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[KingZayd]

mcguireptr1 wrote...

Something I just thought about, The Catalyst(starkid) never stats he controls the Reapers, he merly stats he created them. If he does control them, then nothing the reaper forces do at the end makes sense. If the catalyst wants shepard to find a new solution then why limit those the choices he gives you, why was harbinger dispatch to stop you anyway. why the final push.

If he doesn't directly control them 1. how can he give shepard the power to do so, 2. why did harbinger leave to the most emidate threat to go back to the fleet battle. 3. where did the final few husks and marauder even come from. where they hiding from the rest of the battle or just thought they hang out in harbinger kill zone.
Also if the Normandy can just fly in and not be destroyed by harbinger, the oldest, largest and probalbly most powerful reaper. why did not just do that in the first place. very stupid attempted fix on biowares part. probably worst then hackett's "let's abandon to the supporting fleet battle and leave shepard and the rest of the ground troops to die if the crucible doesn't work the way we want, and meet at some predetermined rendevous point." stupid I wish bioware wouldn't have totally insulted everyone with these horrible excuses for fixes or closure or clearity, or whatever the hell they promised because this was another black eye for them.

God, I truely hate the star child. I wish i could rip that stupid backwards illogical rationalizing head of his off and stick it up bioware's a**.

i don't know yet if they've changed it in the EC, but before Starchild said he controlled the Reapers, but didn't explicitly say he created them.

[Barbie__Boy]

Why are there no guards on the other side of the portal?
and more guards at the ground?

frankly the entire teleporter is one giant plot hole

[KingZayd]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

OP, those aren't all plot holes.

4. Crash happens because their power shuts down (atleast in destroy) and the momentum could've sent the Normandy into a planet's atmosphere for a crash landing.

14. The Catalyst controlled the Reapers this whole time.

15. The Normandy never lands (plus, it's upgraded).

16. It can stay in orbit, it wasn't close enough to Earth to fall into it.

17. The options are from the Crucible (Synthesis included). The Catalyst wouldn't be aware of those options until then. Synthesis just happens to be his favorite.

18. They aren't related. The Citadel is a relay that can reach anywhere. That's why the Crucible needed the Citadel and why the Reapers use the Citadel as their base of operations.

20. Not every ship heads in the direction of a planet. Comes down to trajectory really.

21. On-board repairing supplies... like they did when the Normandy crashed at the Collector Base during the Suicide Mission (ME2)

22. The Destroy blast seems like it's a very potent EMP blast. The effected technology (and consequently synthetics) can be restored. Hackett confirms that every destroyed thing can be repaired.

27. They crash-landed there. After fixing the Normandy, they leave.

31. They know it's a massive energy weapon.. the smartest thing anyone would do is to get clear.

33. It doesn't work, as the next cycle ends the Reaper threat.

35. Brillaint point... but I'd wager that the explosion(s) could've separated them? That's a stretch though.

42. He doesn't know for sure.. but he strongly believes that it was Shepard that made it.

45. They're both right. The Citadel is the power piece of the Crucible (as is all the other relays)... but the Catalyst entity is also there.

47. Force of habit?

48. Because the Reaper King controls them all, and it was his and Shepard's decision for that to happen.

49. I don't think that was Wrex.

52. Probably a celebration of one baby at a time.

14. Then ME1 is a plothole.
17. So an older cycle really decided the best addition to an anti-Reaper weapon was a synthesis function? Plothole/trap
33. So why not get one of the trillions of other people in the galaxy to decide, rather than killing them all as part of a solution you know won't work anymore?

[Codename_Code]

this thread should get a sticky and live forever

[ShatterSh0t]

I thought no one knew what the catylist would do. So why is everyone told to leave once it is activated?

They don't know that the mass relays are going to be effected.... Plus there is obviously fighting still going on, so why are they leaving? (is it to calm the thoughts that everyone died of starvation in the Sol system?)

And you're telling me that the reapers would just sit there and watch all those war assets leave without following them?

