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[Shaoken]

jedsithor wrote...

It's the truest of all the endings to what Shepard was about but it doesn't go to the next logical step.

Instead of "I reject your solution and will go down fighting," it should have been "I reject your solution because you're wrong and this is why..." before going on to explain about EDI and the Geth.

Even if Starchild decided to listen, what is he going to do? Build a completely new solution in the middle of the battle for the fate of the universe with a box of scraps?

Hell it's response would essentially be "If you really think that, pick control and take all the Reapers and go and we'll see if you're right."

[JBPBRC]

Shaoken wrote...

jedsithor wrote...

It's the truest of all the endings to what Shepard was about but it doesn't go to the next logical step.

Instead of "I reject your solution and will go down fighting," it should have been "I reject your solution because you're wrong and this is why..." before going on to explain about EDI and the Geth.

Even if Starchild decided to listen, what is he going to do? Build a completely new solution in the middle of the battle for the fate of the universe

To be fair, that's how the other choices were made.

with a box of scraps?

Tony Stark could.

[VRtheTrooper]

i liked this ending. i think its a great lead-in for a sequel series, in a later cycle. (not that it would happen)

[tomcplotts]

I thought this was genius in an evil way.
Pure, unbridled, petty and juvenile contempt for the customer, and it was funny as hell.

All I could think of was Casey screaming, "You wanna shoot my art, motherf*cker?!?! Die! Ha! I win, you lose!"

Still chuckling over that. And I'll pick it everytime.

[SimonTheFrog]

Calibrategoodtimes wrote...

Pseudo-Sapient wrote...

Rejection is essentially saying "Enjoy yourselves in 50 000 years, Yahg. Best of luck"...

Naaah

Rise of the space cow!

Or it's time for the Pyjacks to finally punch back :happy:

[saracen16]

Every choice has a consequence, and Shepard sacrificed everything so this could happen.

[Shaoken]

JBPBRC wrote...

Shaoken wrote...

jedsithor wrote...

It's the truest of all the endings to what Shepard was about but it doesn't go to the next logical step.

Instead of "I reject your solution and will go down fighting," it should have been "I reject your solution because you're wrong and this is why..." before going on to explain about EDI and the Geth.

Even if Starchild decided to listen, what is he going to do? Build a completely new solution in the middle of the battle for the fate of the universe

To be fair, that's how the other choices were made.

with a box of scraps?

Tony Stark could.

After that conversation the Starchild decides to honour the new knowledge Shepard brought, and when the next Cycle deploys their crucible they are greated by the awesome visage of Robert Downey Jr, and despite the complete lack of context will instantly acknowledge his greatness and skills with a box of scraps.

[VRtheTrooper]

laecraft wrote...


Knowing everything about the Reapers doesn't help to defeat them, otherwise this cycle would have done it. Shepard's cycle knew that the Reapers were coming. They had the time to prepare. They had a unique chance to witness the Reapers and their servants in action before the entire army arrived. They even had the access to the core Reaper technology (aka the Collector Base.)

It didn't help them at all. They simply made no use of it. The Reapers just destroyed them. Knowing about the Reapers and seeing a Reaper in action didn't even help them to convince their leaders that the Reapers in fact do exist.

So why is the next cycle different? How did they manage to decypher Liara's message? 

(i could be forgetting something here so don't be mad!) 

from my understanding, Shep was the only one that could understand the warnings. 

no one believed him. this is why the current cycle never prepared.

from the EC, it seems that they used a more primitive tech than the Protheans left behind, so it can be deciphered easily.

possibly... ????

[M0keys]

tomcplotts wrote...

I thought this was genius in an evil way.
Pure, unbridled, petty and juvenile contempt for the customer, and it was funny as hell.

All I could think of was Casey screaming, "You wanna shoot my art, motherf*cker?!?! Die! Ha! I win, you lose!"

Still chuckling over that. And I'll pick it everytime.

well, at least we know the guy hates his fans and is full as just as much anger as we were.

glad to have that fans vs creators antagonism. guess we need to have the starchild come in and murder us all now.

Modifié par M0keys, 26 juin 2012 - 05:23 .

[jedsithor]

Shaoken wrote...

Even if Starchild decided to listen, what is he going to do? Build a completely new solution in the middle of the battle for the fate of the universe with a box of scraps?

