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greggers1 wrote...

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Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.


-_- Once again Synthesis-haters are too stubborn to even look at the potential benefits, they can only look at the negative aspects. 'It MUST be bad because I say so!'


No it's bad because you rewrite the genetic structure of every living creature and machine in the galaxy against their will, at no point in time was a there a vote to see if everyone wanted to be raped by the star child. I'm stubborn because rape is bad and at no time would I let the Catalyst a.k.a. a reaper a.k.a. the enemy, tell me what to pick. I'd show them my butts cheeks and laugh as I sent them straight to hell. 


If you're trying to prevent rape, I highly reccomend against taking that course of action. :D


Don't mind me, this is a wee bit of off-topic silliness.

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But when humanity advanced 200 years in months after discovering the Mars archive, it was good for humanity and the rest of the galaxy.


It may have been good for humanity but not necessarily the galaxy as a whole. Knowledge created the need to expand which promptly led to conflicts with the other races, first the Turians and later the Batarians. Rapid advances in technology will almost certainly create a higher demand for the limited supply of resources which is bound to cause conflict.

I don't expect Synthesis to create an utopia from night to day, however, primitive cultures were not given advanced knowledge or technology. They don't have the Reapers to help them. At best, their bodies now hold the same wonderful possibilities as ours.


The epilogue doesn't mention any races being excluded from the access to knowledge so that is purely conjecture on your part.

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greggers1 wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.


-_- Once again Synthesis-haters are too stubborn to even look at the potential benefits, they can only look at the negative aspects. 'It MUST be bad because I say so!'


No it's bad because you rewrite the genetic structure of every living creature and machine in the galaxy against their will, at no point in time was a there a vote to see if everyone wanted to be raped by the star child. I'm stubborn because rape is bad and at no time would I let the Catalyst a.k.a. a reaper a.k.a. the enemy, tell me what to pick. I'd show them my butts cheeks and laugh as I sent them straight to hell. The last two games all anyone has said is "We need to destroy the reapers" and "Trying to control them is a bad idea" destroy is the only option that makes logical sense in the entire universe.

What about the people turned into husks? Shouldn't synthesis mean they now walk around and talk forever turned into some cyborg looking freak? What about hte Brutes, some mashed up pile of body parts? You think they're going to like being alive as some freak?

I think any leader in history that has said anything along the lines of "We must become genetically perfect" has turned out to be a pretty bad guy.


So in your head, organics are unable to adapt to change and that they will be miserable for the rest of their lives because they were forced(or 'raped')... Sorry, but I don't see that happening anywhere in the slideshow.
So what right do you have to destroy all synthetics? At no point in time was there a vote given to them.

And I find it ironic that that you said "at no time would I let the Catalyst tell me what to pick". Yet you pick Destroy, so you actually did pick what the Catalyst gives you. By that statement, you should of went with the Refusal ending.

Modifié par Obvakhi, 27 juin 2012 - 05:30 .


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Ha! The jokes on you. I still picked Destroy.


-High fives- Same here. Destroy is still my preference.

The new control has become a close second to me, though.

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StevenG_CT wrote...
It may have been good for humanity but not necessarily the galaxy as a whole. Knowledge created the need to expand which promptly led to conflicts with the other races, first the Turians and later the Batarians. Rapid advances in technology will almost certainly create a higher demand for the limited supply of resources which is bound to cause conflict.

Humans brought important inovations to the galaxy like medigel that has saved millions of lifes, not to mention contributing to peacekeeping purposes alongside turians and just about everything Shepard does.
We have had conflicts but as a whole humans have had a positive effect on the galaxy.

The epilogue doesn't mention any races being excluded from the access to knowledge so that is purely conjecture on your part.

It also doesn't say Reapers are spreading the knowledge to those who were not involved in the building of the Crucible.

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Niniva wrote...

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Ha! The jokes on you. I still picked Destroy.


-High fives- Same here. Destroy is still my preference.

The new control has become a close second to me, though.


