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[Kick In The Door]

OMG IM SO MAD WHY NO SEX SCENE WITH LOVE INTEREST THAT ALL I PLAY GAME FOR!!!!!!! WHY NO REUNION WITH CREW, TALK ON EARTH NO ENOUGH!!!!!! WHY NO ENDING WHERE RAINBOWS COME OUT OF SHEPARD'S ASS!?!?!


/sarcasm

Ah, that feels better.

[Aweus]

Kick In The Door wrote...

OMG IM SO MAD WHY NO SEX SCENE WITH LOVE INTEREST THAT ALL I PLAY GAME FOR!!!!!!! WHY NO REUNION WITH CREW, TALK ON EARTH NO ENOUGH!!!!!! WHY NO ENDING WHERE RAINBOWS COME OUT OF SHEPARD'S ASS!?!?!


/sarcasm

Ah, that feels better.

You have no clue at what you are talking about. Your attempt at sarcasm has failed.

[Fuzrum77]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yep, OP, the EC's Synthesis is really good. But depend on the haters to take the somewhat creepy aspects (which I don't deny) and blow them up all out of proportion.

It's not that I find Synthesis creepy. I find it lazy writing and insulting to the spirit of the series. Racial diversity has been one of the main themes throughout Mass Effect. The Krogan vs. The Salarians. Bigotry toward the Quarians. Upstart Humans taking over everything. These were fascinating and integral elements.

But don't worry! Now with new, shiny added Space Mojo: we don't have to be different! We can all be the same: homogenized! All problems FIXED! Boom. Because diversity is bad.

L.A.Z.Y.


... and absurd.


Edit: And I can'e believe I forgot: brokering the peace between the Quarians and the Geth. Nobody thought it was possible, but Shepard, against all odds, because of who he is and what he believes: did it. And then it was all rendered worthless with Synthesis. "Thanks, Commander, that was real cute how you brought together a whole -two- races.  <rolls eyes> Stand aside <cracks knuckles>. Watch this." Sppaaaaace Maaaaagic!

Modifié par Fuzrum77, 26 juin 2012 - 08:09 .

[rsp101289]

I started to doze off at work today and I dreampt of an ending where you choose destroy, Sheppard wakes up, there's an epic battle and THEN the game ends. Who dies is based on your choices throughout the series and your EMS, similar to ME2 endings but without the loyalty stuff. It's not like the reapers losing and Sheppard surviving is a "happy" ending, billions still died and pretty much everything got destroyed. I hate the notion that games can't always have good endings because real life isn't like that. Well GUESS WHAT, maybe games SHOULD have happy endings because there a means of escape from everyday life.

Also who the hell is Sheppard to make the call on everybody's behalf and turn them all into cyborgs? Sacrificing himself in the control ending is one thing...even though I don't agree at least he's not changing the very fabric of all life in the galaxy directly.

Modifié par rsp101289, 26 juin 2012 - 08:13 .

[VRtheTrooper]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.

 Once again Synthesis-haters are too stubborn to even look at the potential benefits, they can only look at the negative aspects. 'It MUST be bad because I say so!'

I'd call that a fallacy.

ALL of the endings have positive and negative consequences.

^thank you

i must say, i PREFER the synth ending. i enjoy the open interpritations for the "advanced" tech. This doesn't mean that the other endings don't make any sense though. 

Modifié par VRtheTrooper, 26 juin 2012 - 08:15 .

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Seeing all the slideshows with the creepy glowing green zombie eyes...yeah, this is NOT my ending. I can kinda get, from storywriter's POV, why it is attractive, but as a philosopher, I find this idea most objectional. The problem with this ending is that, while as a story element, it might function very well, the fact that it is a player choice, taken by a player protagonist, means that it is brought into the real world. By that, I mean to say that, it's not Shepard that makes the decision in his universe, but we, the players, take the decision. And we take real-world issues into account, not gaming, especially since this is a choice that is founded on cerebral concerns, not emotional ones. (contrast the Virmire choice)

It may have worked for Deus Ex, but that game is over 10 years old. For context: when Deus Ex was released, most of us did, in fact, not own cellphones. So, what seemed possible back then, seems nonsense and a cop-out today. Or even worse, outright objectionable, in the case of Synthesis.

