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[CRISIS1717]

None of the endings are good. In fact everyone is still screwed at the end whichever choice you pick, if someone makes another AI everyone is still screwed, becoming a hybrid human doesn't stop war either.etc.etc lol....

There are so many holes in these endings when you think them through logically.

[VeR0se]

@OP: Wow you basically pointed out exactly what I was thinking while I played through that.

Bioware disappointed me AGAIN today, but the good news is Skyrim's Dawnguard is AWESOME!


Only thing in Mass Effect 3 that is worth playing now is multi-player, only because they have no storyline to **** up

Modifié par VeR0se, 26 juin 2012 - 08:40 .

[Fredvdp]

When Shepard asks the Catalyst why previous civilizations failed to deploy the Crucible, the correct answer would have been "because the relays weren't active." The Crucible requires working mass relays and according to Vigil the Reapers turn off the entire relay network at the beginning of a cycle. This is the first cycle with active relays and THAT is why the Crucible can work. This should have been made clear.

"That was our fate. Our leaders were dead before we even realized we were under attack. The Reapers seized control of the Citadel and through it, the mass relays. Communication and transportation across our empire were crippled. Each star system was isolated, cut off from the others. Easy prey for the Reaper fleets." - Vigil

I think the writers may have forgotten all about this or I'm missing something important.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 26 juin 2012 - 08:38 .

[nullobject]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

[*]Star Child's voice suddenly changes if you reject the "solutions"... Why?

This is to mollify the ITers. They can build elaborate justifications on top of this as to the true identity of Starchild. This allows Bioware to preserve some fans that otherwise might have interpreted the EC as confirmation that the endings are meant to be taken literally and gotten very upset.

[Brandonhc]

this thread makes many good points.

[nullobject]

Fredvdp wrote...

When Shepard asks the Catalyst why previous civilizations failed to deploy the Crucible, the correct answer would have been "because the relays weren't active." The Crucible requires working mass relays and according to Vigil the Reapers turn off the entire relay network at the beginning of a cycle. This is the first cycle with active relays and THAT is why the Crucible can work. This should have been made clear.

"That was our fate. Our leaders were dead before we even realized we were under attack. The Reapers seized control of the Citadel and through it, the mass relays. Communication and transportation across our empire were crippled. Each star system was isolated, cut off from the others. Easy prey for the Reaper fleets." - Vigil

I think the writers may have forgotten all about this or I'm missing something important.

The only thing you are missing is a realistic assessment of how seriously Bioware take this lore stuff (Hint: not as seriously as you).

[7he Island Head]

Keep posting them everyone!

Modifié par 7he Island Head, 26 juin 2012 - 08:53 .

[Eli Parker]

So in 50,000 yrs we will is the Extended Cut part 2 in order to fill plot holes from Extended Cut part 1? Yea good job Bioware, also the breathe scene makes no sense and Stargazer. One thing they did fix was to say thank you at the end instead of buy DLCs.

[Capeo]

Lambda_00 wrote...

7he Island Head wrote...

• The people picked up
  are severly injuried, but by the time  you they Normandy is flying away
  from the space magic they are fully healed.
• In the synthesis ending, Joker still limps

for 1: Medi-Gel?
for 2: I was more concerned that his cap was glowing...

Right!?!  What's up with that?  Did people's clothes morph into them somehow?

[7he Island Head]

Capeo wrote...

Lambda_00 wrote...

7he Island Head wrote...

• The people picked up
  are severly injuried, but by the time  you they Normandy is flying away
  from the space magic they are fully healed.
• In the synthesis ending, Joker still limps

for 1: Medi-Gel?
for 2: I was more concerned that his cap was glowing...

Right!?!  What's up with that?  Did people's clothes morph into them somehow?

[*]His hat is an advanced synthetic lifeform. 

[NightAntilli]

[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The Normandy isn't shot at by the reaper in london when it picks people up[/quote]
Harbinger simply wants to keep people away from the beam. A few people leaving is irrelevant.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

The people picked up are severly injuried, but by the time the Normandy is flying away from the space magic they are fully healed.[/quote]This is going in the direction of nitpicking. Then you can also say that applying medigel when your squadmate is down also is a plot hole.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
In the synthesis ending, Joker still limps[/quote]Apparently synthesis doesn't magically cure his disease. When exactly was it said that Synthesis fixes everything?

