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[Basher of Glory]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

What recent game was supposed to offer WHIPS as weapons, and how well were those implemented, especially the animation? I don't recall seeing one in use . .

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Well, there was one of my all time favourites: HotU (Hordes of the Underdark), the second expansion of NWN 1.
Since then no whips at all.

For the "chained balls":
http://en.wikipedia..../Flail_(weapon)

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

CHAINBALL AND FIGHTER STAFFS!!!!!!!



WHO NEEDS THAT WHEN U HAVE THE ALMIGHTY SWORD STARFANG

[mathewgurney]

Dark83 wrote...

mathewgurney wrote...

I defy you to hand me any object that i can not employ in some way however inefficient to end someones life, human ingenuity is at its finest when seeking to decapitate, disembowl, ex-sanguinate or otherwise smite other organisms.

Yes, yes, you're Chuck Norris and Sir internet toughguy who can use anything to kill anything.
The fact that you can kill someone with a bottle of scope and a rubber band makes them weapons if we go with "2. anything used against an opponent, adversary, or victim: the deadly weapon of satire.", but not weapons if we go with "1. any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon."

Your "OMG, with this thing I can totally pwn this other guy" is annoying and contributes nothing to a discussion on the merits of various weapons (and tools used as weapons). Given that we're not all Sir Badass Internettoughguy, the rest of us have to look at history.

Try harder, i'm totally immune to your badly written verbal attacks because yes im all those things and more simply by possessing common sense and actual experience, i'm sorry if that makes you  feel inadequate but that's not the point i was making. 
ANYBODY, given sufficient motivation and a handy tool, can kill someone, the human body is fragile and the means to disrupt its systems and cause death are almost limitless. 
No serious effective warrior ever chose his weapons based on how pretty or stylish they were. 
I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you have to defend yourself or your loved ones with only what equipment you happen to have to hand, while you're hesitiating about whether that crowbar "looks good on you" or "matches your gucci sunglasses" the opponent is gonna be cramming the sharp end of a broken bottle in your neck, robbing your bleeding corpse and raping your boyfriend.
Wake up ^^

[Dark83]

mathewgurney wrote...

Try harder, i'm totally immune to your badly written verbal attacks because yes im all those things and more simply by possessing common sense and actual experience, i'm sorry if that makes you  feel inadequate but that's not the point i was making. 
ANYBODY, given sufficient motivation and a handy tool, can kill someone, the human body is fragile and the means to disrupt its systems and cause death are almost limitless.

What does common sense tell you about how relevant macho "anything can kill!" statements are in a discussion about the merits of historical weapons?
Actual experience? You regularly kill people using various tools and weapons?

No serious effective warrior ever chose his weapons based on how pretty or stylish they were. 

O...K? Do you have a point here, or are you just tossing strawmen around with your burly manly strength? All I remember is talking about logistics and more effective weapons for the hypothetical uses your imagination actual experience brought up.

I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you have to defend yourself or your loved ones with only what equipment you happen to have to hand, while you're hesitiating about whether that crowbar "looks good on you" or "matches your gucci sunglasses" the opponent is gonna be cramming the sharp end of a broken bottle in your neck, robbing your bleeding corpse and raping your boyfriend.
Wake up ^^

Oooh, so that's your actual experience?

[mathewgurney]

Boring, it's obvious you live a nice comfy little suburbanite life in a gated community where no-one ever actually experiences anything worse than mild verbal sparring, where violence is reduced to an abstract concept that only happens to poor people and you don't fully understand the reality of it. Don't want to interact with weak drone divorced from reality, please dont bother to respond, end comms.

Modifié par mathewgurney, 15 décembre 2009 - 11:30 .

[Dark83]

Right, "I can't address anything you said at all, so I'll just say some manly gibberish". You make a strong point there, I don't see how I can argue with that.

Also, I'm amused at your community where you use medieval weaponary in your day to day, violent, life.

[Darpaek]

I can vouch for him. I shoved a broken bottle up his ass IRL a couple years ago. In our hardcore ghetto life we can't go to the cops when things like that happen and he couldn't get a doctor to remove it because Joe Lieberman decided we don't get healthcare.