Uh, no. Starchild controls the Reapers. So it could just tell them to leave. If it turns out that Shepard is wrong, the Reapers can always come back and finish the job. If you want some conflict and sacrifice, have Harbinger refuse to leave.

Or Catalyst could rewrite the code of one of the choices. Synthesis for example. Reverse it so that instead of combining organic and synthetic, it divides it, which would destroy the Reapers. If Starchild is incapable of doing such a thing, it shouldn't be there in the first place.

`There are quite a few ways to do this without even having to get rid of the original endings and without resorting to Indoctrination Theory. Ways that make logical sense. Shepard is given a choice based on an illogical assertion, one that just a few hours earlier could be proven wrong, depending on the choices the player makes. If the player makes a certain choice (uniting the Quarian and Geth) then the option should have been there.

Hudson and Walters screwed up. They haven't addressed the biggest flaw of the ending at all. It is effectively bad writing that they could have fixed but didn't.

[M0keys]

jedsithor wrote...

Shaoken wrote...

Even if Starchild decided to listen, what is he going to do? Build a completely new solution in the middle of the battle for the fate of the universe with a box of scraps?

Uh, no. Starchild controls the Reapers. So it could just tell them to leave. If it turns out that Shepard is wrong, the Reapers can always come back and finish the job. If you want some conflict and sacrifice, have Harbinger refuse to leave.

Or Catalyst could rewrite the code of one of the choices. Synthesis for example. Reverse it so that instead of combining organic and synthetic, it divides it, which would destroy the Reapers. If Starchild is incapable of doing such a thing, it shouldn't be there in the first place.

`There are quite a few ways to do this without even having to get rid of the original endings and without resorting to Indoctrination Theory. Ways that make logical sense. Shepard is given a choice based on an illogical assertion, one that just a few hours earlier could be proven wrong, depending on the choices the player makes. If the player makes a certain choice (uniting the Quarian and Geth) then the option should have been there.

Hudson and Walters screwed up. They haven't addressed the biggest flaw of the ending at all. It is effectively bad writing that they could have fixed but didn't.

at this point they don't even care

they knew what the problems were, but they had their vision or ego or whatever. remember they only listened to positive feedback. a total echo chamber.

[Rafe34]

MisterJB wrote...

Since March, many people wanted to reject the endings entirely and take their chances against the Reapers despite being told numerous time how they can't be defeated without the Crucible.
Bioware gave those people exactly what they wanted. They stuck to their morals and went down fighting.

Why could we not blow up the Charon Relay and take the Reapers with us?

That at least would have been a realistic, sacrificial ending. I see no reason why the Reapers would survive that.

[sth88]

The moral of the Extended Cut is this:

Stick to your ideals, and everyone dies.

Compromise your ideals, stabbing your friends in the back in the name of faulty logic, and win.

[tamperous]

The only solace in the taunting of the fans that was "Reject" was that all crappy art and its creators were also purged.

[CrutchCricket]

JBPBRC wrote...

with a box of scraps?

Tony Stark could.

In a cave no less. Sadly, the holokid is not Tony Stark.

See, Tony Stark could've made me accept these endings...

[Demon Velsper]

At least it's no longer an A, B, C ending. Now it's A, B, C and "Go **** yourself" ending.

[taggen86]

For all u people that wanted a reject starchild "happy" ending. It is possible but it reuires tons of space magic. Took the whole citadel fleet to kill one of the class 1 reapers (sovereign). Good luck killing hundreds of these with conventional weapons. Not even the protheans did this.

Modifié par taggen86, 26 juin 2012 - 05:32 .

[Shaoken]

Rafe34 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Since March, many people wanted to reject the endings entirely and take their chances against the Reapers despite being told numerous time how they can't be defeated without the Crucible.
Bioware gave those people exactly what they wanted. They stuck to their morals and went down fighting.

Why could we not blow up the Charon Relay and take the Reapers with us?

That at least would have been a realistic, sacrificial ending. I see no reason why the Reapers would survive that.

Because to destroy a relay you need to take a large solid object larger than a mass relay and throw it at said relay at FTL speeds. There's no ship big enough to do the job, and giant asteroids that are bigger than relays aren't exactly common in our solar system.