This. I tried to give Synthesis a chance, but... I'm sorry, that husk just... creeped me the hell out. Everything about Synthesis creeped me out. I want to believe that it could ascend both Synth and Orgs, but... it just doesn't make any sense at all to me. It really doesn't. 

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Jonathan Shepard wrote...

Niniva wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ha! The jokes on you. I still picked Destroy.


-High fives- Same here. Destroy is still my preference.

The new control has become a close second to me, though.


This. I tried to give Synthesis a chance, but... I'm sorry, that husk just... creeped me the hell out. Everything about Synthesis creeped me out. I want to believe that it could ascend both Synth and Orgs, but... it just doesn't make any sense at all to me. It really doesn't. 


Unlike everything else that is in Mass Effect ? It is a sci-fi epic, it doesn't have to make sense, that is why we play/read/watch these kind of games/books/movies, to experience something unbelievable

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My oh my, some people are just so easily placated.

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Elite Midget wrote...

My oh my, some people are just so easily placated.


care to elaborated, or just keep pretending you know everything ?

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Obvakhi wrote...

greggers1 wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.


-_- Once again Synthesis-haters are too stubborn to even look at the potential benefits, they can only look at the negative aspects. 'It MUST be bad because I say so!'


No it's bad because you rewrite the genetic structure of every living creature and machine in the galaxy against their will, at no point in time was a there a vote to see if everyone wanted to be raped by the star child. I'm stubborn because rape is bad and at no time would I let the Catalyst a.k.a. a reaper a.k.a. the enemy, tell me what to pick. I'd show them my butts cheeks and laugh as I sent them straight to hell. The last two games all anyone has said is "We need to destroy the reapers" and "Trying to control them is a bad idea" destroy is the only option that makes logical sense in the entire universe.

What about the people turned into husks? Shouldn't synthesis mean they now walk around and talk forever turned into some cyborg looking freak? What about hte Brutes, some mashed up pile of body parts? You think they're going to like being alive as some freak?

I think any leader in history that has said anything along the lines of "We must become genetically perfect" has turned out to be a pretty bad guy.


So in your head, organics are unable to adapt to change and that they will be miserable for the rest of their lives because they were forced(or 'raped')... Sorry, but I don't see that happening anywhere in the slideshow.
So what right do you have to destroy all synthetics? At no point in time was there a vote given to them.

And I find it ironic that that you said "at no time would I let the Catalyst tell me what to pick". Yet you pick Destroy, so you actually did pick what the Catalyst gives you. By that statement, you should of went with the Refusal ending.


I'm sure some people would adapt, but do you think everyone is going to be happy with the decision to change everyone without asking? I wouldn't just be miserable, I'd be out for blood. It's like someone kicked in my front door and said "I'm sorry but we're going to have to change your ethnicity, it doesn't fit into MY world view". Synthesis changes your DNA not how you think and feel, I'm sure there'd be plenty of people just as pissed as me. It's not about adapting it's about free will. One person is making a decision for EVERYONE in the galaxy, a decision that can't be reversed. In terms of destroy everyone is in favor of it, they cast their vote by picking up a gun and refusing to be willing harvested and turned into monsters/Reaper goo.

Organics created Synthetics, doesn't matter how fancy you make your toaster or how great it is at mimicking sentience, to me it's still a toaster. A very very smart toaster that is able to contemplate on why it makes toast instead of just shutting the f*** up and making my toast. I'd sacrifice machines a million times over before I went all 'Master Race' all over every organic thing in the galaxy. You want Geth or EDI or other synthetic organisms back, make them again, easy as that.