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

I left Garrus at the base camp on Earth, but he somehow he gets on the Normandy, even though he was never picked up. (same could be said of other squad mates left at the Militiary HQ, however it is most glaring with Garrus, because he tells Joker to fly away)[/quote]Do you really need another scene of the Normandy picking people up at HQ?

 [quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
The Normandy FTL jumps at the same time as the rest of the fleet, yet it is the only one not to reach the rendezvous point.[/quote]How do you know? It is the only ship they were showing. That doesn't mean it was the only one that didn't reach it.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

There is literally no reason for the crash to happen[/quote]Is a system overload really that farfetched when the Mass Relays were also overloaded?

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

That whole scene is just stupid now: Shepard takes time out during the all-or-nothing charge to get his buddies into cover and call for evac when the entire galaxy can be obliterated if he doesn't make it to the beam.[/quote]He's not the only one charging and it doesn't necessarily have to be him to make it. It just happens that way.

 [quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
Walking towards an exploding pipe which you've just shot makes you more likely to survive. Even if you are bleeding out at the time.[/quote]Now you're just grasping at straws.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

Normandy isn't impeded by the small group of Reapers flying towards the beamHarby flying off[/quote]See reply to first quote.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

Anderson doesn't have a gut wound, only Shepard does.[/quote]And that's a problem because...?

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

Destroy ending show the citadel rebuilt, so why didn't they find Shepard? (personal theory is that a keeper stole him, LOL)[/quote]Who says they didn't? Unanswered question is not necessarily a plot hole. 

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

And if the breath scene is on Earth, how does Shepard get from the Citadel in space back to Earth, specifically London in the Destroy option? The breath scene is the most confusing thing for me still.[/quote]Dunno.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

Did anyone notice someone hands Hackett a datapad and from it he apparently learns that Shepard is alive lol. Shepard didn't radio in or anything. Hackett just looks at the datapad and says "good, he made it"[/quote]Does it matter? Simple explanation, someone who retreated had sniper and was looking at what was happening.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

Catalyst living on the Citadel changes the complexion of a LOT of events in all three games. If Catalyst had been dormant/in hibernation all that time (maybe it relies on the keeper signal to 'wake it up'?) then it should have been stated in the game. If not, then Catalyst needs an explanation for his inaction during the course of those events.[/quote]So we should've known everything from the beginning? Yeah no.. That would've made the ending and story way too dull and predictable.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

I'm pretty sure it was said in ME2 that the SR2 is too large to land on planets without significant damage to the hull.[/quote]Yes. Not all planets have the same gravity as earth. Plus, the Normandy was on earth from the beginning of the game too. You're trying too hard.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
And another thing, the Citadel doesn't crash into Earth - you can see it still floating up in space, though very damaged.[/quote]Doesn't mean pieces can't end up there, even if the biggest part is in orbit.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

Yeah... If Synthesis is "ultimate solution" for everyone, why the hell Reapers just don't come and give us (modified) plans for Crucible letting us merge organics ans synthetics? Aren't they tired/bored with all those killing? [/quote]They thought the crucible plans were eradicated.. And, I guess you missed the part about synthesis having been tried in the past but failing because organics were not ready..? You people need to pay attention.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">The crucible needing to be activated by the Citadel doesn't make sense because the Reapers normally start every cycle by taking the Citadel first.  ]The Citadel was left ripe for taking over when the Reapers attacked Earth.  Not sure how or why the humans could transport the crucible to it safely.[/color][/quote]Use your imagination. You can say the same thing about Cerberus getting the remains of the human reaper from ME2, and a bunch of other pieces in the game. It's not really important. Point is, they did it.

 [quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">The idea that civilizations that share zero contact with one another could combine efforts to design a functional weapon that they don't even understand the inner workings of is wildly difficult to accept.  ]Also, that the weapon melds as a part of the Citadel all along is even more confusing.  Really the Citadel was this entity all along that the Crucible just brings out, which is really confusing.[/color][/quote]You don't need to know how your motherboard and other pc components work to put a PC together. Plus, they obviously used translators and whatnot..