And even if there was one (or they just put a lot of engines and eezo cores on Pluto and used that), the Reapers know of that trick and could simply destroy the engines you're planning on using. And even if somehow you managed to hold them off long enough to hit the Relay, the relay explosion would only travel at the speed of light.

Reapers can travel at many, many times the speed of light, a speed of 30 light years a day (for comparison purposes the Normandy can only do 12). So all you'd achieve is deprive the Reapers of a single system. They'd just FTL jump away and head to the next inhabited system.

[nightcobra]

taggen86 wrote...

For all u people that wanted a reject starchild "happy" ending. It is possible but it reuires tons of space magic. Took the whole citadel fleet to kill one of the class 1 reapers (sovereign). Good luck killing hundreds of these with conventional weapons. Not even the protheans did this.

took a big worm to kill one too.

and with sovereign there was no data on a reaper's strategies, power and capabilities.


by me3's last mission we've been seeing lots of reapers getting destroyed and according to the highest EMS results on the war room, the allied forces have been able to fend off reaper attacks.

the reapers took centuries to take over javik's cycle, however javik states that the protheans have never been this close to winning and this war has only gone for weeks/months.

and yes i'd have liked a refusal/win scenario with a high enough EMS

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 26 juin 2012 - 05:39 .

[Ryzaki]

taggen86 wrote...

For all u people that wanted a reject starchild "happy" ending. It is possible but it reuires tons of space magic. Took the whole citadel fleet to kill one of the class 1 reapers (sovereign). Good luck killing hundreds of these with conventional weapons. Not even the protheans did this.

So we can use space magic for Synthesis but not reject? <_<

[Apocaleepse360]

All I can say to the Reject ending is just... lol.

It felt like BioWare saying "you reject our art?! Well f*** you! Everyone dies now!"

Yeah, this EC confirmed my pessimistic speculations. I'm quite done preordering BioWare's games. It's back to the old "look at reviews (that aren't IGN's) before buying" method for me.

Modifié par Apocaleepse360, 26 juin 2012 - 05:41 .

[Vilegrim]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

taggen86 wrote...

For all u people that wanted a reject starchild "happy" ending. It is possible but it reuires tons of space magic. Took the whole citadel fleet to kill one of the class 1 reapers (sovereign). Good luck killing hundreds of these with conventional weapons. Not even the protheans did this.

took a big worm to kill one too.

and with sovereign there was no data on a reaper's strategies, power and capabilities.


by me3's last mission we've been seeing lots of reapers getting destroyed and according to the highest EMS results on the war room, the allied forces have been able to fend off reaper attacks.

the reapers took centuries to take over javik's cycle, however javik states that the protheans have never been this close to winning and this war has only gone for weeks/months.

and yes i'd have liked a refusal/win scenario with a high enough EMS

#

exaclty, people on the loosing side don't get to dictate terms, and the reapers where loosing.

[Shaoken]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

taggen86 wrote...

For all u people that wanted a reject starchild "happy" ending. It is possible but it reuires tons of space magic. Took the whole citadel fleet to kill one of the class 1 reapers (sovereign). Good luck killing hundreds of these with conventional weapons. Not even the protheans did this.

took a big worm to kill one too.

It took a big worm to kill the smallest type of Reaper.

by me3's last mission we've been seeing lots of reapers getting destroyed and according to the highest EMS results on the war room, the allied forces have been able to fend off reaper attacks.

Even in that case, it's just delaying the inevitable. They're holding off the Reapers in the systems where the Reapers don't have the strongest presence. Earth is getting destroyed, Pavelon, even with the Krogan, is still a losing battle, and the Reapers have the advantage of never tiring and needing very little in way of supplies while being able to take every dead organic they get their hands on and turn them into husks.

[Vilegrim]

JBPBRC wrote...

M0keys wrote...

then we die. we weren't fit enough for survival, then so be it. at least liara's beacon gives whatever comes next a much better shot.

*Reapers FTL in next cycle*

PRIMITIVE ORGANICS, YOU CANNOT COMPREH--

*sees billions of pissed-off Liara worshipping Yahg armed with Cains*

FUUUUUUUUU--

MANPAD Thanix cannons, Warhammer 40k scale battleships(with plasma battteries with a decent range for space combat, say 300,000km) etc etc