[rsp101289]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Seeing all the slideshows with the creepy glowing green zombie eyes...yeah, this is NOT my ending. I can kinda get, from storywriter's POV, why it is attractive, but as a philosopher, I find this idea most objectional. The problem with this ending is that, while as a story element, it might function very well, the fact that it is a player choice, taken by a player protagonist, means that it is brought into the real world. By that, I mean to say that, it's not Shepard that makes the decision in his universe, but we, the players, take the decision. And we take real-world issues into account, not gaming, especially since this is a choice that is founded on cerebral concerns, not emotional ones. (contrast the Virmire choice)

It may have worked for Deus Ex, but that game is over 10 years old. For context: when Deus Ex was released, most of us did, in fact, not own cellphones. So, what seemed possible back then, seems nonsense and a cop-out today. Or even worse, outright objectionable, in the case of Synthesis.

Exactly. I mentioned in the topic I created that people who would choose something OTHER than destroy may make dumb decisions like that in real life too. Considering the psychological investment this game commands, I have to believe most people make choices in the game like they are having to make the choice for real (on the first playthrough anyway). It scares me how many people were tricked into thinking Synthesis or Control were the best options.

[mcz2345]

I think people who dislike Synthesis don't understand it, things like "there is no diversity", "space magic" and "galactic rape" just show how limited your view on the subject is

[VRtheTrooper]

mcz2345 wrote...

I think people who dislike Synthesis don't understand it, things like "there is no diversity", "space magic" and "galactic rape" just show how limited your view on the subject is

not to offend anyone, but to me, it seems narrow-minded/one dimensional to not grasp the concept. people want a black or white ending. when there are opend ends to interpretation, all hell breaks loose. 

[Gravbh]

mcz2345 wrote...

I think people who dislike Synthesis don't understand it, things like "there is no diversity", "space magic" and "galactic rape" just show how limited your view on the subject is

I can see the no diversity and galactic rape view, but I don't understand the space magic complaint.

Element zero defying the laws of physics? Biotics in general? Space magic has always been part of mass effect. Why did it take this long for it to be rage-inducing?

[mcz2345]

VRtheTrooper wrote...

mcz2345 wrote...

I think people who dislike Synthesis don't understand it, things like "there is no diversity", "space magic" and "galactic rape" just show how limited your view on the subject is

not to offend anyone, but to me, it seems narrow-minded/one dimensional to not grasp the concept. people want a black or white ending. when there are opend ends to interpretation, all hell breaks loose. 

I don't think that the new endings are open to interpretation, Synthesis is the super happy ending and it is clearly shown as such

[billida]

I think synthesis is creepier than before, if possible. having reapers as "friends" almost made me throw my controller away. It seems a complete nonsense to me, on all points. This so called utopia freaked me out.

[mcz2345]

billida wrote...

I think synthesis is creepier than before, if possible. having reapers as "friends" almost made me throw my controller away. It seems a complete nonsense to me, on all points. This so called utopia freaked me out.

Why did it freak you out ? Did you want the ending to be gloomy, depressing and dark ? Then choose destroy with very low EMS and without the EC.

I just don't understand you people sometimes :/

[im commander shep]

I'm still bugged by the fact that the Starkid said that he had tried synthesis in previous cycles and it had not worked you could not force it on organics, and what did you just do. Force it on the whole galaxy. But hay ho 5min of cut scenes of everyone working together. There is never going to be any issues in the future like reproduction children and well death?

[billida]

it freaked me out for the same reasons it did before. In its own way i think it is the gloomiest ending (tired of repeating the same arguments as 3 months ago). the green glows on everyone (including baby krogan) seemed directly taken from a very bad dystopia SF novel.

[kleindropper]

People are being fully indoctrinated with the EC, I see.

[Meohfumado]

Sorry, I still find the Synthesis ending as patently offensive. You rob the entire galaxy of free will, and force them to conform....because you are Shepherd and know whats best for everybody?

Not buying it.

I cannot possibly see how this is any way a good ending. As a theme, it is offensive on many levels. Diversity is bad, uniformity is good and the only way to maintain peace. Makes me highly question the ethics of the writers if this is supposed to be the "best" ending. Its ethnic cleansing on a galactic scale.

