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[Freakiq]

It was pretty much exactly what I wanted, nothing more nor less.

Now to finally replay it.

[httinks2006]

hate
load of crap covered in spoiled milk trying to cover the stink

[krukow]

Precursor2552 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Hate it with a vengeance.

It fixed very little of the ending for me and the funny thing was that I could have forgiven the rest if they had a reunion scene of some kind. Even if they just met after the battle with a hug. 

It would have been that easy to please me, but nope.

So a happy ending, basically?

War usually doesn't work that way.

What are reason's I didn't join the military? 

I'll take Fiction for 500 Alex. 

At least it made head cannon easier.  It shows Miri alive.  It shows shep alive (and how he could live, since the citidel was only damaged and not destroyed).  It just leaves you to imagine their life together.

[BoneNinja]

Love it. It helped out tremendously. There are a few things I would have liked addressed (not plot holes, just sentimental things) but I'm very happy with it. The only thing I would have liked is a scene of Shepard surviving (the equivalent "breath" scene from the destroy option) for synthesis. I'm still confused as to whether Shepard lives or dies in that scenario. Everything points to him/her dying, but the stargazer still says he has "one more story" about the Shepard...so which is it?

[marcustheMezz]

 All I wanted was one ending, just one damn ending where if I played perfect Shepard lived AND reunited with his/her LI at the end. Was that so damn much to ask!?! 

[Swordfishtrombone]

I haven't downloaded it, and don't plan to do so for the time being, as I've pretty much lost interest in ME3, and moved on. Maybe I will some day in the future, should I find myself inspired to try another playthrough.

I have now watched three of the endings (the refusal, destroy, and synthesis) on YouTube, and I do think they are just what you'd expect from trying to patch up a botched job, that really needed a fundamental altering of major elements.

Of the one's I've viewed, I liked the destroy ending best. With a little contemplation, given that the other endings are what they are (essentially "successes" in one way or the other), I don't think they had much option in writing the refusal.  What bugged me about it though was that the REASONS Shepard gives for refusing are NOT, decidedly NOT, the reasons people who've wanted the ability to refuse have given for wanting to do so.

The simple reason is that given Shepard's experience up till that point, and given what he knows, and given that the star-brat takes the form that he appears in directly from Shepard's memories (thus proving that he's at the very least accessed Shepard's memories, and more likely messed with his head), the only reasonable conclusion Shepard has is that he is being manipulated, and absolutely should NOT trust a single word that comes out of the star brat's virtual mouth, or go along with anything he tries to get Shepard to do, because that would be playing right into the Reaper's hand, possibly making Shepard some sort of a tool to help their destructive cause.

THIS is why I would refuse, and why it is the rational choise to refuse. The endigns essentialy reward gullibility.

But this STILL isn't the worst of the endings - even without having seen the control ending yet, that title goes to the synthesis ending.

It was space magic before, and now it's SPACE MAGIC. The "explanation" given for the synthesis only worked to underline how utterly, utterly implausible that ending was, and how utterly inapropriate in a SciFi series. It was a FANTASY ending. The added scenes just emphasized how clearly this was pure, thinly veiled magic - a green wave of energy instantaneously transforming everyone into half-synthetics with green glowing eyes. That's EMBARRASINGLY bad.

Further insult to anyone with any basic knowledge of biolgy and any interest in scientific accuracy was given in the explanation of how shepard's "life energy" was being somehow used in the process. What has happened? Have we gone backwards to 17th century science and vitalism? This pseudo-intellectual new-agey nonsense was the worst thing Bioware has ever come up with. A Total insult. And it seems that this ending is promoted as the "best" option.

The destroy ending was improved, I think. Though EC addresssed none of the major problems, as I suspected it wouldn't - it really couldn't have, without removing elements from the ending and replacing them with something else.

So from what I've seen, I'd give it a mixed review - some improvement, and some things (synthesis) made worse.

I truly hope that if there are other games in the ME universe to come, that they stay AWAY from pure fantasy elements, and keep at least SOME scientific plausibility.

Modifié par Swordfishtrombone, 26 juin 2012 - 05:55 .

[DrDino]

It is... acceptable. I can actually play the game agian. It filled in what I believed needed to be and the rest I can Head Cannon.

[Sousabird]

jcmuki wrote...

untill he comes back in mass effect 4 like master chief is going to do in halo 4

Difference is master Chief doesn't die in the (lack of) various endings to halo 3

[DS Monkfish]

krukow wrote...

