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[TJX2045]

No_MSG wrote...

TJX2045 wrote...

 I didn't even realize there was now a "reject" ending but I think it's a pretty obvious outcome if you don't do anything.  We knew the story's ending was going to stay the same.  If you thought it would be different clearly people did not read the original announcement on the EC...

Technically, according to the announcement, we weren't getting a new ending at all.

And it isn't technically.  It's just that instead of a "game over" screen you get the same outcome I'm guessing but the game ends.

[Star fury]

That's the best ending, but it turns out as a slap in the face. And there is no colour thank God!

[Buggz]

Player “No. I’m going to end this war on my terms.”

Bioware “The hell you will!”

I actually really like this ending. I just wish the strength of my war assets played a bigger role. You know, fighting the inevitable heroic last stand.

[Squallypo]

why is walter and hudson so mad about us ? they were so mean in the transition from being nice to evilness with the response of " SO BE IT" :c

[Ryzaki]

You know a "F*** YOU!" final suicide run where they managed to kill themselves and take out a good chunk of the Reaper forces would've been awesome.

[GreyLycanTrope]

My favorite ending. Wish it would actually let us win instead of giving us the middle finger however.

[BDelacroix]

All it tells me is that the star kid was a final ploy by the reapers to get what they wanted after all.

I didn't fall for it. I blew them all straight to hell.

[Eylos]

imo the best ending

like I said in another thread

-red one sucks: because you leave comrades to die and sheppard would never do that
-blue: because in the end you say "ok ilusive man i was fighting you all the game but you are right", and the idea of god sheppard kinda sucks
-green: sarens ideal, humans and synthetics in one, "the best of both the weakness of none", the ending didnt tell the influences on what become synthetic or not

the reject is the only one that says " i will fight for my crew and prove your solutions is wrong" even that he died he sucess in the next cycle

and leaves expectation in how the next cycle deated the reapers

[M0keys]

BDelacroix wrote...

All it tells me is that the star kid was a final ploy by the reapers to get what they wanted after all.

I didn't fall for it. I blew them all straight to hell.

no you didn't

you chose their own methodology for destroying themselves. like they would do that after a billion years of dominance anyway.

they're probably still out there, but it's kind of a moot point. mass effect seems so... empty...

man...

[Squallypo]

Ryzaki wrote...

You know a "F*** YOU!" final suicide run where they managed to kill themselves and take out a good chunk of the Reaper forces would've been awesome.

this is what i wanted, beat the odds as shepard always does, but apparently bioware didnt wanted us to do that at all its not "our story" in the end<_<

[Mythosaeon]

No_MSG wrote...

_Flipp_ wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

_Flipp_ wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Synthesis doesn't remove diversity.  Krogans are still Krogans, Geth are still Geth, Turians are still Turians, etc.  Shepard told TIM that he couldn't control the Reapers, and to his knowlege that was true.  The Crucible proved him wrong.  The entire story has been based on preconceptions being disproven.

I need to contradict this one. It is cleary stated that Synthesis will create a new DNA which is the same for all. Now it's up to everyone by himself to define "Diversity of races" through looks or through their DNA....

No. He says a 'new' framework/DNA. Never says that everyone will have the same DNA. And it isn't a matter of looks, it's a matter of attributes. Krogan are still visibly disparate from humans and Asari in significant ways in the synthesis ending. Is your assumption that for some reason, things that aren't physically visible are all going to be the same now? What's your justification for that?

If it is just a new DNA for everyone, why they all stop fighting? If there would still be diversity in the DNA then the good old evolution ( Survival of the fittest ) would kick .

Also starchild claims that organics would reach "the perfection" they seek - so that means with diversity there are different kinds of perfect?

The original synthesis ending, at least, says that it's the final evolution of life.  

None of it still makes a lick of sense.

Great so now there's hybrid organic/AI life everywhere.  So what the laws of reality itself have been completely altered so that pure organic life never evolves again - or comes visiting/invading from another galaxy?

And these oh so wonderful final-evolution-of-life-beings are never, ever, going to create pure AI again that gets a superiority complex or some fringe group creates pure biological offspring who decide at some point 'they' are the chosen uncorrupted people?

Bad story that wasn't thought through or peer reviewed is still bad story.

Modifié par Mythosaeon, 27 juin 2012 - 12:06 .

[Maialeth]

ROCKS FALL EVERYONE DIES!

But.. I do like the fact that they actually included the option.

