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[Gigerstreak]

I loved Synthisis

[Oransel]

Malditor wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Synthesis = Project Overlord. So beautiful, isn't it?

Not even close really.

Why not? Ah, I forgot...  

Seriously, though, Overlord is the most accurate description of what will happen if you mix computer with brain.

[Malditor]

Oransel wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Synthesis = Project Overlord. So beautiful, isn't it?

Not even close really.

Why not? Ah, I forgot...  

Seriously, though, Overlord is the most accurate description of what will happen if you mix computer with brain.

That was trying to interface an organic brain with a computer. They synthesis ending isn't that.

[Oransel]

Malditor wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Seriously, though, Overlord is the most accurate description of what will happen if you mix computer with brain.

That was trying to interface an organic brain with a computer. They synthesis ending isn't that.

Space magic aside, it IS that.

[Malditor]

Oransel wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Seriously, though, Overlord is the most accurate description of what will happen if you mix computer with brain.

That was trying to interface an organic brain with a computer. They synthesis ending isn't that.

Space magic aside, it IS that.

Space magic aside? If you dismiss the fact that all organics have been changed fundamentally to be partially synthetic in nature to prove your point then you aren't proving your point.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Yeah. Synthesis is really bad now. Not only does elite Shepard violate the right of self-determination by pushing radical racial identity changes through their throats, it also messes with their minds. If the races had their marbles together than I am sure that they would object to follow Shepard in Saren's plan to unite the reapers, the husks, the organics and the synthetics in one big happy family. But that peace looks like an utopian pipe dream fueled by old fashioned indoctrination. No wonder everyone is happy and don't care that their rights have been sold to the brat.

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Sovereign will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed." - Saren Arterius

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 27 juin 2012 - 02:01 .

[Oransel]

Malditor wrote...
Space magic aside? If you dismiss the fact that all organics have been changed fundamentally to be partially synthetic in nature to prove your point then you aren't proving your point.

In project Overlord, the man was changed to become partially synthetic in nature. That's why I asked: wasn't it beautiful?

[Malditor]

Oransel wrote...

Malditor wrote...
Space magic aside? If you dismiss the fact that all organics have been changed fundamentally to be partially synthetic in nature to prove your point then you aren't proving your point.

In project Overlord, the man was changed to become partially synthetic in nature. That's why I asked: wasn't it beautiful?

Implants aren't the same thing as what happens via synthesis, but I see that you are steadfast in what you think. Pretty much no point in discussion.

[AngryFrozenWater]

BTW: I foresee a great future for the new adorable husks as babysitters for the krogan.

Thinking about that... If you didn't cure the genophage would the Disney-style fairytale of synthesis cure it anyway? After all, there's nothing left of their racial identity. Everything is just "life!", according to Mac Walters, right?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 27 juin 2012 - 03:15 .

[Oransel]

Malditor wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Malditor wrote...
Space magic aside? If you dismiss the fact that all organics have been changed fundamentally to be partially synthetic in nature to prove your point then you aren't proving your point.

In project Overlord, the man was changed to become partially synthetic in nature. That's why I asked: wasn't it beautiful?

Implants aren't the same thing as what happens via synthesis, but I see that you are steadfast in what you think. Pretty much no point in discussion.

It is really simple: implantation is sharing your body with machine. Synthesis or technological Singularity is mixing your personality with the machine through allowing computer to have access to your brain. There will no longer be "you". It will be "your" part of the brain in constant struggle with cold calculating computer which is completely alien to yourself. You can't even imagine this. Your thoughts will be mixed with artificial thoughts of something else. Most likely, most of those people in the synthesis will go insane, while others will commit suicide, because there will be no escape from this soulless machine inside your soul.

Synthetics have right to live. But they are too different, too alien, too wrong to be mixed with organics. It is technically possible to achieve this, but the results would be... Not good.

Even more simple. Why don't you cut half of your body and tie the remains to the half of the ape? Notice that you won't share your brain with it. Or even better, genetic manipulations! So ape instincts will be mixed with your own thoughts! It's singularity!

That's why I ask you again. Isn't it beautiful?..

[Malditor]

Oransel wrote...

Implants aren't the same thing as what happens via synthesis, but I see that you are steadfast in what you think. Pretty much no point in discussion.