The game has four choices, if I pick any of them (even refusing to pick is a choice) I'm going to have to make a choice presented by the game. What I meant was that control/synthesis are what the Catalyst would want. The Catalyst controls the Reapers, he wants HIS system of destruction to remain in place. And yes I know what your thinking "but Shepard is in control of the Reapers he can stop them from killing everything" wrong he merged his consciousness with the Catalyst. Shepard has ceased to exist and the new Catalyst is still partially the genocidal rogue A.I. that thinks in order to protect organic life from killing itself by creating Synthetics, it rounds up civilizations kills them and melts them into instant Reaper juice. How long before the new Catalyst deems organics too flawed to be able to keep from killing themselves and reverts back to it's old logic? (especially in the renegade control ending)

In ME1 Saren wanted to control the Reapers and bring about a synthesis between organic and synthetic life, an idea placed in his head because he was indoctrinated by the Reapers (pssst...I don't know if you remember but Saren was the bad guy and so are the Reapers) to be used as a tool to bring the cycle to it's end. In ME2 the collectors were being controlled by the Reapers and they were trying to find your body in order to use your DNA to force synthesis on everyone. If synthesis is the 'Best' ending then why did ME1 and ME2 need to happen? Might as well have agreed with Saren jumped into the laser beam pit and melted your face off in the first game.

The game is and has always been about STOPPING the Reapers, not making freaky with the galaxy's DNA, not inviting them over over for tea and asking them to kindly share all their best ways of wiping out a civilization. Stopping them. They've racked up so many genocides that the next one's free (providing they have the proper amount of hole punches on their frequent genociders card), they make Hitler look like the Ghandi. For what reason, because organics MIGHT kill themselves by creating synthetics? It's like arresting someone for THINKING about doing something illegal. "Hey I don't want you to kill yourself so I'm going to go ahead and kill you myself, to save you and me the hastle later".

TL;DR As long as the Reapers exist, the whole galaxy is in danger. Control/Synthesis is what the Reapers want. Refuse (no matter how fun it was to tell King Reaper f*** you right to his face) is dumb, because you doom everyone to death and the next cycle isn't retarded and they pick destroy anyways. Destroy makes the most logical sense in terms of saving people from the Reaper threat.

Find it hard to write a term paper, but knock out something like this easily, lol. If only there was a video games class in college. :P

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I wouldn't mind the Utopia if not for the fact that synthesis still makes absolutely no sense at all.

GRANDPA, WHAT'S ROBOT DNA AND HOW DO WE ALL HAVE IT NOW?


WELL, YA SEE SONNY......I GOT NOTHING.

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... I'd show them my butts cheeks and laugh as I sent them straight to hell. 


If you're trying to prevent rape, I highly reccomend against taking that course of action. :D


Don't mind me, this is a wee bit of off-topic silliness.




:PLolz just saw this and thought the same thing when I first hit submit.

Modifié par greggers1, 27 juin 2012 - 08:29 .


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Synthesis was very well done and way more fleshed out and satisfying than destroy but I just can't swallow it as an actual ending. It was just far too fairy tale happily ever after for it to believable.

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Yeah, I'm in the "Synthesis is dumb" crowd.
Even when they tried to explain it, it doesn't make much sense.

I'm willing to buy Shepard shooting some tubes to kill reapers. They couldn't ask me to buy that Shepard jumps into the magic beam and suddenly, we're all one big happy family.

That's just silly.

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The only thing I don't like about synthesis is that you take away "Free Will." Yes I know its a game, but free will is a fundamental right. Oh hey person in some backwater world yeah you part synthetic now. Those green eyes, yeah devil is in, chaos reigns supreme. My only gripe heh.

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Zeppex wrote...

The only thing I don't like about synthesis is that you take away "Free Will." Yes I know its a game, but free will is a fundamental right. Oh hey person in some backwater world yeah you part synthetic now. Those green eyes, yeah devil is in, chaos reigns supreme. My only gripe heh.


That only shows that you don't understand what Synthesis means, it is not Reaperisation

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Gravbh wrote...

I can see the no diversity and galactic rape view, but I don't understand the space magic complaint.

Element zero defying the laws of physics? Biotics in general? Space magic has always been part of mass effect. Why did it take this long for it to be rage-inducing?


There's a HUGE difference between space magic and element zero and everything that comes from it. Eezo is the only thing that is changed from our current timeline and physical knowledge to get everything that follows it to work.