And if they all left, and the Normandy was still caught speeding away from the explosion...then weren't the other victory fleet ships caught too? ...And I thought that the normandy could travel at FTL speeds...and if that's the case, how is it the explosion is even catchin up to it (because the fastest an explosion can travel is the speed of light)

[7he Island Head]

DarkerCompanion wrote...

[*]How do you know that Garrus wasn't picked up? If anything, the Normandy got there so fast it seemed as if it was already nearby.

[*][/list][*]Joker says that he is joining Sword Fleet while you are fighting with ground forces. He says this when you shuttle is dropping you off on Earth. So Garrus (or the other squadmembers) couldn't have been picked up, because the Normandy was fighting Reapers. And he got off Earth in a shuttle, how would it be able to dock on the Normandy during a huge space battle?

Modifié par 7he Island Head, 27 juin 2012 - 02:58 .

[MissMaster_2]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

7he Island Head wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

eye basher wrote...

MattFini wrote...

How was the Normandy so close to the battle when Shep calls for evac?

That whole scene is just stupid now: Shepard takes time out during the all-or-nothing charge to get his buddies into cover and call for evac when the entire galaxy can be obliterated if he doesn't make it to the beam.

Somehow the Normandy flies right in (where in the hell was it, exactly?) and lands right in the middle of the carnage so the other squaddies can be extracted. It then flies off without Harbinger interference.

...okay.

Its a target rich situation the reapers are like  ''damm so much stuff to shoot what do i shoot first''.

Target rich environment, and target priority. Harbie is trying to keep people from reaching the beam. A ship that is actively taking people away from the fight is lesser priority, no matter which one it is. There are still people charging the beam he has to take out even after the Normandy escapes.

You want to talk about holes? What happened to the space hamster? Why didn't it have a slide? Now that's a plot hole. Or people could just not know what actually constitutes a plot hole.

The Normandy is the highest prority target. It can shoot back at Harby with some real power, as well as drop of troops. How does he know if the Normandy is dropping off troops or picking them up? He could probable one shot the Normandy so why doesn't he?

Can the Normandy fly into the Conduit, thereby activating the Catalyst and ending the Reaper threat? No? Then it's not the highest priority target.

Shepard and her away team drove a Mako through a Condit to the Citidel in ME1. She has done this all before, why not kill her? Herby is just being a good guy. <_<

[7he Island Head]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

7he Island Head wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

eye basher wrote...

MattFini wrote...

How was the Normandy so close to the battle when Shep calls for evac?

That whole scene is just stupid now: Shepard takes time out during the all-or-nothing charge to get his buddies into cover and call for evac when the entire galaxy can be obliterated if he doesn't make it to the beam.

Somehow the Normandy flies right in (where in the hell was it, exactly?) and lands right in the middle of the carnage so the other squaddies can be extracted. It then flies off without Harbinger interference.

...okay.

Its a target rich situation the reapers are like  ''damm so much stuff to shoot what do i shoot first''.

Target rich environment, and target priority. Harbie is trying to keep people from reaching the beam. A ship that is actively taking people away from the fight is lesser priority, no matter which one it is. There are still people charging the beam he has to take out even after the Normandy escapes.

You want to talk about holes? What happened to the space hamster? Why didn't it have a slide? Now that's a plot hole. Or people could just not know what actually constitutes a plot hole.

The Normandy is the highest prority target. It can shoot back at Harby with some real power, as well as drop of troops. How does he know if the Normandy is dropping off troops or picking them up? He could probable one shot the Normandy so why doesn't he?

Can the Normandy fly into the Conduit, thereby activating the Catalyst and ending the Reaper threat? No? Then it's not the highest priority target.

Shepard and her away team drove a Mako through a Condit to the Citidel in ME1. She has done this all before, why not kill her? Herby is just being a good guy. <_<

I really don't understand how people can justify Harby ignoring the Alliance's most advanced space ship sitting their defenceless.

[Codename_Code]

- The radios from both Shepard and Anderson are still working, why they just never report to hackett or the normandy ?.