I feel it was really well done. Synthesis and Control were fleshed out very well (though I would never chose either, so I'm not the best judge of this). I like that you were given the choice to reject it (since everyone wanted that), and given that the whole game is basically you trying to get the crucible together and use it, I was okay with the outcome. I even loved that though we couldn't win conventionally, we allowed the next cycle to succeed.

I thought destroy was almost perfect. One the one hand, I would have loved just a quick scene showing that Shep reunited with his LI. On the other, not only did they not ruin my headcannon, they made it much easier to the point of basically implying that there will be a reunion. Otherwise, this ending too was well fleshed out.

I was fine with the stuff they retconned (the relays exploding). Honestly, this saves the game and the series for me. Is it how I would have ended it 5 months ago? No, but it is a good, and varied enough, ending for me to enjoy playing.

This.  

[DistantUtopia]

Grimwick wrote...

Hate it with a vengeance.

It fixed very little of the ending for me and the funny thing was that I could have forgiven the rest if they had a reunion scene of some kind. Even if they just met after the battle with a hug. 

It would have been that easy to please me, but nope.

I too was hoping for a reunion scene.  Personally, something similar to the Kaoru/Kenshin reunion for "Ruroni Kenshi: Reflections" would have been appropriate.

[VyseN1]

The one good thing is that at least this puts the IT to rest once and for all.

[Kahoki]

For me, my reaction is heh. From the revised EC endings, some form of closure has taken place. Is it perfect? Oh no. Far from it, but, it is something.

[Captain_Obvious]

Persephone wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Hate it with a vengeance.

It fixed very little of the ending for me and the funny thing was that I could have forgiven the rest if they had a reunion scene of some kind. Even if they just met after the battle with a hug. 

It would have been that easy to please me, but nope.

So a happy ending, basically?

War usually doesn't work that way.

I don't know about anyone else, but I wasn't at war.  I was playing a video game, and I like my happy endings to my video games.  I get enough dark, edgy realism in reality.  Life is the ultimate RPG, and for the most part, it sucks.  So can I please have a pretend RPG with a happy ending?  Thanks. 

[comrade gando]

hate it with the fiery passion of a thousand desert suns. it barely changed anything. all that happens, is it turns out the catalyst is actually a reaper *but it doesn't matter anyway* and the crucible actually does synthesis/destroy/control. after you pick an option it shows you a few cutscenes and *head desk* STILL IMAGES of what's going on in the galaxy with admiral hackett voicing over, or EDI if you pick synthesis, or shepard if you pick control.

[comrade gando]

marcustheMezz wrote...

 All I wanted was one ending, just one damn ending where if I played perfect Shepard lived AND reunited with his/her LI at the end. Was that so damn much to ask!?! 

YES IT IS! artistic integrity, shepard has to die no matter what enjoy. unless you pick destroy then you can imagine the rest of the ending yourself.

[Cody211282]

Well it didn't really fix anything, but on the other hand the endings went from infuriating to really really bad sci-fi.

So I guess I hate it then, just not as much as I hate the normal ending.

[Ultenth]

Though still not perfect, I feel they did address (and went almost verbatim with the solutions provided) most major issues brought up all around the internets. Though the reasons were already in my head, it was very cathartic to see it up on the screen. Being able to ask more questions of the Catalyst child made me hate him a lot less as well (though I still don't like him).

Overall, this has to a degree renewed my faith in Bioware, and I may now actually buy the next game they put out, whereas before I was considering a boycott. Good show on (as usual) listening to your fans and addressing their concerns.

Hopefully the lesson learned from this is from now on don't be so afraid of leaks of ending that you don't have proper editing on them and fix easily seen problems because only 1-2 people are looking at them and are too close to the story to see issues with it.

[Grimwick]

krukow wrote...

Precursor2552 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Hate it with a vengeance.

It fixed very little of the ending for me and the funny thing was that I could have forgiven the rest if they had a reunion scene of some kind. Even if they just met after the battle with a hug. 

It would have been that easy to please me, but nope.

So a happy ending, basically?

War usually doesn't work that way.

What are reason's I didn't join the military? 

I'll take Fiction for 500 Alex. 

At least it made head cannon easier.  It shows Miri alive.  It shows shep alive (and how he could live, since the citidel was only damaged and not destroyed).  It just leaves you to imagine their life together.

Problem with that is that it was supposed to provide 'closure'.

We're still left with speculations.

[krukow]

Grimwick wrote...

krukow wrote...

Precursor2552 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Hate it with a vengeance.

It fixed very little of the ending for me and the funny thing was that I could have forgiven the rest if they had a reunion scene of some kind. Even if they just met after the battle with a hug. 

It would have been that easy to please me, but nope.