[MetioricTest]

I really really do not agree with the notion that the "reject" ending is a "screw you to the fans." not in the slightest

[Hejdun]

I like to think of the Refusal ending as the "winning conventionally" ending. Since they don't show or explain much of anything, I choose to believe that in the grand battle for Earth, the galaxy's fleets manage to cause massive losses to the Reaper fleet before they lose. The next cycle, using the knowledge we pass onto them (i.e. Reaper weaknesses, the effects of indoctrination, reaper technology like the Thanix cannon, possibly knowledge of the Ilos Conduit, warning of the Citadel, etc) is able to then withstand the Reaper invasion conventionally.

I utterly reject Jessica Merizan's assertion that the next cycle wins because they use the Crucible. Liara's message explicitly tells the next cycle that the Crucible didn't work, and not to bother.

[KevTheGamer]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

It seems that a lot of people are taking it quite poorly, as a slap in the face. This is totally understandable for the people who wanted a happier ending.

However, I don't think BioWare was deliberately trying to insult players by including it. The "reject but fail" is a pretty classic "die free rather than live as slaves" kind of outcome. Before the EC, it was already insinuated that doing nothing would lead the Reapers to victory - this just shows a bit more.

What say you?

That is how I look at it. I like the rejection its the big middle finger saying even though you destroyed us we lived life exactly how we wanted to. It just sucks that everyone had to die because of it. 

[Subject M]

Mythosaeon wrote...

No_MSG wrote...

_Flipp_ wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

_Flipp_ wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Synthesis doesn't remove diversity.  Krogans are still Krogans, Geth are still Geth, Turians are still Turians, etc.  Shepard told TIM that he couldn't control the Reapers, and to his knowlege that was true.  The Crucible proved him wrong.  The entire story has been based on preconceptions being disproven.

I need to contradict this one. It is cleary stated that Synthesis will create a new DNA which is the same for all. Now it's up to everyone by himself to define "Diversity of races" through looks or through their DNA....

No. He says a 'new' framework/DNA. Never says that everyone will have the same DNA. And it isn't a matter of looks, it's a matter of attributes. Krogan are still visibly disparate from humans and Asari in significant ways in the synthesis ending. Is your assumption that for some reason, things that aren't physically visible are all going to be the same now? What's your justification for that?

If it is just a new DNA for everyone, why they all stop fighting? If there would still be diversity in the DNA then the good old evolution ( Survival of the fittest ) would kick .

Also starchild claims that organics would reach "the perfection" they seek - so that means with diversity there are different kinds of perfect?

The original synthesis ending, at least, says that it's the final evolution of life.  

None of it still makes a lick of sense.

Great so now there's hybrid organic/AI life everywhere.  So what the laws of reality itself have been completely altered so that pure organic life never evolves again - or comes visiting/invading from another galaxy?

And these oh so wonderful final-evolution-of-life-beings are never, ever, going to create pure AI again that gets a superiority complex or some fringe group creates pure biological offspring who decide at some point 'they' are the chosen uncorrupted people?

Bad story that wasn't thought through or peer reviewed is still bad story.

The space magic was bad, yes. But I doubt they will ever need to create pure AI again, especially if they can network to process information. (Even if it did, it would never be able to threaten the galactic comunity given its lead). It would mean they have acess to a processing and problem solving capacity far beoynd anything even the reapers and the gath had (which is not strange as they are a part of that comunity now).
And as the population increase, so does the power of the network.

[Creighton72]

Mallaidh wrote...

Creighton72 wrote...

Personally I think the 4th ending is nothing more than a clue. I don't think it's an ending at all, but ties itself to the story. The moment the Catalyst spoke with the reaper voice, seems to be one big screaming warning about him. Then I look at destroy which is not really a bad ending except for the sacrifice of the Geth and Edi. The races of the universe band together to overcome the Reaper destruction on their own. But when I look at the memorial wall scene, Shepards name does not go on the wall. At first I thought that was a slap in the face, but then started wondering why would you put a living person on a memorial wall. That seemed to be a second clue.

Take in the fact that the other two endings are both closer to warnings than they are good things. Control, one person basically becoming god. When has one person having all the power ever been good? Synergy the single push button ending that makes everything perfect. Don't really have to work for anything every again, everyone gets their wish. The to perfect world that has no price. Both of those are well established warnings signs in almost every form or writing genre ever.

My question is if you tie all the endings together did BioWare pull the wool over everyones eyes for a 4th game? Dropping suttle clues and warnings. You notice with all the endings they seem to not want to say certain things or reveal to much. They have done this twice. The clue in the starchilds voice switch, Shepard taking a breath and his memorial plaque not going up, the well established warning of one person having to much power and the classic disengenuous perfect world that is achieved with the push of a button. There is no perfect world where everything suddenly becomes easy.

Smells like a 4th game to me.