- In the rejection ending Shepard claims that she will die fighting but is implied that she just stood there and watched while everybody gets killed, in this ending Shepards LIVES and probably fights, but we are punished for not to choose any of the color craps.

- The kid in the stargaze scene have the same voice as the spacebieber ( I think, at least in the rejecting ending )

- There is no Shepard without Vakarian - Vakarian ask joker to leave. The writer responsible for this will be hunt by the dark knight of omega soon.

- Shepard, the savior of the universe, only gets a plate for the sacrifice.

Modifié par Codename_Code, 27 juin 2012 - 03:18 .

[budzai]

expect 11 and 12 all you say is stupid and can be explain

[MissMaster_2]

7he Island Head wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

7he Island Head wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

eye basher wrote...

MattFini wrote...

How was the Normandy so close to the battle when Shep calls for evac?

That whole scene is just stupid now: Shepard takes time out during the all-or-nothing charge to get his buddies into cover and call for evac when the entire galaxy can be obliterated if he doesn't make it to the beam.

Somehow the Normandy flies right in (where in the hell was it, exactly?) and lands right in the middle of the carnage so the other squaddies can be extracted. It then flies off without Harbinger interference.

...okay.

Its a target rich situation the reapers are like  ''damm so much stuff to shoot what do i shoot first''.

Target rich environment, and target priority. Harbie is trying to keep people from reaching the beam. A ship that is actively taking people away from the fight is lesser priority, no matter which one it is. There are still people charging the beam he has to take out even after the Normandy escapes.

You want to talk about holes? What happened to the space hamster? Why didn't it have a slide? Now that's a plot hole. Or people could just not know what actually constitutes a plot hole.

The Normandy is the highest prority target. It can shoot back at Harby with some real power, as well as drop of troops. How does he know if the Normandy is dropping off troops or picking them up? He could probable one shot the Normandy so why doesn't he?

Can the Normandy fly into the Conduit, thereby activating the Catalyst and ending the Reaper threat? No? Then it's not the highest priority target.

Shepard and her away team drove a Mako through a Condit to the Citidel in ME1. She has done this all before, why not kill her? Herby is just being a good guy. <_<

I really don't understand how people can justify Harby ignoring the Alliance's most advanced space ship sitting their defenceless.

Because those people truly want to like the ending. I envy them, I wish I could. lol.

[MissMaster_2]

budzai wrote...

expect 11 and 12 all you say is stupid and can be explain

Go right a head and explain. 

[element eater]

IF the Normandy can land next to the beam why didnt they just fly there after destroying the AA rather then loose all there troops in a head on assault over reaper territory

[7he Island Head]

element eater wrote...

IF the Normandy can land next to the beam why didnt they just fly there after destroying the AA rather then loose all there troops in a head on assault over reaper territory

That's a great question! They could put that "Reaper IFF" to use  If the Normandy can land on planets and if the stealth systems and IFF works the way the fans says it does, they wouldn't even have to take out the AA guns. They could've just flown there.

Modifié par 7he Island Head, 27 juin 2012 - 03:14 .

[element eater]

7he Island Head wrote...
That's a great question! They could put that "Reaper IFF" to use  If the Normandy can land on planets and if the stealth systems and IFF works the way the fans says it does, they wouldn't even have to take out the AA guns. They could've just flown there.

im surprised ive not seen any one else say it yet tbh

[7he Island Head]

No Dragon's Teeth at all in ME3, where did the reaper forces come from? Where were the husks made? Cerberus is shown to make more husks than the Reapers.

[savionen]

The Reaper IFF issue REALLY bugs me. I've seen a lot of threads where people simple excuse it as Harbinger not seeing the Normandy but that makes no sense.

If the Reaper IFF was this anti-Reaper camoflauge then why didn't they ever put it to tactical use? Go into a Reaper building area, land on Harbinger, go directly into the Citadel without landing on Earth, sneak behind Reaper enemy lines, do hit-and-run tactics 24/7, etc.

[wicked_being]

If the Reaper IFF is what prevents Harby from detecting and shooting the Normandy...then why the heck do Reapers detect and chase me when I try to scan for resources/assets?