It is really simple: implantation is sharing your body with machine. Synthesis or technological Singularity is mixing your personality with the machine through allowing computer to have access to your brain. There will no longer be "you". It will be "your" part of the brain in constant struggle with cold calculating computer which is completely alien to yourself. You can't even imagine this. Your thoughts will be mixed with artificial thoughts of something else. Most likely, most of those people in the synthesis will go insane, while others will commit suicide, because there will be no escape from this soulless machine inside your soul.

Synthetics have right to live. But they are too different, too alien, too wrong to be mixed with organics. It is technically possible to achieve this, but the results would be... Not good.

Even more simple. Why don't you cut half of your body and tie the remains to the half of the ape? Notice that you won't share your brain with it. Or even better, genetic manipulations! So ape instincts will be mixed with your own thoughts! It's singularity!

That's why I ask you again. Isn't it beautiful?..

See above bold/underlined section. You are twisting what happened in the ending to fit what you believe. That being the case there's no point in this discussion.

Modifié par Malditor, 27 juin 2012 - 02:24 .

[Iozeph]

antares_sublight wrote...

The look on the husk's face when it wakes up is kind of horrifying.

So it is.

Which is why synthesis is rubbish.

The writers figured the Shepard arc was ended with synthesis? Why? Who says the worst is over and done after Mass effect three? Once they've woken up I see a subculture of victims(husks, brutes, banshees, marauders, and cannibals) - depending on just how independently minded what's left of them are- who as a class of walking dead should resent the reapers for what was done to them and more so every human(and the other races) for the reminders they present of just how much the husks have had stolen from them.

How do you mend that? How do you rehabilitate them? Should you? They'll certainly never have the lives they'd had before. They'll never have their own green-eyed children. Who's to say they won't lash out at everyone? And in turn who's to say that one segment of the synthesised populace won't want them gathered and kept from the rest of society- or worse -exterminated? Who says another faction won't wish to protect them? That a war won't be fought over just this? 

Synthesis might have come life's next evolutionary step but it doesn't guarantee that those synthesised won't find a way to destroy themselves from within. It calls to mind the Serbians and Croatians under Communist rule- and just what happened once that rule was taken away. Nothing bettered. Nothing changed.

And if it has- if having every
life form in the galaxy linked via synthesis means dissenters are simply 'rewritten,' then what?
Synthesis, just as Control, comes to naught but another colouring -packaging- of inescapable fascism.

So five years, three games, and we're left with the Borg?

[GrayFoxbr]

Synthesis sounds like John Lennon's Imagine but it turns out to be sooooooo creepy.

[mcz2345]

GrayFoxbr wrote...

Synthesis sounds like John Lennon's Imagine but it turns out to be sooooooo creepy.

It is quite common for some people to be afraid of something which is greater than they are, you can't blaim the game for it though or the writers

[horacethegrey]

Synthesis is the Evil Ending in my humble opinion. It fulfills the Catalyst's goal of uniting organic and synthetic lifeforms, thus ensuring his victory. Now everyone is a glowy eyed cyborg! YIPEE!!! Nevermind the fact that the Starbrat and his toy squids never answer for their atrocities throughout the infinite millenia. 

I hate it. But EDI's narration is beautiful despite that.

[mcz2345]

horacethegrey wrote...

Synthesis is the Evil Ending in my humble opinion. It fulfills the Catalyst's goal of uniting organic and synthetic lifeforms, thus ensuring his victory. Now everyone is a glowy eyed cyborg! YIPEE!!! Nevermind the fact that the Starbrat and his toy squids never answer for their atrocities throughout the infinite millenia. 

I hate it. But EDI's narration is beautiful despite that.

Maybe it is because the Reapers were never the bad guys

[greggers1]

I always wonder about posts like this in the forum. I bet most of them are just pro-bioware profiles, paid by bioware to say how awesome something is when in reality it isn't.

"The original endings were awesome right guys"? "Synthesis is great everyone is murdered and replaced by a clone who now loves the reapers, who needs free will" ?!?!

I'm just glad I don't live in the ME universe and that a pro synthesis Shepard is in charge. I'd of driven my space ship into the sun and be done with it, so as to not suffer through such a horrible future.

[mcz2345]

greggers1 wrote...

I always wonder about posts like this in the forum. I bet most of them are just pro-bioware profiles, paid by bioware to say how awesome something is when in reality it isn't.

