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[KotorEffect3]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Two months ago: "F YOU BIOWARE! Y U NO GIVE US OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF?!?!?!?"

Today, after giving you the option to tell Starbrat to F off: "F YOU BIOWARE! WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CAN'T BEAT THIS MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD SUPER-TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED RACE THAT'S KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PER DAY WITHOUT THE STARBRAT! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL A REAPER WITH A SPITBALL JUST BECAUSE I SAID SO!"

Oh, come off it people. Seriously.

Exactly, people wanted to tell the catalyst off , well bioware gave them what they wanted and now they can't deal with the consequences.

[Kick In The Door]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Two months ago: "F YOU BIOWARE! Y U NO GIVE US OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF?!?!?!?"

Today, after giving you the option to tell Starbrat to F off: "F YOU BIOWARE! WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CAN'T BEAT THIS MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD SUPER-TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED RACE THAT'S KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PER DAY WITHOUT THE STARBRAT! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL A REAPER WITH A SPITBALL JUST BECAUSE I SAID SO!"

Oh, come off it people. Seriously.

Exactly how I feel about the matter. It didn't matter what Bioware did, these people were going to b****, they were going to cry and they were going to throw a fit no matter what. Shepard deserves better fans. 

Edit: Guy above me is a 

Modifié par Kick In The Door, 26 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[Kloborgg711]

LucasShark wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

You get free content

"Why are they trying to punish me?"
Pathetic.

Not everything free is nice, sewage is free, do you want a drum of it on your doorstep?  It probably took a lot of work to get it there.

What a stupid comparison. No one is dumping this on your doorstep, Bioware is offering it as a download. It's really just being handed to you on a silver platter and you have the arrogance to act insulted.

[AlexMBrennan]

There are two distinct but related problems: Firstly, fans were unhappy with being given a choice of three palette swapped explosions only. We sent them cupcakes, and they made a new ending... which is literally "rocks fall, everybody dies". Some might find that a little bit inappropriate.

The other issue is people wanting to be able to win against the Reapers without the deus ex machina device - sure, expecting a victory without it is silly, but the idea is good. Purely relying on a deus ex machina is bad writing. ME1 and ME2 should have mattered in some way.

You get free content

I could punch you in the face for free, too, yet I'm sure you'd be ungrateful if I tried...

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 26 juin 2012 - 09:30 .

[thefallen2far]

Yes. How dare you have any sense of attachment to Mass Effect.

[KotorEffect3]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

You get free content

"Why are they trying to punish me?"
Pathetic.

Not everything free is nice, sewage is free, do you want a drum of it on your doorstep?  It probably took a lot of work to get it there.

What a stupid comparison. No one is dumping this on your doorstep, Bioware is offering it as a download. It's really just being handed to you on a silver platter and you have the arrogance to act insulted.

Wouldn't be bsn if they weren't chronically complaining about something, even when it is free and optional to download.

[SP2219]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Two months ago: "F YOU BIOWARE! Y U NO GIVE US OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF?!?!?!?"

Today, after giving you the option to tell Starbrat to F off: "F YOU BIOWARE! WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CAN'T BEAT THIS MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD SUPER-TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED RACE THAT'S KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PER DAY WITHOUT THE STARBRAT! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL A REAPER WITH A SPITBALL JUST BECAUSE I SAID SO!"

Oh, come off it people. Seriously.

ME-ME2 we beat the odds so BULL****.

Tell me, in which of those games are you facing the ENTIRE REAPER ARMADA? The Reapers who have been doing this for millions of years? Who are devastating numerous planets, killing millions of people, PER DAY? 

Congratulations. You beat one Reaper and a bunch of Collectors. Way to go.

This is slightly harder than that. And by "slightly harder" I mean "impossible".

That is exactly the point.  That is what makes a story good, when a hero is able to win despite impossible odds.  It might seem cliche, but think of any story that you have enjoyed and it turns out this always happens.

