are better than I feared but worse than I hoped. The extra cutscenes are nice, but the real problem is that the endings themselves are still just as bad at a basic level. In much the same way that no amount of racing stripes or flame decals is going to make a Yugo into a sports car, no amount of clarification and explanation will make these endings any better. From what I've seen the new endings don't fix the most basic problems

I respect Bioware's "Artistic Integrity", however they do need to realize that integrity doesn't make the endings any better. Perhaps (Despite trying to keep my expectations in check.) I expected too much, but the EC is not the reason I was hoping for to reinstall the game or have any hope that Bioware's 2009-201? years will be any different than Westwood's 1998-2003 years.

[Blacklash93]

No, but it was a thoughtful and appretiated gesture that I consider somewhat succesful.

[LucasShark]

NO.... less awful is still not good.

[Quething]

Another poll here, a bit more oriented toward the idea of getting past the original ending than how the new one works in isolation.

For me, it's not enough to *forgive.* It does a lot to make the game playable, though it doesn't fix the most fundamental problems with the story. But that's not what needs forgiveness. Anyone can write a bad scene. I can get past that. What needs forgiveness is the condescension, the insults, the abuse, the nose-thumbing from BioWare and its PR machine, the incessant refusal to admit they screwed up even if the only way to do so is to tell us we're idiots, the incessant lies before the game shipped and their persistent refusal even now to own up to them.

The EC demonstrates that they did listen, they did understand what we wanted, and they had no interest in giving it to us, or admitting to any of their own failings or misbehaviors. That doesn't encourage forgiveness on my part, and without forgiveness I have no reason to reconsider BioWare's loss of my loyalty as a customer.

[sporeian]

Idk....

It was Really good, still had some plot holes and no reunion, but still pretty good....


HOWEVER, I am torn between synthesis (happy for everyone) and destroy (shep lives, bjt synthetics all die)

[Old Books]

The problem I have with the question OP is that no EC could have made up for what BioWare has done since ME3 was released. It's not the appalling ending that was the major problem but how BioWare, primarily Casey and his cohorts, lied all the way up to the release and have subsequently treated the fans with disdain and a lack of respect. The EC is good IMO, it rectifies most issues and provides an (implied) LI/Shepherd reunion for those who want it.

Do I forgive BioWare? I don't think it's a question of that; they make great games, ME3 included, and the majority of their employees (who we hear from on the forums) are amiable, but the people in charge seem to have been so 'EA'd' that it is going to be hard to believe anything they say infuture. As it is, I am hopefully DA3 will be brilliant.

[SpartenN7]

[Wilkco]

If they had included a happy reunite li/squad then they would have had people a lot more happy the Ec is a lot better than the rubbish we had before but could have been so much better.

So to answers the op question is no I have not forgiven them for what they have done.

[FS3D]

Many people have said that the Extended Cut would be the equivalent of polishing a turd. The X360 YouTube videos that have been posted with the new endings have not disabused me of this notion.

I will D/L the PC version when it comes along later today, to see what "personalisation" there is for characters, but as far as I'm concerned, this is a polished turd.

I'll consider Marauder Shields to be my canon ending. Koobismo has so far doe a bang up job and the BioWare writers could do with a lesson from that guy.

But while Hudson and Walters may continue to complain about their "artistic vision", I'll maintain my "capitalistic vision" and keep my wallet firmly in my pocket with respect to all EA and BioWare titles.

[Buddy_88]

 I would say yes.

Unfortunately I haven't played with EC yet since the PC version isn't available atm, but from what I've seen on Youtube from all the endings I can say that this is acceptable.  I would say that I would have enjoyed it much better if this were the original endings rather than being DLC.  But the fact that the DLC is FREE and Bioware spent resources over the past three months to hold a promise is admirable of any large company and a move that will certainly keep me interested in any possible future for ME.

On a crictical standpoint, I still think the endings could have been a bit more precise and unique given that this was supposed to END the Sheperd Story.  I personally was hoping to see more concrete evidence of Sheperd reuniting with the Normandy crew and possibly his LI, like a slide after Hackets commentary of sillouttes of Sheperd, his LI and maybe a small child overlooking a rebuilding London with the distant Citadel visible in the sky, but I'll admit I am a sap and maybe that would have been too cheesy.  The important thing though is that from what I've seen from EC Destroy ending at best ending, my dream ending is logically possible.  The Normandy is able to leave the paradise planet since relays and citadel are repairable, and does so, and the crew seems to have knowledge that Sheperd is indeed alive since his plaque is held, but not added to "The Fallen" board.  While I think more definate endings could have been made, the EC content takes out some of the really big holes, and allows me to piece together my own personal ending within the bounds of logic. So in short, I'm satisfied.

[Oransel]

FS3D wrote...

