I think the refusal ending was a nice addition, especially when the kids voice changes to a bitter/angry tone that sounds almost like Harbinger's voice after you tell him to buss off....or shoot him the face like i did.
Let's discuss the "Reject" ending
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TheKillerAngel
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#77
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:17
SeaJayX
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I nearly crapped my pants when he said "So be it"
#78
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:17
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Freakiq wrote...
wicked_being wrote...
Well the new Stargazer scene heavily implies the next cycle won against the Reapers. You gotta wonder how they did it. Did they improve on the Crucible's design or did they have other options? Argh more questions than answers
Maybe the just chose another ending?
Liaras capsuel had everything in it as in EVERYTHING.
So they probably found it early and built everything,
and then harbinger comes in and says"We are the harbinger of your....."
*falls dead*.
#79
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:20
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I'm going to miss shooting infinite bullets into that little twerp's face. Dialogue "reject" leads to losing the war? Okay, makes sense. Shoot Starchild to vent your player frustration? Screw you player, trolololol GAME OVER. That was petty.
#80
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:22
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People hate it because there is no proper "good" ending. I would be fine with picking endings which weren't perfect if I only had the CHOICE of having a good ending.
So far the scope of choices is:
Failure
Pyrrhic victory
Uh... less bad Pyrrhic victory
Even less bad Pyrrhic victory
So far the scope of choices is:
Failure
Pyrrhic victory
Uh... less bad Pyrrhic victory
Even less bad Pyrrhic victory
#81
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:22
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I'd say that the people who wanted such a thing should be appeased that it even exists at all in some form now.
#82
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:22
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SeaJayX wrote...
I nearly crapped my pants when he said "So be it"
I got this after shooting at the kid and did not expect a response. So I had the same reaction as you.
What is interesting is that the playthrough I used for the Extended Cut was also to get the Insanity achievement. After getting this ending they did not give it to me. I got it once I reloaded and chose Control. Implications... funny.
#83
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:23
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TheKillerAngel wrote...
Let's discuss the "Reject" ending
Oh... You mean the "Brown" ending? But wait... Wait. They were all brown.
#84
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:24
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It's the most thematically consistent ending in the game right now, though I would've preferred a bit more emotion from Shep, who essentially just stood there as the camera zoomed out.
That said, though, the ending seems to imply that the Crucible was designed by the Reapers specifically as a means to allow the cycle being harvested a chance. Its construction, completion and firing being their own proverbial crucible, their challenge, to overcome. If they succeeded, the Catalyst deemed his solution failed. If they won, the Catalyst would continue his harvest and see how the next cycle fared. perhaps this is why Reapers act as storage devices for harvested species: to allow all this information to return to use once the cycle is broken.
The whole situation with the EC now seems to hint at the Catalyst not so much stating with certainty that synthetics will destroy organics, but that this is an assertion that he is simply waiting to see disproven, and so long as the cycles fail his assertion remains unchallenged.
In fact you could now begin to argue that the whole point of the cycles at all is simply to make life hard on organics to see if they had the strength it took to overcome the worst threat they could possibly face, leaving them no clues and no hints.
Of course this leaves a million and one plotholes unsolved (the biggest one being: if synthesis is supposedly the Reapers' utopia, why did they not just cause it themselves?), but yanno... the point of the EC was only to polish a turd, not to make it edible.
That said, though, the ending seems to imply that the Crucible was designed by the Reapers specifically as a means to allow the cycle being harvested a chance. Its construction, completion and firing being their own proverbial crucible, their challenge, to overcome. If they succeeded, the Catalyst deemed his solution failed. If they won, the Catalyst would continue his harvest and see how the next cycle fared. perhaps this is why Reapers act as storage devices for harvested species: to allow all this information to return to use once the cycle is broken.
The whole situation with the EC now seems to hint at the Catalyst not so much stating with certainty that synthetics will destroy organics, but that this is an assertion that he is simply waiting to see disproven, and so long as the cycles fail his assertion remains unchallenged.
In fact you could now begin to argue that the whole point of the cycles at all is simply to make life hard on organics to see if they had the strength it took to overcome the worst threat they could possibly face, leaving them no clues and no hints.
Of course this leaves a million and one plotholes unsolved (the biggest one being: if synthesis is supposedly the Reapers' utopia, why did they not just cause it themselves?), but yanno... the point of the EC was only to polish a turd, not to make it edible.
Modifié par Eain, 26 juin 2012 - 04:26 .
#85
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:27
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What I find to be highly interesting is that he wants you to use the Crucible to destroy the Reapers, yet he exterminates you if you try to take him out the conventional way. What? I don't get this. Also, why get pissed off at Shepard for refusing to use the Crucible?
Modifié par liggy002, 26 juin 2012 - 04:27 .