So a happy ending, basically?

War usually doesn't work that way.

What are reason's I didn't join the military? 

I'll take Fiction for 500 Alex. 

At least it made head cannon easier.  It shows Miri alive.  It shows shep alive (and how he could live, since the citidel was only damaged and not destroyed).  It just leaves you to imagine their life together.

Problem with that is that it was supposed to provide 'closure'.

We're still left with speculations.

Only in what comes next.  The game does everything short of come out and say "THEY'RE GOING TO BE TOGETHER" in big flashy lights.  I never expected the game to tell me everything they did, just to let them face the uncertain future together.

[Zombie Inc 91]

It's better than it was at least. But since it's still the same ending as before, it keeps the biggest problem: the tech singularity stuff wasn't the main issue we were looking to resolve in Mass Effect.

Being able to argue a bit and reject the Catalyst was nice (although, I think it needed a Halo Reach or Red Dead Redemption style last stand for Shepard and all the allied forces) and seeing some overall consequences was good, but it needed more depth, particularly with regards to your squadmates. And I still have questions about what happened.

So, better, but a bit of a wasted oppurtunity.

[Deltoran]

Warning: Spoilers
Also, probably TL,DR.

Err...wow. First, I'd like to thank Bioware for at least trying to fix the endings...some plot-holes are filled nicely...but still, it could've been so much better. Ok, so the only ending I thought was acceptable (barely) was the destroy. I still think its goofy that they killed EDI and the Geth since they narrowed the damage to the crucible beam to not blow up earth but whatever. Destroy seemed the most hopeful but still pretty mediocre, its like the writing team only wanted to do the smallest amount of work but still please enough people to turn the controversy to their favor. Enough people approve now that those who do and those who don't are equal and now they don't have to worry about pleasing anymore fans since the fans will be fighting. The EC is quite a let down but at least it resolves better than the original endings.

The control and synthesis endings are just creepy to me. Control makes Shepard sound full of himself and power and whatever, and who knows how long he'll be 'guardian' before deciding that there's too many organics or something. And synthesis, still a huge moral dilemma even if everyone suddenly agrees and 'understands'.

Seems like the message of control and synthesis is 'through sameness do we succeed and advance' but destroy is 'we win because of our differences and working together' which is much more Mass Effecty if you ask me.

In any case, the biggest let down of course was the rejecting starchild. I figured if you had a high enough EMS the star child might agree with you and and say 'oh you're totally right, about the geth and everything, this cycle has done what no other has etc..' but instead its just like *bang* harbinger, you lose. Seems like what many people have said, the writing team (Casey and Mac most likely) thought 'haha don't like our endings, you lose'.

So all in all, I'm disappointed but hopefully the mediocrity of the destroy ending will at least be adequate to allow replay. I can say however that it is extremely unlikely I will ever purchase another Bioware product after this debacle. The way the fan-base has been treated by some of Bioware has been abhorrent, I feel sorry for those who didn't do anything but still get the wrath. Hopefully some day a new company will create games like Bioware used to. End of Rant.

Modifié par Deltoran, 26 juin 2012 - 06:42 .

[Ultenth]

I can say however that it is extremely unlikely I will ever purchase another Bioware product after this debacle. The way the fan-base has been treated by some of Bioware has been abhorrent, I feel sorry for those who didn't do anything but still get the wrath. Hopefully some day a new company will create games like Bioware used to. End of Rant.

How we were treated?

We got 2 free Multiplayer DLC's, and a free extended ending DLC that fixed a lot of the major issues.  How is that not giving people a lot of stuff they asked for, and for free no less?  What else do they have to do to make you happy?  Do you have no ability to forgive people's mistakes when they try to make up for them? 

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

VyseN1 wrote...

The one good thing is that at least this puts the IT to rest once and for all.

You mean how when Shepard wakes up on the citadel his eyes glow like TIM's or you hear a reaper scream, or that Andderson does not have a gunshot wound in is stomach but Shepard does, or that during refuse the star child screams like a reaper.

Far from dead since the plot holes are still there and even more hints inserted.

[VyseN1]

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

The one good thing is that at least this puts the IT to rest once and for all.

You mean how when Shepard wakes up on the citadel his eyes glow like TIM's or you hear a reaper scream, or that Andderson does not have a gunshot wound in is stomach but Shepard does, or that during refuse the star child screams like a reaper.

Far from dead since the plot holes are still there and even more hints inserted.

Please stop grasping at straws. It was simply poorly written, and rushed. They didn't plan out every tiny little detail. End of story.

[VyseN1]

Your choices still don't mean anything.