Eezo is a new element that changes mass when electrical energy is induced. This is the only thing that you have to suspend your disbelief for. If you do that, Biotics are logically explained, as is everything else besides the Space magic of the crucible and especially the Synthesis ending.

Anyway I still choose destroy and the best ending, though now I can see that control isn't the "LOL TIM won" ending that it was before, but a legitimate choice. It's actually pretty badass, Shepard being the galactic guardian in AI form. Synthesis is and always will be an abomination. 

Now that destroy doesn't completely destroy the mass relays, only damage them and the citadel too, IMHO it is the best and, tied with control, the most moral ending. 

But anyway, EC did what the endings should have done in the first place: Give consistend endings with short epilogues for most characters, plus sporn community discussion about which ending was best or why they chose their particular ending.

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Aether McLoud wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

I can see the no diversity and galactic rape view, but I don't understand the space magic complaint.

Element zero defying the laws of physics? Biotics in general? Space magic has always been part of mass effect. Why did it take this long for it to be rage-inducing?


There's a HUGE difference between space magic and element zero and everything that comes from it. Eezo is the only thing that is changed from our current timeline and physical knowledge to get everything that follows it to work.

Eezo is a new element that changes mass when electrical energy is induced. This is the only thing that you have to suspend your disbelief for. If you do that, Biotics are logically explained, as is everything else besides the Space magic of the crucible and especially the Synthesis ending.

Anyway I still choose destroy and the best ending, though now I can see that control isn't the "LOL TIM won" ending that it was before, but a legitimate choice. It's actually pretty badass, Shepard being the galactic guardian in AI form. Synthesis is and always will be an abomination. 

Now that destroy doesn't completely destroy the mass relays, only damage them and the citadel too, IMHO it is the best and, tied with control, the most moral ending. 

But anyway, EC did what the endings should have done in the first place: Give consistend endings with short epilogues for most characters, plus sporn community discussion about which ending was best or why they chose their particular ending.


You only chose destroy because you get to live at the end, pretty selfish considering you had to exterminate an entire race just to save your butt, plus you destroyed the galaxy almost completely and sooner or later the races will rip each other apart for the last scraps of technology

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mcz2345 wrote...

Unlike everything else that is in Mass Effect ? It is a sci-fi epic, it doesn't have to make sense, that is why we play/read/watch these kind of games/books/movies, to experience something unbelievable


Just because it's SciFi doesn't excuse it from not making sense. Every fictional story has to make sense within it's own rules otherwise it is simply badly written, illogical, or rather... senseless.

Eezo isn't unbelievable, and everything that comes from it (Biotics, FTL drives, Mass Relays, etc.) makes sense. Space Magic suddenly altering every being in the Milky way however doesn't.

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You only chose destroy because you get to live at the end, pretty selfish considering you had to exterminate an entire race just to save your butt, plus you destroyed the galaxy almost completely and sooner or later the races will rip each other apart for the last scraps of technology


Um, where the hell did you get the idea that I chose destroy because of Shepard living through it? Don't put words in my mouth.

For me as a player with my Shepard it made the most sense because the Geth were already wiped out(Tali was exiled and I brainwashed the heretics in ME2) so I "only" lost EDI. This was my first Shepard, the one where I played without any outside guides, so I lost Wrex in 1, Miranda and the whole Normandy crew in 2 already. Every war has casulties.

Anyway, I digress: 

We as players have a) omniscience in that we know the consequences of the 3 endings and can compare them, and B) personal preferences for the endings.

Shepard as a character on the other hand doesn't have our omniscience (though he will have preferences depending on backgorund, how you played him, etc.).

The only ending that makes any sense from Shepard's point of view is still control. Why? Because it's the only ending he can trust. The starchild isn't trustworthy at all. Shepard doesn't know if he is Harbinger trying to seduce him, or really a benign being telling the truth.