"The original endings were awesome right guys"? "Synthesis is great everyone is murdered and replaced by a clone who now loves the reapers, who needs free will" ?!?!

I'm just glad I don't live in the ME universe and that a pro synthesis Shepard is in charge. I'd of driven my space ship into the sun and be done with it, so as to not suffer through such a horrible future.

chill out, just because you want to kill everybody doesn't mean my choice is wrong

[DashRunner92]

I actually had a tough time between Synthesis and Destroy, though I did pick destroy. The thing for me is that the Ghost Kid's voice goes all Reaperized if you do the reject ending. Also while Edi's speech is touching, it starts to sound really creepy towards the end. I also don't understand how synthesis will stop war and overpopulation? War will also be a possibility as long as people have free will. Overpopulation.. I don't really have any idea how synthesis could stop it, especially with all the happy husks and banshees running around!

Modifié par DashRunner92, 27 juin 2012 - 06:53 .

[Shepard Wins]

*enters thread*

Uh-oh.

Abandon thread!

[Solaxe]

DashRunner92 wrote...

 War will also be a possibility as long as people have free will.

Yes, but synthesis gives everyone more empathy

[horacethegrey]

mcz2345 wrote...

Maybe it is because the Reapers were never the bad guys

Turning entire species into slushies and then using said liquid to make more giant squids?

Yeah. Definitely not bad guys. <_<

[mcz2345]

horacethegrey wrote...

mcz2345 wrote...

Maybe it is because the Reapers were never the bad guys

Turning entire species into slushies and then using said liquid to make more giant squids?

Yeah. Definitely not bad guys. <_<

It is all a matter of perspective. Do you eat meat ? By your logic we are the worst possible beings in the galaxy, being as we industrially exterminate millions of cows, chicken, sheep, lambs, pigs etc. etc. every year for centuries, doesn't that make you a super evil being ? Doesn't that make you a Reaper only on a smaller scale (not galactic, but planetary ?)

Modifié par mcz2345, 27 juin 2012 - 08:06 .

[wizardryforever]

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

I do wish people would drop the "galactic rape" angle from their arguments against synthesis.  For one, all three endings basically force something on the galaxy (though I have yet to see the other two new endings, I will soon).  Destroy even kills a whole society and numerous individuals.  The galaxy is forced to accept the results of the Crucible regardless of your choice.  Synthesis is not unique in this.

You've missed the point.  Synthesis changes everyone (without their consent) at a cellular level, and alters their brain chemistry.  It's essentially a form of magical, invasive surgery.  In that way it IS unique from the other options.

Not really.  It's more of an upgrade.  And like Bender from that classic Futurama episode, people view this upgrade as something malicious.  This episode:

Essentially, Bender is rendered obsolete by this new type of robot, and hates the new robot with a passion, despite the robot's extreme helpfulness.  An upgrade comes out to make old robots compatible with robot 1-X's personality, and Bender remarks how robots seem like they aren't even themselves anymore after the upgrade.  When he gets the upgrade, Bender experiences a simulation in which he learns a life lesson and accepts robot 1-X afterwards.  I see synthesis as being something similar.  The upgrade mostly gives understanding of the other side, to a degree never before possible, bringing an end to conflict based on fear and misunderstanding and prejudice.  And you liken it to rape.  And you say I've missed the point.

Furthermore, the galaxy has put all of its hopes into the Crucible.  In a sense, they're willing to use it even though they aren't entirely sure what it will do.  They lose the right to complain about being altered when they consider that they and everyone else would be dead otherwise.

... But everyone wouldn't be dead otherwise.  Shepard could have chosen Destroy or Control. 

No one other than Shepard knows about the other choices, so as far as the general public knows, the only other option was death by Reaper.  If I was in their shoes, I'd accept synthesis for what it brought: an end to the Reaper war.

[wizardryforever]

horacethegrey wrote...

mcz2345 wrote...

Maybe it is because the Reapers were never the bad guys

Turning entire species into slushies and then using said liquid to make more giant squids?

Yeah. Definitely not bad guys. <_<

Well to be fair the reasoning that they used for it was pretty grey, not outright evil.  Reprehensible, but I'd imagine that if a species truly believed the threat from synthetics was real, they might consider Reaperification as a viable alternative to total extinction.  So there's that.