In all seriousness, though - I collect medieval weaponry. I bought a ball-n-chain style flail when I was 16 and took out the basement door on accident. It's hardcore, it's real, and you're not going to hurt yourself with it (just like nunchuks - in fact, they're derivations of the same weapon-tool). And as a kid that grew up on a farm, our farmer neighbor owned scythes - both small one-handed ones and the big grain shearing kind. If I decided to kill someone with that big ole scythe - they'd be dead.



And I have a friend that owns (and knows how to use) bullwhips. He could use a bullwhip to cut down a tree if he had the time and inclination.

[Blue_dodo]

perhaps because ball and chain, flails,spears etc would each require completely different animations and would also need a different skill tree that frankly would only work with a few diffrent weapon variants .



plus I somehow see a ball and chian/flails being a nightmare to animate also (if you were going for realism) these weapons would be ungodly slow do to the fact that they rely on momentum, which would mean a charge time would have to be added ( again unless you want to break realism)





I do agree that spears or halberds would be cool although I see them being mostly defensive with talents that trip and has a high armor piercing value

[Darpaek]

There is nothing slow about a ball and chain. They're wielded similarly to nunchuks.

[Blue_dodo]

Darpaek wrote...

There is nothing slow about a ball and chain. They're wielded similarly to nunchuks.

okey fair enough my mistake.

[Dark83]

Darpaek wrote...

There is nothing slow about a ball and chain. They're wielded similarly to nunchuks.

The three weapons I trained with back in karate were the kama, bo, and nunchucks, funny enough.

Note that I haven't said anything about them being ineffective as weapons.

Dark83 wrote...
 a chain which would be relatively difficult to maintain and produce.

I objected to their logistics. Why make the chain when you could have 1.5 warhammers in the time it takes?
It's also (as far as I can see) historically not used mounted, because... well, why increase your chance of braining your own horse if you miss in the middle of a charge? Having an unstable platform and a weapon you can't change direction easily along with the large animal restricting your horizontal arc to less than 180 degrees would be a bad idea.

[Darpaek]

I never said you did. I simply compared the fighting style since they're derived from the same weapon.



There's a reason lots of towns outlaw nunchuks.

[Dark83]

They're racist against turtles, obviously. Bastards.

[Gecon]

Hmm Swords, Axes, Maces, Twohanded versions of the former, plus Daggers, Bows, Crossbows.



I think thats enough weapon types for me.

[kingthrall]

to solve this bickering, whoever said sythes were not good for weapons is correct, i was just merly pointing out they are not exotic, they are western tools that should be in the game since they are part of the time period this game is set in.



Still, its kind of silly also that they dont have clubs, i mean seriously a hunk of wood anyone can pick it up. Its not like they need to invent tree's

[Marvin TPA]

It would be nice to have an improvised weapon system like Jade Empire or some of the old CapCom games. Otherwise I think they would need some penalties to use to represent the design flaws and then who would use them. Why use a club when you can take a mace which has been made for battle.



The game is short of the whole spear weapon tree. This is probably a graphic issue though, although without horses it might be argued that the need is less pronounced.



In another thread a Dev. was quoted as saying Fereldan was based on Scotland (no I cant remember where sorry). The weapons available fit this very well, even if the armour is a tad off.

[Dark83]

We need a petition to have ham hocks as weapons. Come on Bioware, we know you can do it, you did it before!

[pmaura]

I am big fan of the flail, as well as spear and shield combo and just spear. would be cool as hell to be able to throw a spear at opponent then egage with a sword and collect spear later like fallout

[Darpaek]

Spears actually are very Scotland. Irregular infantry's weapon of choice! More Scots have wielded a spear into battle than ever wielded a claymore.

[kingthrall]

Darpaek wrote...

Spears actually are very Scotland. Irregular infantry's weapon of choice! More Scots have wielded a spear into battle than ever wielded a claymore.

hence why i find this game kind of stupid when it tries to make excuses of not having this kind of weaponry in the this particular period.

[Bryy_Miller]

Don't want to interact with weak drone divorced from reality, please dont bother to respond, end comms.

No, you're the one being weak by refusing to be civil.