Also...Star child is still one helluva logical fallacy. Guess I wanted a Star Trek ending where you could point out how illogical the Star Child is and get him to reconsider....but whatever.

Bioware is free to have their artistic vision. And I'm free to my opinion that they **** the bed still. Five minutes left in the game I couldn't wait to play one of my other four playthroughs. I was relishing the chance to see how my Paragon playthrough might differ from my renegade one. After watching the endings, I had zero desire to ever play the game again. That's called fumbling the ball while crossing the goalline,

The EC's may better explain the endings...but its just polishing a turd.

[Brandonhc]

Elite Midget wrote...

Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.

[Bionic Weapon]

im commander shep wrote...

I'm still bugged by the fact that the Starkid said that he had tried synthesis in previous cycles and it had not worked you could not force it on organics, and what did you just do. Force it on the whole galaxy. But hay ho 5min of cut scenes of everyone working together. There is never going to be any issues in the future like reproduction children and well death?

Thats the one thing that made it ridiculous. These all powerful Reapers tried to accomplish this and failed, but one single man can accomplish what an entire race of Reapers could not... If Shep has that kind of power then all the has to do is snap his fingers and make the Reapers explode.

[chuckles471]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...
All the old endings got drastically improved, imo. Even Control has become pretty badass this time around. Synthesis is a bit campy, but it reminds me of Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri (too bad EDI's speech isn't as epic as Planet's).

To be clear, I'm still not 100% pleased with the EC endings (eg: Catalyst is still the paragon of logical fallacies) but now things are at least palatable for me.

Hehe.....I quoted Planet's "Ascent to Transcendence" speech in the intro of my Synthesis thread. I guess I got that right, eh?

@all:
No, Synthesis isn't *unambiguously* utopian. There are some creepy aspects, and it's made clear that it's not the end-all utopian society forever, but the start of something completely new. There's no stagnation but an ascension. I really like it.

 
I hear "transcendence" all the time in many media but the only problem is, the people who say it are usually dribbling psychopaths with a 50 foot penis shaped tentacle coming out their shoulder.  Also they sometimes try to take over the world by turning people into mindless slaves.  But this is different right.

[Kawamura]

Meohfumado wrote...

Sorry, I still find the Synthesis ending as patently offensive. You rob the entire galaxy of free will, and force them to conform....because you are Shepherd and know whats best for everybody?

Not buying it.

I cannot possibly see how this is any way a good ending. As a theme, it is offensive on many levels. Diversity is bad, uniformity is good and the only way to maintain peace. Makes me highly question the ethics of the writers if this is supposed to be the "best" ending. Its ethnic cleansing on a galactic scale.

Also...Star child is still one helluva logical fallacy. Guess I wanted a Star Trek ending where you could point out how illogical the Star Child is and get him to reconsider....but whatever.

Bioware is free to have their artistic vision. And I'm free to my opinion that they **** the bed still. Five minutes left in the game I couldn't wait to play one of my other four playthroughs. I was relishing the chance to see how my Paragon playthrough might differ from my renegade one. After watching the endings, I had zero desire to ever play the game again. That's called fumbling the ball while crossing the goalline,

The EC's may better explain the endings...but its just polishing a turd.

YOU CAN'T HAVE PEACE WITH DIVERSITY. 

Note: Geth and Quarians made up in my game, all the various organic life forms and synthetic lifeforms are working together at this point. Peacefully. KROGANS AND TURIANS AND SALARIANS ARE GETTING ALONG. 

NO PEACE WITH DIVERSITY. 

So, not only is it offensive out of universe (apply that thought to race relations and you get ugly, ugly ideas), but there are in character examples of PEACE WITH DIVERSITY. 

/table flip

[rsp101289]

kleindropper wrote...

People are being fully indoctrinated with the EC, I see.

If only...

And like I said earlier in this thread, you've gotta be an evil mother[bleep] to choose synthesis.

Modifié par rsp101289, 26 juin 2012 - 09:12 .

[TransientNomad]

mcz2345 wrote...

I think people who dislike Synthesis don't understand it, things like "there is no diversity", "space magic" and "galactic rape" just show how limited your view on the subject is

How so?

[Bigdoser]

Don't care about the positives of synthesis you are still forcing people to change on a genetic level with out their consent plus the slides were bloody creepy imo.