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[Taboo]

Obvakhi wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.

 Once again Synthesis-haters are too stubborn to even look at the potential benefits, they can only look at the negative aspects. 'It MUST be bad because I say so!'

I'd call that a fallacy.

ALL of the endings have positive and negative consequences.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 26 juin 2012 - 07:31 .

[DistantUtopia]

Obvakhi wrote...
 Once again Synthesis-haters are too stubborn to even look at the potential benefits, they can only look at the negative aspects. 'It MUST be bad because I say so!'

Some of us do understand the benefits appear to outweigh the negatives.  It doesn't mean we still agree with the choice.  Same way that pro-synthetics do not agree with the other options.

[samb]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

So the pro-ending crowd scoffs that retake just wants a happy ending... then doesn't bat an eye when Synthesis produces an unambiguously utopian society where everyone lives alongside their friends and family, whom were turned into husks doing the Reaper war.

Its better than being liquified by reapers. Yeah I'll take an "unambiguously" utopia. It sounds like..... A utopia. Do you know what you are saying?  Did you think unambiguous and utopia had different meaning?

[Aramintai]

Yes, judging from the starbrat's speech and later cutscene it is very clear that Synthesis is Bioware's ideal ending.
Personally, I find it revolting - you force all organics to synthesize even though the brat said that it has to be done voluntarily for it to be successful. But who cares, right? We have the magic green energy beam with incomprehensible working mechanics that transforms everyone into a cyborg and everything is perfect and rosy.

[comrade gando]

how about they let me defeat the reapers like a badass like they've been convincing me I can do for the past 5 years. Oh wait joke's on me I have to die no matter what and pick between 4 stupid endings. what a dick move bioware.

[Armass81]

Elite Midget wrote...

Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.

Not the entire universe, only Milky Way galaxy.

[chemiclord]

Yeah, I still do not get in the slightest how Synthesis is supposed to even work.

And if it must be voluntary, I can guarantee you that a great number would refuse it. So... how does that solve the Catalyst's supposed problem?

Hell, how does everyone ACCEPTING it solve the supposed problem?

[Creighton72]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.

 Once again Synthesis-haters are too stubborn to even look at the potential benefits, they can only look at the negative aspects. 'It MUST be bad because I say so!'

I'd call that a fallacy.

ALL of the endings have positive and negative consequences.

What insane thought process inspired you to try and use logic with these endings? Are you crazy? Do you want a brain cramp?

[zephuurs]

Synthesis: best ending evarrrrrrrr

[Yakko77]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ha! The jokes on you. I still picked Destroy.

Same here.  I didn't play through 2.99 games only to have merging with the enemy suddenly become the "good" choice out of no where especially when it involves imposing it everyone in the galaxy without their knowledge or permission.

[Yakko77]

zephuurs wrote...

Synthesis: best ending evarrrrrrrr

Just ask the BW writers who came up with it.  They'll tell you!

[Locutus_of_BORG]

All the old endings got drastically improved, imo. Even Control has become pretty badass this time around. Synthesis is a bit campy, but it reminds me of Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri (too bad EDI's speech isn't as epic as Planet's).

To be clear, I'm still not 100% pleased with the EC endings (eg: Catalyst is still the paragon of logical fallacies) but now things are at least palatable for me.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 26 juin 2012 - 07:44 .

[AtlasMickey]

I didn't cry, but I was emotional. It's the ending I always thought it was and the only ending I thought it could have. They just got behind it and clarified it for the people who needed it, which is what I really wanted most out of all this.

They really did listen to us.

[Adamantium93]

I didnt cry but i got a little stuffy when edi hugged liara. Control is still my choice though.

[lasertank]

The investigation dialog in the synthesis choice is ridiculous.

"We tried it before. But it always failed. But you are ready."

What kind of explanation is that?

I can not believe anyone would buy it.

[XINVADER]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

So the pro-ending crowd scoffs that retake just wants a happy ending... then doesn't bat an eye when Synthesis produces an unambiguously utopian society where everyone lives alongside their friends and family, whom were turned into husks doing the Reaper war.

A society where everyone looses there individuality and lives in peace. Seems legit.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

lasertank wrote...

The investigation dialog in the synthesis choice is ridiculous.

"We tried it before. But it always failed. But you are ready."

What kind of explanation is that?

I can not believe anyone would buy it.

I can only assume Catalyst meant the Collectors...


Dam u, Marauder Shields!! Why did you have to die???

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 26 juin 2012 - 07:46 .

[AresKeith]

Obvakhi wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.

 Once again Synthesis-haters are too stubborn to even look at the potential benefits, they can only look at the negative aspects. 'It MUST be bad because I say so!'

well since Systhesis was Saren's idea, I can see why we would not go for it

[xcomcmdr]

Elite Midget wrote...

Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.

Also, in ME 1 and ME 2 I won without the aid of a Deus Ex Catalysta.

But in ME 3 EC I still can't win without killing the Geth. :/

Modifié par xcomcmdr, 26 juin 2012 - 07:48 .

[rsp101289]

If you pick synthesis your a sick ****, period. You gave in.

Modifié par rsp101289, 26 juin 2012 - 07:51 .

[chmarr]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ha! The jokes on you. I still picked Destroy.

HA HA jokes on YOU


i picked the strawberry cupcakes

[Ieldra]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...
All the old endings got drastically improved, imo. Even Control has become pretty badass this time around. Synthesis is a bit campy, but it reminds me of Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri (too bad EDI's speech isn't as epic as Planet's).

To be clear, I'm still not 100% pleased with the EC endings (eg: Catalyst is still the paragon of logical fallacies) but now things are at least palatable for me.

Hehe.....I quoted Planet's "Ascent to Transcendence" speech in the intro of my Synthesis thread. I guess I got that right, eh?

@all:
No, Synthesis isn't *unambiguously* utopian. There are some creepy aspects, and it's made clear that it's not the end-all utopian society forever, but the start of something completely new. There's no stagnation but an ascension. I really like it.

[Aweus]

There is no doubt Synthesis is presented as the most noble and positive ending. Shepard becomes a space Jesus and thanks to his/her sacrifice the galaxy begins an era of eternal love and prosperity. Yet the problem remains that synthesis involves such amounts of Space Magic that it is just unbearable for me in the sci-fi game. At least basis of destroy and control are on the level that can be explained using general rulesets of Mass Effect lore. Synthesis? What? How? Why? No matter how good consequences this ending brings it simply does not make sense.

[Alikain]

I must say that bioware have out done themselves this time. To me all the three ending was so great and touching that it's good that I had three different playthough to choose each ending for.

[Bionic Weapon]

Yakko77 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ha! The jokes on you. I still picked Destroy.

Same here.  I didn't play through 2.99 games only to have merging with the enemy suddenly become the "good" choice out of no where especially when it involves imposing it everyone in the galaxy without their knowledge or permission.

Not only that but starbrat said it failed once before and this was when the all powerful Reapers tried it, but one man/woman was all it took for it to work properly.... I'm sorry but that's just crazy, and illogical imo and as you said it was forced without consent. Had this been shown to have benefits earlier in the series instead of at the very end then maybe people would of been on board ( big maybe) also why does the catalyst think a single man can brig this about when as I said earlier the Reapers couldn't even do it? It seems that option should of been scrapped.