Many people have said that the Extended Cut would be the equivalent of polishing a turd. The X360 YouTube videos that have been posted with the new endings have not disabused me of this notion.

I will D/L the PC version when it comes along later today, to see what "personalisation" there is for characters, but as far as I'm concerned, this is a polished turd.

I'll consider Marauder Shields to be my canon ending. Koobismo has so far doe a bang up job and the BioWare writers could do with a lesson from that guy.

But while Hudson and Walters may continue to complain about their "artistic vision", I'll maintain my "capitalistic vision" and keep my wallet firmly in my pocket with respect to all EA and BioWare titles.

Agree completely!

[ctanctan]

no

[lm_Commander_Shepard]

No. The entire catalyst plot device was ridiculous. Mac Walters sucks at his job. I did not expect it to be resolved-- it's gone from an F to a D+ perhaps.

[oh.Snake]

Oransel wrote...

Really simple. Is the ending acceptable for you now or not? Will you forgive Bioware after what you have seen or are you leaving?

Lets just say that there was only one ending I could accept.. the new one. I can accept that one where we lost that war.

The green one would be okay as well, if it wouldn't force everything and everyone to glow green. I mean, really.. it just looks ridiculous Can someone tell me how all the people out there can sleep with their eyes.. glowing..?

I also thing that we deserve an happy ending. I wouldn't say that an happy ending would be the best one.. I never chosed it in Dragon Age Origins, so.. I'm okay with tragic endings.. but happy endings should at least be a possibility. So? In ME3 we can not chose between three things: Killing EDI and every synthetic live out there (why can't we just kill the reapers? This still makes no sense.) or we can die in green or blue lightning.

I gave BioWare my trust, again.. and they came up with this. "Buy future DLC?".. sure not. If something is broken, fix it.. do not expand it - I'm out

[Necrotron]

It's hard to have a 'fixed' ending when they threw out the majority of the feedback on the original as unfeasible.

Oh well.

[tamperous]

EC would have a mediocre ending to an good but buggy and ultimately flawed game if it had been the ending on release day.

However the nearly 4 months of verbal war between fans, arrogant artists implying people were to stupid to understand their art and the fact that there is no way fandom can go back to the chaotic, stupid, and fun way it was before means it had to be a home run to make the consequences of BWs actions to be forgivable.

Since I don't think their art was worth the grief. I'm going to have to agree with FS3D and go with the catechism of the free market and say there is only one true choice when it comes to video games.

[BadlyBrowned]

Is the EC better than the trash original? Absolutely, in a lipstick on a pig kind of way.

Am I satisfied with the EC? Nah. I was down on the *entire* original ending, gameplay wise and plot wise, from the moment the Earth mission started. I kinda already knew the EC was not for me. I do rather like the refusal ending I must admit.

As for forgive? Do I want to go out and pre-order Dragon Age 3 now? Nope. Do I appreciate what Bioware was trying to do? Sure, even if it didn't work for me.

[Oransel]

Don't forget about the poll. Hope it will make good statistic survey as the one with original endings.

[Vlta]

eh, EC made the ending what it should have been originally. It was still a bad ending, but it went from complete bomb to the usual case of an ending that shot itself in the foot. Can't say I'll be looking for new Bioware games with enthusiasm, if I even look at new bioware games.

[Vexille]

guess im in the minority... It was enough for me to remain a bioware customer, I got my happy ending with the implied Shep/LI reunion.

I feel I can replay the series again now that I know it can have a happy ending.

they fixed the awful ending... hell I might even buy DA3 now

[trickfred]

Nope. The new endings are logistically no better than the release endings, just with some paint and sparkles thrown onto them.

Now I don't even get the pleasure of plugging a few cathartic rounds into the Crapalyst, because BW has decided to make my Shepard (and thus, me) look like a petulant child for doing so.

[Ranathenen]

SpartenN7 wrote...

Average endings at best. I would have been happy if these had been the original ones, but these are by no means the quality of what I had hoped for.

[Deavent]

Definitely!
Now I won't have to sit and think about what really happened anymore. "Oh, what happened to all the different species stuck on earth", etcetera, etcetera. This was far more easily digested.

So BioWare most definitely is forgiven. Not that I was angry with them before (seeing as 99.998 % of the trilogy is the greatest gaming experience I've ever had even with the original ending), but still.

[selphiegirl]

This shouldn't have been an "Extended Cut". This should, in my opinion, have been in the game from the release. I know I wouldn't have been so angry.
This could have kept me a fan of BioWare.
I probably won't be seen on here for much longer.
I'm turning away from BioWare mostly because of how this whole thing was handled. I didn't appreciate being called an idiot for not getting the ending, not to mention "artistic integrity". It's not worth it to be insulted by the company for buying their games and not being happy with what I got.