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">If the energy wave makes the Normandy crash, why doesn't it crash every other ship in the fleet? Either it doesn't and the Normandy crash makes no sense, or they do, leaving pretty much every ship damaged/destroyed. If the Normandy just landed in stead of crashing, why?[/color][/quote]You can say the Normandy was near a planet when it got hit by the blast, while most other ships were not, so just floated around until their drive cores were fixed.

 [quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
If it did crash, how did the crew fix it? They'd need parts and tools they likely didn't have.[/quote]You don't know that because you don't know what the damage was.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
How does the destroy ending not lead to starvation?[/quote]Assume there's a lot of food supplies.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
Harbinger is blind. Shepard is in a hurry, then is no longer in a hurry, then is in a hurry again, to get to the beam.[/quote]Harbinger has his priorities straight. Shepard was always in a hurry. Just wanted to save his crew mates first. Plus, he's not the only one charging, so, there is time.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
The Catalyst's explanations for Control and Synthesis boil down to "space magic". (It's good that there is an option to get an explanation, though. +1 for that)[/quote]Space magic is nothing more than an emotional appeal. The thing called Mass Effect itself in the game, could also be considered space magic.. Or biotics, or drive cores etc..

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
The Synthesis and Control slideshows explain nothing, More space magic.[/quote]See above.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
Normandy being chased by the energy wave scene now only exists to justify the musical crescendo. All the other ships made an orderly retreat, yet the fastest ship in the fleet didn't?[/quote]Again, we don't know if they did, they only show the Normandy. Doesn't mean ALL the others were unaffected.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
The Gilligans Planet scene now makes no sense. The characters step out of the ship like it is some momentous occasion, with a bleak and uncertain future ahead of them. But there is no way they cannot know that they'll be rescued extremely quickly.[/quote]Communication down?

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
Stargazer scene now makes little sense. It is implied in the dialogue that they don't have interstellar space travel, but none of the endings now involve any technological setback - instead two of them involve massive technological advancement.[/quote]It does feel a little out of place now, but.. It doesn't necessarily insinuate they have no space travel. Maybe children are not allowed to go into space for some reason.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
It's almost like the Reapers want you to pick something. Starchild gets pissed when you refuse to make a decision on their demise. Why would he want that? Would make sense why Harbinger doesn't shoot the Normandy, delivers only a glancing blow to Shepard and flies away while you're still alive. [/quote]Maybe he/it isn't evil? Just a thought.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
How did the fleet figure out that the crucible was armed? They had no idea what it was or how it did it. There was a glowing light there but that doesn't mean it's armed.[/quote]What else could it mean? Or maybe it said so in the instructions.. Who cares?

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
And even if they knew it became armed, why flee then? For all they knew the crucible needed time to charge up and they would have to cover it till it actually fired. Besides, what threat did it pose to them if it did fire and they were nearby. I guess they might assume it might damage their systems, but they had to know it would effect the entire galaxy and running wouldn't change that.[/quote]Better safe than sorry?

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
Where was C-Sec and the other survivors on the citadel? Over the course of the entire third game the reapers are unable to clean out any single planet, so how do they manage to clean out the citadel, which was presumably incredibly well defended, in under a day? I guess they could of taken control of the citadel systems, but if they did that why not shut down the relay network, which was the plan in the first game (and all previous cycles)?[/quote]They didn't clean out the Citadel. You can still see activity going on when talking to the Illusive man.

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
The Starchild asserts his solutions will no longer work. Upon player rejection of the Starchild's new solutions, he decides to continue with the old, failed solution.[/quote]He doesn't decide. He simply can't change anything himself. 

[quote]7he Island Head wrote... 
The creators of Starchild, used a synthetic to solve the problem of hostile synthetics[/quote]What else could they use? They needed something that would basically last forever.

Modifié par NightAntilli, 26 juin 2012 - 08:55 .

[KingZayd]

Walla Walla 06 wrote...

SadisticStick wrote...

The Starchild asserts his solutions will no longer work. Upon player rejection of the Starchild's new solutions, he decides to continue with the old, failed solution.

Well, what choice does he have?  He knows his solutions will fail eventually in all likelihood, but Shepard doesn't feel like coming up with a new solution, and he's the only person on the Citadel.  Might as well clean house, harvest everyone, and give it another go, and hope everyone's too dumb to believe in the Reapers yet again.

Could have any of the trillions of other people in the galaxy do it?

[Striker93175]

MAJOR Flaw: Shepard gets hit by harbringer's beam...

