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[Vikali]

wulf3n wrote...

It may be a common bad guy cliche but it's still stupid.

Vikali wrote... 
Shepard was desperate. You make bad calls in desperation.

Shepard makes a lot of bad calls.

I don't disagree with you. But it doesn't really bother me. Things like that have always been a staple of the hero's story.

[Krozuhsky]

wulf3n wrote...

Vikali wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Vikali wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

I'll help you fire up your brain power. It is essential for Harbinger to kill the humans racing towards the beam. There is a whole squad including Shepard. He can either take Shepard our (or try to), or shoot the sip that is actually evacuating people from the hot zone. If he prevented travel to the beam in the first place, the Normandy was good as dead anyway.

Why was it only evacuating people?  what was the normandy doing that was so unimportant that it could disengage from the battle to save the galaxy to evac 2 people? 

Shepard ordered them to. This shouldn't even have to be explained. Go watch and see it for yourself.

you're giving superficial answers, that don't actually answer the questions raised.

So why did shepard jeopardise the normandy for 2 crew members? Why did shepard not order all non-essential personnel off the normandy once it was clear Harbinger didn't give a ****. Why did Harbinger not think the normandy was bringing in reinforcements the moment it came into firing range?

Vikali wrote...
Yet in the end, that super laser failed to keep two individuals from crossing the beam. It's not as fool proof as we'd like to think.

 

Ohhh thanks for pointing out another issue. Why would harbinger leave the conduit undefended even though it's the single most important military asset they must control?

He left after he though everyone was dead. And now you're asking an age old question in a different situation. "Why do bad guys monologue?" Maybe Harby was just cocky.

 

It may be a common bad guy cliche but it's still stupid.

Vikali wrote... 
Shepard was desperate. You make bad calls in desperation.

Shepard makes a lot of bad calls.

"Get in and finish them off!"-Shepard fighting the Collector Cruiser with Thanix Cannons.

[Subject One]

darthnick427 wrote...

Meh. I was alright with the destroy ending. I'm satisfied..

This. I was right with my interpretation of the endings and the Reapers meaning. The Reapers are designed as a superior life being of the 'organic' life that is reaped in every cycle and the crucible is the way to 'chage' the program designed by a very old lifeform. It is IMPOSSIBLE to defeat all the reapers using brute force.

After use it the universe is not 'doomed', space travel can be fixed,  and also it is possible to stay alive an return with your squadmates.

My only complaints were some ploholes with the Normandy crew that now are more or less addressed. And some extra stuff to see the 'races' fate is added.

So I'm happy with the EC. And we have it for free.

But you can complaint if you don't like it, of course. But, please, don't be drama queens. It's only an artistic direction that you don't like, that's all. Get over it.

Modifié par Subject One, 26 juin 2012 - 02:26 .

[Anthadlas]

Vikali wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

Vikali wrote...

savionen wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

I'll help you fire up your brain power. It is essential for Harbinger to kill the humans racing towards the beam. There is a whole squad including Shepard. He can either take Shepard our (or try to), or shoot the sip that is actually evacuating people from the hot zone. If he prevented travel to the beam in the first place, the Normandy was good as dead anyway.

So, attack little random people instead of the obvious main threat? Man, the Reapers are stupid.

How was the Normandy a threat? It was evacuating the incapacitated. Shepard was the threat.

Shepard has a pea shooter and the Normandy has a Thanix Cannon (Why did it never get used in this game btw?)

Plus we saw Harbinger had multiple lasers and was able to fire them very fast compared to other Reapers, Surely he would have fired at the Normandy to keep it at bay and prevent it picking up survivors

Yet in the end, that super laser failed to keep two individuals from crossing the beam. It's not as fool proof as we'd like to think.

Lol stop trying to desperatley fill in the plotholes that Bioware has yet again created.
It makes no sense to ignore such a massive target that has got the better of you so many times so u can shoot ground infantry. End of

[Vikali]

Wraith 02 wrote...

Lol stop trying to desperatley fill in the plotholes that Bioware has yet again created.
It makes no sense to ignore such a massive target that has got the better of you so many times so u can shoot ground infantry. End of

Lol. The only desperate person of the two of us is you. You're desperately trying to mke me see how evl this company is. How bad this game is. I'm actually playing through it again as we speak. I'm happy. I'm merely trying to provide explanation and my interpretation to others.

[brummyuk19]

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

Normandy Stealth Drive?