#86
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:27
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Question: if the new cycle is going to get the crucible plans and then decide to pick synthesis, what was the point?
#87
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:32
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Their problem.
I personally picture the yahg making the Reapers their **** (and by that I mean grinding them into dust the old fashioned way, not Control) come next cycle. And asari are still on top apparently.... figures.
I personally picture the yahg making the Reapers their **** (and by that I mean grinding them into dust the old fashioned way, not Control) come next cycle. And asari are still on top apparently.... figures.
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#88
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:34
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You have been fighting them all game and getting your butts kicked. The two admirals said many times that they can't win conventionally that they were getting owned all over the place. The only reason why the Reapers had not killed everyone is that they take their time harvesting people.snk575 wrote...
i dont like how u werent given the opportunity to fight the reapers yourself if u pick this choice... and i kinda wanted to see how shepard died... id like to imagine that it was shepard vs 100,000 troops running through omni blading until death...
Refusal was a good additional ending and a needed one IMO. The Crucible was a machine that could do 3 things. If you don't like any of them and don't pick any of hem then you will be wiped out. Which was were you we're headed in the first place without the Crucible. It's nothing personal and to think that BW is punishing you is thinking too highly of yourself.
#89
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:35
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I accidentally did this on my first playthough. Laughed myself into tears when I realized that what I thought was happening was actually happening.
#90
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:38
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I like the reject ending, makes sense for Shep's personality. And the starchild saying "so be it" and continuing the cycle after Shep shoots him makes more sense than him not reacting.
I don't think it's petty at all or directed at the hold the line people. What Shep has been told by all the ME antagonists turns out to be true: The Reapers cannot be defeated by conventional means. Either play the Reaper's game via the Crucibal or the cyle continues. I'm ok with that. It's logical, consistent, and free of plot holes.
I don't think it's petty at all or directed at the hold the line people. What Shep has been told by all the ME antagonists turns out to be true: The Reapers cannot be defeated by conventional means. Either play the Reaper's game via the Crucibal or the cyle continues. I'm ok with that. It's logical, consistent, and free of plot holes.
#91
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:40
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Yeah, making this trigger when you shoot him is definately troll face, but not so much when you reject through dialogue.
#92
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:41
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Watched the ending on youtube. It's really really bad. I know some people like it and I agree it is what Shepard would probably do (I think), but it so crap. But it IS like a big F U. At least it gives some people that choice. I'm still waiting for EC myself, but I reckon I'm going to choose destroy.
#93
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:41
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Eain wrote...
It's the most thematically consistent ending in the game right now...
For the sake of posterity, I disagree with this notion 100%. But whatever hovers your speeder. /shrug.
#94
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:42
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I think the refusal ending should be the only one that takes our EMS into account and we should be able to win conventionally in that ending too, but with a much higher cost.
Below 2000 EMS: total defeat
3000 EMS: Reapers defeated, but most races are extinct, including humans, Shepard dies
4000 EMS: Reapers defeated, only humans are extinct, Shepard dies
5000 EMS or more: Reapers defeated, no race is extinct, Shepard lives
Below 2000 EMS: total defeat
3000 EMS: Reapers defeated, but most races are extinct, including humans, Shepard dies
4000 EMS: Reapers defeated, only humans are extinct, Shepard dies
5000 EMS or more: Reapers defeated, no race is extinct, Shepard lives
#95
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:42
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I love the way the Starchild says "SO BE IT"...
I honestly love the reject ending...
Now there's two pickable choices...
I honestly love the reject ending...
Now there's two pickable choices...
Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 juin 2012 - 04:44 .
#96
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:43
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CrutchCricket wrote...
Their problem.
I personally picture the yahg making the Reapers their **** (and by that I mean grinding them into dust the old fashioned way, not Control) come next cycle. And asari are still on top apparently.... figures.
A yahg should have been talking to the kid in the post-credits scene!
#97
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:44
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It is exactly what I will do when I feel I want to buy another Bioware game.
#98
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:48
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Did you noticed, that Bioware lied again? In EC FAQ was written "No new ending" and boom we have new ending 
#99
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:49
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Anyone else think this is kind of unprofessional?? Like it hit a nerve all those videos showing people shooting the kid in the face.
#100
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 04:50
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Nezzer wrote...
I think the refusal ending should be the only one that takes our EMS into account and we should be able to win conventionally in that ending too, but with a much higher cost.
Below 2000 EMS: total defeat
3000 EMS: Reapers defeated, but most races are extinct, including humans, Shepard dies
4000 EMS: Reapers defeated, only humans are extinct, Shepard dies
5000 EMS or more: Reapers defeated, no race is extinct, Shepard lives
If this were possible, then why did the Alliance need to build the Crucible in the first place?