If it were...

Real --> Vaporized. Dude it slices titanium ships, entire city's multiple buildings at a time and you get head on full blast without motion side to side its steady on you.

Illusion --> Only possibility for all else to follow. Proof of concept... watch first mins of initial invasion. Laser merely grazes a ship and boom. Slices thru buildings boom. Remember when you need to laser designate the reaper for the ariel strike? What happens when you get hit? Toast. EC or not I fail to understand how anything else is even possible it was a direct friggin hit...

Wheres the logic?

Modifié par Striker93175, 26 juin 2012 - 09:01 .

[Darkeus]

Lol at NightAntilli. I don't think you realize you are making this thread's point. You know how many "dunno" and questions you have there.

If these were not plot holes, you would not have questions..... Simple logic!

Modifié par Darkeus, 26 juin 2012 - 09:03 .

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Got another one: the beam is still originating in the viper nebula (the one we blew up in arrival).

[Firecell11]

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

Got another one: the beam is still originating in the viper nebula (the one we blew up in arrival).

yeah thats pretty dumb

[Blue Liara]

OF course it still has plot holes. Because the ending doesn't really change that much. It is still 90% the same. It is still RUBBISH

[sheppard7]

Your plot hole #2 didn't happen for me.

Ashley and Liara in ground squad. Liara the worse of the two injured as Ash helped her to the Normandy. Now I can see that plot hole happening if you had Garrus in your ground team since he's shown perfectly fine telling Joker they have to go though. I wondered if Garrus would be replaced if he was in the ground squad and say someone else told Joker it was time to go.

[Comguard2]

The EC turned out to be exactly what I was afraid of. You can't explain the unexplainable.

That it is even clearly stated now that the Catalyst was created by organics makes the whole thing even funnier, he even mentions that they didn't want to become the first Reaper.

Organics create synthetics to solve the problem of synthetics killing organics only to be killed by synthetics that kill organics so they can't be killed by synthetics.

That's the story of ME. The motives Sovereign said our minds couldn't comprehend.

[karatemanchan37]

Also little nitpick here. Shepard breathing =/= Shepard Alive.

[7he Island Head]

sheppard7 wrote...

Your plot hole #2 didn't happen for me.

Ashley and Liara in ground squad. Liara the worse of the two injured as Ash helped her to the Normandy. Now I can see that plot hole happening if you had Garrus in your ground team since he's shown perfectly fine telling Joker they have to go though. I wondered if Garrus would be replaced if he was in the ground squad and say someone else told Joker it was time to go.

After the Normandy landed on the jungle plant I had Tali (the most injuried squadmate) hop out fully healed and healthy. There was a few more shot of here fully healed.

So you didn't see Liara up on her feet at all? 

Modifié par 7he Island Head, 26 juin 2012 - 09:14 .

[NuMaster]

So where are you Bioware? Huh!? Where the fuc& are our answers? I am tired of this bull**** with us having to fight and claw for any sort of explanation.

So, Bioware, until something happens thats make some go&&amn sense, I say we just boycott this company.

I have been a Bioware fan since before KOTOR, but this is just insulting. Everything about this ending debacle was insulting.

[7he Island Head]

NuMaster wrote...

So where are you Bioware? Huh!? Where the fuc& are our answers? I am tired of this bull**** with us having to fight and claw for any sort of explanation.

So, Bioware, until something happens thats make some go&&amn sense, I say we just boycott this company.

I have been a Bioware fan since before KOTOR, but this is just insulting. Everything about this ending debacle was insulting.

Of course they ignore threads like this  

[Rompa87-2]

I'm most confused about the memorial service on the Normandy, where they are putting up Shepards name on the plaque. It looks like they are still on the planet they crashed on. How could they know Anderson is dead? And my Shepard isn't even dead!

[wolfsite]

Was still upsaet that you can't throw the reasoning of Organic and synthetic life not being able to co-exist by pointing out that you were able to make peace with the Quarians and Geth (and that they are working together now) that an organic and synthetic are able to love each other (Joker/EDI) and that by wiping everyone out the Reapoers are merely preventing people from reaching the next stage of developmental life that said Reapers feel they are trying to achieve.

Would have been a great act of defiance by pointing out the flaw in it's logic.

Modifié par wolfsite, 26 juin 2012 - 09:49 .