Lord of the Rings?  Everyone doubts Frodo and thinks his quest is impossible - he does it anyway.  Result?  We feel pretty damn good about it.  Though it inevitably results in his death, it has a massive payoff attached to it.  Peace for all the charatcers who deserved it so much.

Hamlet?  Everyone dies including Hamlet, but Hamlet kills Claudius in the process, a task that previously seemed impossible.  The payoff however is massive - Claudius is dead and Horatio is left to restore the Dainish monarchy free from Claudius' corruption.

Mass Effect 3?  Shepard does the impossible - he refuses to cooperate with the Reapers.  But everyone dies.  There is no payoff.  By goodness there should have been one.  

[Father_Jerusalem]

SP2219 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Two months ago: "F YOU BIOWARE! Y U NO GIVE US OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF?!?!?!?"

Today, after giving you the option to tell Starbrat to F off: "F YOU BIOWARE! WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CAN'T BEAT THIS MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD SUPER-TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED RACE THAT'S KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PER DAY WITHOUT THE STARBRAT! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL A REAPER WITH A SPITBALL JUST BECAUSE I SAID SO!"

Oh, come off it people. Seriously.

ME-ME2 we beat the odds so BULL****.

Tell me, in which of those games are you facing the ENTIRE REAPER ARMADA? The Reapers who have been doing this for millions of years? Who are devastating numerous planets, killing millions of people, PER DAY? 

Congratulations. You beat one Reaper and a bunch of Collectors. Way to go.

This is slightly harder than that. And by "slightly harder" I mean "impossible".

That is exactly the point.  That is what makes a story good, when a hero is able to win despite impossible odds.  It might seem cliche, but think of any story that you have enjoyed and it turns out this always happens.

Lord of the Rings?  Everyone doubts Frodo and thinks his quest is impossible - he does it anyway.  Result?  We feel pretty damn good about it.  Though it inevitably results in his death, it has a massive payoff attached to it.  Peace for all the charatcers who deserved it so much.

Hamlet?  Everyone dies including Hamlet, but Hamlet kills Claudius in the process, a task that previously seemed impossible.  The payoff however is massive - Claudius is dead and Horatio is left to restore the Dainish monarchy free from Claudius' corruption.

Mass Effect 3?  Shepard does the impossible - he refuses to cooperate with the Reapers.  But everyone dies.  There is no payoff.  By goodness there should have been one.  

The payoff is that while you may have died, you managed to leave behind enough technical help and planning that the next cycle was able to end the Reaper threat - through not being stupid and trying to go at it on their own.

Ta-da.

[SP2219]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I thought the EC was good, but it wasn't good enough. After all a reunion with Shepard and his friends should have been in the EC. Is that too much to ask for?

Unfortunately yes.  Because Bioware clearly hate Mass Effect.  It's just a job to them now.  They just want us to stop complaining.  Problem is we are the reason they are still in business, whether they like it or not.

It is just a game I suppose, but it could have been a damn good game.....

[G1MEE50K]

They were simply too interested in making more fans instead of pleasing the loyal fans who've been there from the start. Choices still didn't matter and we were still lied to.
Simple as that.

[SP2219]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

You get free content

"Why are they trying to punish me?"
Pathetic.

Not everything free is nice, sewage is free, do you want a drum of it on your doorstep?  It probably took a lot of work to get it there.

What a stupid comparison. No one is dumping this on your doorstep, Bioware is offering it as a download. It's really just being handed to you on a silver platter and you have the arrogance to act insulted.

Because it's not free.  In order to play it, you have to buy the game, and the game costs $60

[KotorEffect3]

SP2219 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Two months ago: "F YOU BIOWARE! Y U NO GIVE US OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF?!?!?!?"

Today, after giving you the option to tell Starbrat to F off: "F YOU BIOWARE! WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CAN'T BEAT THIS MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD SUPER-TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED RACE THAT'S KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PER DAY WITHOUT THE STARBRAT! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL A REAPER WITH A SPITBALL JUST BECAUSE I SAID SO!"