As much as I hate to say it, this makes sense and it will drive me nuts they broke their word on it being a trilogy but it might not be so terrible to read the plot after the game is released(no I will not buy it)

I honestly have no clue if they will do a 4th game, the "one more story" moment tends to lead me that way, but nothing is in stone. It does seem that they have left themselves an option though. If I had to actually take this on the surface as it is what it is then, I would say Hudson is a great project lead and lousy writer. I know he wrote the endings but did not write the whole story, and Drew wrote most of it to begin with, with ME and ME2. But if he thought that ripping off Deus X for control was a great ending, the Stepford Wives for Synergy, the middle finger for refusal (do what I say or I will kill everyone), and trying to blackmail fans away from destroy buy using Edi and the Geth was a good idea, then he has a lot to learn as a writer. Control and Synergy are classic literary examples of what not to do and have been beaten to death. Generally they are used as warnings in literary fiction. Remember the matrix? They tell Neo that they had to remake the Matrix with flaws because people kept rejecting it, because it was to perfect. Be careful what you wish for comes to mind. Or with control the classic, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutly. Not many writers are going to say that is a good idea. Then again synergy asks the player to forgive a genocidal maniac who chose the absolute worst solution to a cycle he created.

So I am left with my own option of either the writers became totally incompetent, spiteful of their own fans, and let a hack writer write the ending. Or they left themselves enough wiggle room to write a 4th story. I am really hoping for the second to be correct but fear that a ego maniac hack writer just told me to go #### myself.

[t3hTwinky]

IMO, the original endings were bad because they gave the player no real idea as to what happened- as in, there was almost no information being given other than colored explosions and a jungle somewhere.

I discovered the Reject ending completely by accident- I shot the stupid ghost kid- but found myself kinda satisfied. It was nice and simple, all the information I needed was right there. Yeah, it's a downer, but at least it made sense.

[King Mark XNIRX]

They should of made it that if you had a very high EMS you beat the reapers without the crucible and all races survive. If its a bit lower all races take significant losses but you still win the war. (although the krogans become extinct if you sabotaged the cure) If its too low you lose the war like what happens in this new ending

Modifié par King Mark XNIRX, 27 juin 2012 - 01:13 .

[Dartack]

This is what I think of this ending
Bioware: You don't like our colors? F**k you, everyone dies! *evil laugh*

[jsimonye]

Hackulator wrote...

Many people said they would be happy with an ending that was some future cycle discovering Liara's archive. Bioware gave them that.

Edit: btw I accidentally did this one my second play through by turning around and shooting starkid in the face while walking towards destroy lol

I did this too. While walking towards Destroy, I turned around and said "Thanks for nothing you little ****". And shot 'em in the head. Unknown to me, it started the new ending! I was like....oops. lol

[Sifr]

Given how he immediately dropped the cute little kid act and became a menacing Reaper?

Now I no longer feel guilty for sacrificing EDI and the Geth. Blowing that abomination out of existence is far more important, something that pure evil simply cannot be allowed to continue.

Modifié par Sifr1449, 27 juin 2012 - 01:40 .

[Astralify]

Sifr1449 wrote...

Given how he immediately dropped the cute little kid act and became a menacing Reaper?

Now I no longer feel guilty for sacrificing EDI and the Geth. Blowing that abomination out of existence is far more important, something that pure evil simply cannot be allowed to continue.

^ditto

[fr33stylez]

As much as I'm still dissatisfied with the endings...what did you really expect would happen if you Reject the options? You getting teleported back to London and the Reapers suddenly implode?

The game had already established that the Reapers were winning and cannot be beaten conventionally. The 'WIN' button that is the Crucible was establish at the beginning of ME3. It's clear the plot would not allow for any options besides using the Crucible to defeat the Reapers. At least when you choose reject, you provide information for future cycles to defeat the Reapers.

[Palladin123]

While the 'reject' ending is the least developed of all the four in terms of dialogue, ending cutscenes etc., I think it's the most emotionally poignant ending. That all of Shepard's and the crew's efforts over the three games weren't enough to stop the reapers in this cycle, but the information gained in this cycle was hopefully used in the next cycle to stop the reapers once and for all. I felt sad yet satisfied that everyone's sacrifice wasn't in vain.

If they had developed the 'reject' ending a bit more - a cutscene of Garrus and Tali making a last stand against a horde of reapers, EDI holding a fatally wounded Joker, Ashley and Vega giving up their lives so that Liara could escape to install her data bunker, and then finally a last scene of Liara sealing the completed bunker from the outside, loading her pistol and walking out for one last fight - , the 'reject' ending could have been a fitting ending for one of gaming's greatest trilogies.