In Control Shepard could very well end like TIM did and destroy every chance the galaxy had at destroying them.
In Synthesis Shepard dies (that's what jumping into a massive energy beam does to you) and has no way of knowing beforehand that this will really end the reaper threat or do anything besides being suicide at all.

Destroy on the other hand is always trustworthy no matter if the starchild tells the truth or lies. If he tells the truth and all synthetics will be destroyed (no matter if Shepard will live through it or not) and the reaper threat ended. If he lies, neither Shepard nor the Reapers will be destroyed and Shepard can think of another solution because he is still alive.

Both control and synthesis hinge on Starchild telling the truth which Shepard can't be sure of.

Modifié par Aether McLoud, 27 juin 2012 - 11:36 .


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Tankcommander wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Synthesis was always their love child. You know despite raping the entire Universe into becoming cyborgs without their consent and becoming the Reapers little toy. Instead they made it out to be the ultimate ending when really it isn't.


Now, after their redirection, I'd agree with that. But originally, in the leaked endings, there were 5 or 6 destroy endings with varying levels of success (with the Earth being saved, destroyed, etc., and only one with Shepard surviving). There was the Synthesize ending, and the Control ending, and then different failing endings. It was good.

I'm torn with the choices we have now. I abhor having the Reapers live in any shape or form, but space magic prevents me from Destroying them since it would somehow kill EDI and the Geth too. I die regardless of Control or Synthesis. I could live with control if Shepard lived, but since he is magically fried I am fairly certain Synthesis is better. If he lived there would be that positive side, and he could just sent the Reapers into the sun to be fried. Synthesis seems the only decent option still, and it feels wrong to me.


There are different levels of destruction in destroy and control. Depend on EMS

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1 thing I dont get... you just CANT be the same person after being synthesized... I mean, im a dude and just got synthesized... Im suddenly buddy buddy with the reaper who murdered my family and destroyed my planet?

THe only way thats possible would be if they completely changed who I was , otherwisestheres just no way everyone would have no problem chilling with people who just HOURS EARLIER were murdering and destroying everything I ever cared about.

you have been changed into something else with a new personality.

its disgusting

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Synthesis does seem the most ideal ending of the three, which is why I just don't trust it. I loved seeing that everyone, including the geth and quarians, survived and things looked so happy and EDI... Kaidan hugging EDI at the memorial wall brought the flood of tears. But it's all just too good to be true. I just have such a hard time accepting a war with the Reapers could end up in such a perfect way. I keep thinking of the ending of the movie Brazil.

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Vexille wrote...

1 thing I dont get... you just CANT be the same person after being synthesized... I mean, im a dude and just got synthesized... Im suddenly buddy buddy with the reaper who murdered my family and destroyed my planet?

THe only way thats possible would be if they completely changed who I was , otherwisestheres just no way everyone would have no problem chilling with people who just HOURS EARLIER were murdering and destroying everything I ever cared about.

you have been changed into something else with a new personality.

its disgusting

Why do you assume resentment against the Reapers will not exist after Synthesis?
But it would be idiocy to refuse their help if they are offering it when most of the galaxy lies in ruins.

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MisterJB wrote...

Vexille wrote...

1 thing I dont get... you just CANT be the same person after being synthesized... I mean, im a dude and just got synthesized... Im suddenly buddy buddy with the reaper who murdered my family and destroyed my planet?

THe only way thats possible would be if they completely changed who I was , otherwisestheres just no way everyone would have no problem chilling with people who just HOURS EARLIER were murdering and destroying everything I ever cared about.

you have been changed into something else with a new personality.

its disgusting

Why do you assume resentment against the Reapers will not exist after Synthesis?
But it would be idiocy to refuse their help if they are offering it when most of the galaxy lies in ruins.


EDI certainly made it sound like suddenly everyone loves and accepts each other.

I'm sorry but I WOULD NOT acept reaper help... THEY JUST MURDERED BILLIONS OF PEOPLE. There isnt ANYTHING that they could offer that a normal person wouldnt reject.

the synthesis ending is just laughable