Humans give off heat, tanks give off heat, with the stealth drive engaged the normandy doesnt give off heat. Harbinger would not of seen the normandy.

Modifié par brummyuk19, 26 juin 2012 - 02:31 .

[Krozuhsky]

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

Normandy Stealth Drive?

Humans give off heat, tanks give off heat, with the stealth drive engaged the normandy doesnt give off heat. Harbinger would not of seen the normandy.

Then how do all the other Reaper ships see the Normandy? And why did the Collector Cruiser see the Normandy? And the Oculi?

[brummyuk19]

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

Normandy Stealth Drive?

Humans give off heat, tanks give off heat, with the stealth drive engaged the normandy doesnt give off heat. Harbinger would not of seen the normandy.

Then how do all the other Reaper ships see the Normandy? And why did the Collector Cruiser see the Normandy? And the Oculi?

What other reapers? No other reapers take a shot at the normandy. And because the stealth drive was not active then because they needed the extra power for kenetic barriers and to manuver.

Modifié par brummyuk19, 26 juin 2012 - 02:37 .

[Vilegrim]

brummyuk19 wrote...

Helmschmied wrote...

They adressed the main points people were complaining about. The plot holes, the closure, what more do you want?!

Yeah, except they didn't.

You just want perfection. You're not going to get it. No game is perfect. Just accept that and enjoy it for what is is. Stop reading so deeply into everything, you come off as a whiny nerd.

The only capacity star hitler should have appeared in was being tortured until the heat death of the universe, then carried to a new universe and tortured their (red hot meat hooks work well I hear)   It is like ending Allied Assault by putting on an SS uniform and killing Eisenhower and Churchill.  He is that big a monster.

[TK EL_]

Vikali wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

Lol stop trying to desperatley fill in the plotholes that Bioware has yet again created.
It makes no sense to ignore such a massive target that has got the better of you so many times so u can shoot ground infantry. End of

Lol. The only desperate person of the two of us is you. You're desperately trying to mke me see how evl this company is. How bad this game is. I'm actually playing through it again as we speak. I'm happy. I'm merely trying to provide explanation and my interpretation to others.

Not to take sides, but you sound like the desperate one Wraith. Its bad writing. You can choose to like it or not, thats personal but it doesn't change the fact. 

[Krozuhsky]

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

Normandy Stealth Drive?

Humans give off heat, tanks give off heat, with the stealth drive engaged the normandy doesnt give off heat. Harbinger would not of seen the normandy.

Then how do all the other Reaper ships see the Normandy? And why did the Collector Cruiser see the Normandy? And the Oculi?

What other reapers? No other reapers take a shot at the normandy. And because the stealth drive was not active then because they needed the extra power for kenetic barriers and to manuver.

You know,Soveriegn. The Reapers that chase you in the scanning minigames. And what? The Oculi can see through the stealth drive. In the ME Wiki, this is what it says "True to their name, Oculi can see through both the Normandy SR-2's stealth systems and an Infiltrator'sTactical Cloak."

[GreenDragon37]

They did a better job than the ending originally was. For the most part, I am satisfied.

[Vikali]

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

Normandy Stealth Drive?

Humans give off heat, tanks give off heat, with the stealth drive engaged the normandy doesnt give off heat. Harbinger would not of seen the normandy.

Then how do all the other Reaper ships see the Normandy? And why did the Collector Cruiser see the Normandy? And the Oculi?

What other reapers? No other reapers take a shot at the normandy. And because the stealth drive was not active then because they needed the extra power for kenetic barriers and to manuver.

You know,Soveriegn. The Reapers that chase you in the scanning minigames. And what? The Oculi can see through the stealth drive. In the ME Wiki, this is what it says "True to their name, Oculi can see through both the Normandy SR-2's stealth systems and an Infiltrator'sTactical Cloak."

I don't recall when Sogereign attacked the Normandy when stealth systems are active. Refresh my memory. It's been a long while since ME1 for me. And I don't think the stalth systems are sustained 100% of the time. It would chew through way too many resources. It's always been a situational tool.

As far as Oculi, it sounds like they were designed for that purpose. That doesn't mean Reapers possess the same capabilities.

[Krozuhsky]

Vikali wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

Normandy Stealth Drive?

Humans give off heat, tanks give off heat, with the stealth drive engaged the normandy doesnt give off heat. Harbinger would not of seen the normandy.

Then how do all the other Reaper ships see the Normandy? And why did the Collector Cruiser see the Normandy? And the Oculi?