Oh, come off it people. Seriously.

ME-ME2 we beat the odds so BULL****.

Tell me, in which of those games are you facing the ENTIRE REAPER ARMADA? The Reapers who have been doing this for millions of years? Who are devastating numerous planets, killing millions of people, PER DAY? 

Congratulations. You beat one Reaper and a bunch of Collectors. Way to go.

This is slightly harder than that. And by "slightly harder" I mean "impossible".

That is exactly the point.  That is what makes a story good, when a hero is able to win despite impossible odds.  It might seem cliche, but think of any story that you have enjoyed and it turns out this always happens.

Lord of the Rings?  Everyone doubts Frodo and thinks his quest is impossible - he does it anyway.  Result?  We feel pretty damn good about it.  Though it inevitably results in his death, it has a massive payoff attached to it.  Peace for all the charatcers who deserved it so much.

Hamlet?  Everyone dies including Hamlet, but Hamlet kills Claudius in the process, a task that previously seemed impossible.  The payoff however is massive - Claudius is dead and Horatio is left to restore the Dainish monarchy free from Claudius' corruption.

Mass Effect 3?  Shepard does the impossible - he refuses to cooperate with the Reapers.  But everyone dies.  There is no payoff.  By goodness there should have been one.  

*facepalm*  First of all in LOTR the only reason why Frodo won is because he threw the ring back into the mountain of doom.  Sauron was not defeated by conventional means.

Also we spend all of ME 3 gathering resources for the crucible.  The whole point of the battle in the sol system was to deploy the crucble.  When you have the only weapon that can defeat the enemy you don't not use it,  People that shot at the catalyst deserved to lose and I am glad bioware gave them an passive aggressive F you

[KotorEffect3]

SP2219 wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I thought the EC was good, but it wasn't good enough. After all a reunion with Shepard and his friends should have been in the EC. Is that too much to ask for?

Unfortunately yes.  Because Bioware clearly hate Mass Effect.  It's just a job to them now.  They just want us to stop complaining.  Problem is we are the reason they are still in business, whether they like it or not.

It is just a game I suppose, but it could have been a damn good game.....

It is a damn good game, even before the EC

[TheGreatDayne]

There's an "everyone dies" ending??
Now, I'm happy!

[KotorEffect3]

SP2219 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

You get free content

"Why are they trying to punish me?"
Pathetic.

Not everything free is nice, sewage is free, do you want a drum of it on your doorstep?  It probably took a lot of work to get it there.

What a stupid comparison. No one is dumping this on your doorstep, Bioware is offering it as a download. It's really just being handed to you on a silver platter and you have the arrogance to act insulted.

Because it's not free.  In order to play it, you have to buy the game, and the game costs $60

By your logic nothing you download is free then because you had to pay for your computer or console.

[G1MEE50K]

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Honestly, having to pay $10 on day one for Javik didn't bother me. That was two lattes I don't buy. Big f'n deal. Having free DLC for multiplayer is great. I like that. I think the multiplayer is the best part of ME3, BTW, and that's sad.

They decided to do the EC in the first place and do it "free" was not bad. I'm not going to complain. What they did do was put lipstick on a pig. What is the pig? It's the ending concept itself.

The ending concept is the "Pick your warcrime" and now they give us a fourth choice of not making a choice. Not making a choice is still making a choice. You just pass the buck to the next cycle. So I'll cut to the chase here.

What is everyone really upset about? It's not the day one DLC. It's not the requirement for multiplayer to get all the endings in the single player game. It's not whether Shepard lives or dies. It's not whether there's a reunion with our love interest.

What everyone is upset about is that we have to do THIS AT THE END OF THE GAME (WATCH THIS VIDEO -- IT'S 2 MINUTES). It's why everyone feels empty afterwards. No explanation of the ending is needed, folks. We understood it the first time.

Thank you for that Mac & Casey.