[SadisticStick]

element eater wrote...

7he Island Head wrote...
That's a great question! They could put that "Reaper IFF" to use  If the Normandy can land on planets and if the stealth systems and IFF works the way the fans says it does, they wouldn't even have to take out the AA guns. They could've just flown there.

im surprised ive not seen any one else say it yet tbh

I can beat that.
Directly following the destruction of the Destroyer protecting the conduit we get a cut scene depicting several reapers breaking off and heading down to Earth. If you look closely at the beginning of that scene you'll see the Citadel. The conduit is OFF. And its visbly open at the tip. So apprently the conduit can be shut on and off at the Reaper's will AND the Alliance never thought to send a specialist team of three people into that opening with a shuttle craft.

[7he Island Head]

SadisticStick wrote...

element eater wrote...

7he Island Head wrote...
That's a great question! They could put that "Reaper IFF" to use  If the Normandy can land on planets and if the stealth systems and IFF works the way the fans says it does, they wouldn't even have to take out the AA guns. They could've just flown there.

im surprised ive not seen any one else say it yet tbh

I can beat that.
Directly following the destruction of the Destroyer protecting the conduit we get a cut scene depicting several reapers breaking off and heading down to Earth. If you look closely at the beginning of that scene you'll see the Citadel. The conduit is OFF. And its visbly open at the tip. So apprently the conduit can be shut on and off at the Reaper's will AND the Alliance never thought to send a specialist team of three people into that opening with a shuttle craft.

that one is great!

[Omeganian]

If the organics in the Synthesis ending have the perfection of AIs and are linked to the Reapers, how come, according to the post credit talk, details have been lost to time?

[Lambda_00]

wicked_being wrote...

If the Reaper IFF is what prevents Harby from detecting and shooting the Normandy...then why the heck do Reapers detect and chase me when I try to scan for resources/assets?

If it's any indication from the secondary codex, note that the Normandy SR2 likely uses RADAR/LADAR pulses in addition to their other (passive) sensors when scanning the system map.  (Secondary Codex, Starship Sensors) (Hence the ping alerting the reapers).

[Father_Jerusalem]

SadisticStick wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...



Can the Normandy fly into the Conduit, thereby activating the Catalyst and ending the Reaper threat? No? Then it's not the highest priority target.

Can the Normandy fly into the conduit? Im given no reason to think it can't. Its been established a Mako can do so. And we can also assume that if Harby is shooting at the light air support they can as well. So why couldn't the Normandy also fly into the conduit? And even if it couldn't physically make it through it could sure as hell deliver individual troops to the conduits doorstep. That'd have been a kickass suicide run come to think of it.

Not to mention the existing troops just sitting there who will eventually engage if they aren't already.

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Shepard and her away team drove a
Mako through a Condit to the Citidel in ME1. She has done this all
before, why not kill her? Herby is just being a good guy. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that the Normandy is QUITE a bit larger than the Mako, given that... the Normandy was carrying the Mako in its hanger bay. With plenty of room to spare. I guess that was a mistake on my part.

This just in: The Mako is larger than the Normandy.

[my Aim is True]

I wasn't paying attention, does the conduit beam still go on and off across the several cutscenes that show the Citadel?

[zigamortis]

Pathetisad wrote...

MattFini wrote...

How was the Normandy so close to the battle when Shep calls for evac?

That whole scene is just stupid now: Shepard takes time out during the all-or-nothing charge to get his buddies into cover and call for evac when the entire galaxy can be obliterated if he doesn't make it to the beam.

Somehow the Normandy flies right in (where in the hell was it, exactly?) and lands right in the middle of the carnage so the other squaddies can be extracted. It then flies off without Harbinger interference.

...okay.

The same as how it  flew straight into the middle of  huge galactic dog fight between the Geth and Quarians
The Normandy's a stealth ship,  it can only be seen if [you know] they were to look out a window.
What does a Reaper need windows for?

And yet the collecters seem to be able to see the normandy just fine in me2. the reapers gave them the tech and the  have it too. So yes harby should have just shot them