What other reapers? No other reapers take a shot at the normandy. And because the stealth drive was not active then because they needed the extra power for kenetic barriers and to manuver.

You know,Soveriegn. The Reapers that chase you in the scanning minigames. And what? The Oculi can see through the stealth drive. In the ME Wiki, this is what it says "True to their name, Oculi can see through both the Normandy SR-2's stealth systems and an Infiltrator'sTactical Cloak."

I don't recall when Sogereign attacked the Normandy when stealth systems are active. Refresh my memory. It's been a long while since ME1 for me. And I don't think the stalth systems are sustained 100% of the time. It would chew through way too many resources. It's always been a situational tool.

As far as Oculi, it sounds like they were designed for that purpose. That doesn't mean Reapers possess the same capabilities.

But if our Almighty Space Gods have tech that can see through those, why not put onto themselves? It's not like they lack the resources.

[Vikali]

Krozuhsky wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

Normandy Stealth Drive?

Humans give off heat, tanks give off heat, with the stealth drive engaged the normandy doesnt give off heat. Harbinger would not of seen the normandy.

Then how do all the other Reaper ships see the Normandy? And why did the Collector Cruiser see the Normandy? And the Oculi?

What other reapers? No other reapers take a shot at the normandy. And because the stealth drive was not active then because they needed the extra power for kenetic barriers and to manuver.

You know,Soveriegn. The Reapers that chase you in the scanning minigames. And what? The Oculi can see through the stealth drive. In the ME Wiki, this is what it says "True to their name, Oculi can see through both the Normandy SR-2's stealth systems and an Infiltrator'sTactical Cloak."

I don't recall when Sogereign attacked the Normandy when stealth systems are active. Refresh my memory. It's been a long while since ME1 for me. And I don't think the stalth systems are sustained 100% of the time. It would chew through way too many resources. It's always been a situational tool.

As far as Oculi, it sounds like they were designed for that purpose. That doesn't mean Reapers possess the same capabilities.

But if our Almighty Space Gods have tech that can see through those, why not put onto themselves? It's not like they lack the resources.

Maybe they were with the human reaper? I wasn't under the impression they upgrade themselves. Just keep making better versions.

[brummyuk19]

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

Normandy Stealth Drive?

Humans give off heat, tanks give off heat, with the stealth drive engaged the normandy doesnt give off heat. Harbinger would not of seen the normandy.

Then how do all the other Reaper ships see the Normandy? And why did the Collector Cruiser see the Normandy? And the Oculi?

What other reapers? No other reapers take a shot at the normandy. And because the stealth drive was not active then because they needed the extra power for kenetic barriers and to manuver.

You know,Soveriegn. The Reapers that chase you in the scanning minigames. And what? The Oculi can see through the stealth drive. In the ME Wiki, this is what it says "True to their name, Oculi can see through both the Normandy SR-2's stealth systems and an Infiltrator'sTactical Cloak."

They only chase you if you use your scanner, which gives away your position to everything reaper in the system. Was they using the scanner at the time of pick up? I seriously doubt it... unless they were looking to prove the team up. 

Modifié par brummyuk19, 26 juin 2012 - 02:51 .

[Krozuhsky]

Vikali wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

So.. about how Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy when they were sitting there IN HIS FACE.. So the Harbinger of our destruction is both blind and stupid?

Normandy Stealth Drive?

Humans give off heat, tanks give off heat, with the stealth drive engaged the normandy doesnt give off heat. Harbinger would not of seen the normandy.

Then how do all the other Reaper ships see the Normandy? And why did the Collector Cruiser see the Normandy? And the Oculi?

What other reapers? No other reapers take a shot at the normandy. And because the stealth drive was not active then because they needed the extra power for kenetic barriers and to manuver.

You know,Soveriegn. The Reapers that chase you in the scanning minigames. And what? The Oculi can see through the stealth drive. In the ME Wiki, this is what it says "True to their name, Oculi can see through both the Normandy SR-2's stealth systems and an Infiltrator'sTactical Cloak."

I don't recall when Sogereign attacked the Normandy when stealth systems are active. Refresh my memory. It's been a long while since ME1 for me. And I don't think the stalth systems are sustained 100% of the time. It would chew through way too many resources. It's always been a situational tool.

As far as Oculi, it sounds like they were designed for that purpose. That doesn't mean Reapers possess the same capabilities.