[BalianOfIbelin]

I too share the disappointment with the endings. However, I think we all need to find an outlet for the disappointment and a way to still appreciate the great series. I wrote an alternate ending, and it has provided me with closure, perhaps something along those lines is what each of us must do for themselves.

If you want to check out my alternate ending, here is the link:
http://social.biowar.../index/11739343

Modifié par BalianOfIbelin, 26 juin 2012 - 10:13 .

[nhcre8tv1]

The next cycle lives, Shepard doesn't fail to meet who he/she is, bittersweet at it's finest

[LKx]

Well, in the Dark energy plot the "reapers win" ending had a purpose, this one not so much, Shepard should have had at least tried to destroy the mastermind TS, and i don't mean by shooting an hologram (maybe calling a nuke toward the citadel ).
In the way that it's played, would have been worth a try the control option, because even if the starbrat lied, it would have been better than doing exactly nothing, and i don't see Shepard just give up like that.

Said so, i'm perfectly ok with it resulting in a total loss for this cycle, just how it's played feels a bit a middle finger.

[Father_Jerusalem]

LKx wrote...

Well, in the Dark energy plot the "reapers win" ending had a purpose, this one not so much, Shepard should have had at least tried to destroy the mastermind TS, and i don't mean by shooting an hologram (maybe calling a nuke toward the citadel ).
In the way that it's played, would have been worth a try the control option, because even if the starbrat lied, it would have been better than doing exactly nothing, and i don't see Shepard just give up like that.

Said so, i'm perfectly ok with it resulting in a total loss for this cycle, just how it's played feels a bit a middle finger.

The Reapers Win ending here has a purpose too. Because of the information and plans and technical data you left behind, the next cycle manages to stop the Reapers once and for all. Though it doesn't help THIS cycle, you still get to be Shepard and stand up for yourself, and have the Reapers defeated in the end.

How is that not pretty much the definition of bittersweet?

[LucasShark]

TLK Spires wrote...

"you don't like our endings? fine, here's the option to refuse it. everyone dies and you lose, **** you"

Essentially what I'm getting.

[AmyMac]

I don't feel like the reject ending was punishment. If anything, it had an almost "300"-ish feel to it (especially since the Liara holo says something to the effect of "the Crucible didn't work," which can imply that the next cycle won't waste their time or have to deal with Starbrat).

I do think Mac Walters and Casey Hudson are terrible writers with no concept of what it means to be "innovative" or "unique." It's along the lines of people who throw paint at walls and call it "art" and if you call them on their bs, they respond with something like "well you just don't get it."

I think ME3 would be a fun game if I wasn't expecting my choices in previous games to matter. I killed the rachni, had to fight them anyway. I picked Anderson for councilor, Udina was there anyway. I wasn't reinstated as a spectre in ME2, and the council did it for me anyway.

As far as conventional vs. unconventional warfare goes ... before WWI, people would have gawked at the idea of big flying things with people in them being used to take aerial photos of enemy encampments, and being shot down by other big flying things with people in them. Before WWII, people wouldn't have dreamed of unleashing something as powerful as the atomic bomb, that could flatten an entire city and kill hundreds of thousands of people. So to have an ME3 plot in which the civilizations of the galaxy come up with their own superweapon (preferably one at lease loosely based on science, not magic) would have been far superior to "uhh we found plans for an alien device and we don't know what it does or how it works but we're going to make it because that's a logical use of our resources when the Reapers are at our doorstep."
It takes a leap of faith (not logic) to go from "we can't defeat the Reapers with conventional warfare" to the Crucible/Starbrat as the only means to defeat them. It's a terrible, desperate plot device and everyone knows it.

[wsandista]

At least the Reapers finally get to win. Best ending ever, no matter how much you try, you fail.

[Father_Jerusalem]

LucasShark wrote...

TLK Spires wrote...

"you don't like our endings? fine, here's the option to refuse it. everyone dies and you lose, **** you"

Essentially what I'm getting.

By deliberately misinterpreting it to be that, yes. 

Again: that's not a BioWare problem, that's a you problem.