But if our Almighty Space Gods have tech that can see through those, why not put onto themselves? It's not like they lack the resources.

Maybe they were with the human reaper? I wasn't under the impression they upgrade themselves. Just keep making better versions.

I could be wrong about Sovereign, but the Collector Cruiser definately could see through Stealth drives. And what of the scanning minigame ones? 

[QuixoticRogan]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Okay, so why *does* your team abandon you at the end? How does the Normandy end up on the battlefield? Why does Harbinger not blast it to smithereens? Why does Harbinger just leave? Why does Joker follow an order that'd make him abandon Shepard? Why does Garrus, of all people, encourage him to leave? How does shooting a tube destroy the Reapers? How did Shepard know that that's the way to activate that particular function? Who'd construct it in such a fashion?

Seems to me they did exactly what I feared: instead of ditching all the terrible stuff, they tried to stitch it together - and inevitably failed.

BECAUSE THE CRUCIBLE WAS ABOUT TO FIRE AND...  Well, stuff.

I did enjoy the poetic slap in the face from Bioware regarding the Refusal ending.  "Well, way to go.  You don't want our endings?  Fine!  NOW everyone dies!  NOW you lose!  I hope you're happy with all your misery because it certainly didn't stem from how poorly we handled the script!"

It's really a good idea to show contempt for your audience.  Now Bioware's done it twice over only this one's a lot more direct.

[Vikali]

Krozuhsky wrote...

I could be wrong about Sovereign, but the Collector Cruiser definately could see through Stealth drives. And what of the scanning minigame ones? 

Collector Cruiser wasn't a Reaper in either parts of the game where it appears. When you scan, as stated by the previous poster, you relay your location through those pulses to the Reapers. Engaging stealth after a reaper has already seen you may be futile as it won't just make them forget about you or your possible travel patterns?

I guess. Haha.

[scottish_sin]

Subject One wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Meh. I was alright with the destroy ending. I'm satisfied..

This. I was right with my interpretation of the endings and the Reapers meaning. The Reapers are designed as a superior life being of the 'organic' life that is reaped in every cycle and the crucible is the way to 'chage' the program designed by a very old lifeform. It is IMPOSSIBLE to defeat all the reapers using brute force.

After use it the universe is not 'doomed', space travel can be fixed,  and also it is possible to stay alive an return with your squadmates.

My only complaints were some ploholes with the Normandy crew that now are more or less addressed. And some extra stuff to see the 'races' fate is added.

So I'm happy with the EC. And we have it for free.

But you can complaint if you don't like it, of course. But, please, don't be drama queens. It's only an artistic direction that you don't like, that's all. Get over it.

I'm with you two. I was thoroughly satisfied with the destroy ending.

[Krozuhsky]

Vikali wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

I could be wrong about Sovereign, but the Collector Cruiser definately could see through Stealth drives. And what of the scanning minigame ones? 

Collector Cruiser wasn't a Reaper in either parts of the game where it appears. When you scan, as stated by the previous poster, you relay your location through those pulses to the Reapers. Engaging stealth after a reaper has already seen you may be futile as it won't just make them forget about you or your possible travel patterns?

I guess. Haha.

Speculations for everyone? Or maybe TIM's Line:HAVE A LITTLE FAITH.
Ninja edited~

Modifié par Krozuhsky, 26 juin 2012 - 02:57 .

[Vikali]

Krozuhsky wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Krozuhsky wrote...

I could be wrong about Sovereign, but the Collector Cruiser definately could see through Stealth drives. And what of the scanning minigame ones? 

Collector Cruiser wasn't a Reaper in either parts of the game where it appears. When you scan, as stated by the previous poster, you relay your location through those pulses to the Reapers. Engaging stealth after a reaper has already seen you may be futile as it won't just make them forget about you or your possible travel patterns?

I guess. Haha.

Speculations for everyone?

Sometimes it's hard to seperate gameplay from story, or to put them together. Sanning was boring before, so they tried to spice it up. So all we can do is speculate. Haha.

[mrbauxjangles]

idk raising a mark from a F to a C- or C is not a good job imo i guess good you made it less ****ty but it is still ****

[panamakira]

It was a vast improvement and even satisfactory to me but I'm stil confused why they didn't do this in the first place? Btw, still hate Star "Harvy" Child. Never should've been there though~

[Herr Igor]

WHERE IS MIRANDA???????????

Modifié par Herr Igor, 26 juin 2012 - 03:02 .