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[Helios969]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

Niniva wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ha! The jokes on you. I still picked Destroy.

-High fives- Same here. Destroy is still my preference.

The new control has become a close second to me, though.

This. I tried to give Synthesis a chance, but... I'm sorry, that husk just... creeped me the hell out. Everything about Synthesis creeped me out. I want to believe that it could ascend both Synth and Orgs, but... it just doesn't make any sense at all to me. It really doesn't. 

Yep, genetic rape.  I find it disturbing the writers seem to be pushing you toward this final solution, suggesting this is the ideal ending by making it some idealistic utopia where conflict ceases to exist.  (Nevermind that scientifically-speaking it is laughable.)

[MisterJB]

Vexille wrote...
EDI certainly made it sound like suddenly everyone loves and accepts each other.

Because the point of EC was to be upliftting. Otherwise, people would just rage some more.
It's obvious that people will hate and suspect the Reapers for many years to come.

I'm sorry but I WOULD NOT acept reaper help... THEY JUST MURDERED BILLIONS OF PEOPLE. There isnt ANYTHING that they could offer that a normal person wouldnt reject.

Refusing help that will save lives and rebuild (not to mention improve) your society because of who is offering is a completely illogical decision.
Individuals can afford to act based on emotions. Governments can't.

[kookie28]

Hey, remember when anti-synthesis folk were all like, "OMG EVERYONE IS DA SAME U HTILER !!!!111!!!1"

[Shpoon]

I still think Destroy is numero uno option. You can't ignore the atrocities the Reapers committed. You can't trust synthetics completely.

[Vexille]

MisterJB wrote...

Vexille wrote...
EDI certainly made it sound like suddenly everyone loves and accepts each other.

Because the point of EC was to be upliftting. Otherwise, people would just rage some more.
It's obvious that people will hate and suspect the Reapers for many years to come.

I'm sorry but I WOULD NOT acept reaper help... THEY JUST MURDERED BILLIONS OF PEOPLE. There isnt ANYTHING that they could offer that a normal person wouldnt reject.

Refusing help that will save lives and rebuild (not to mention improve) your society because of who is offering is a completely illogical decision.
Individuals can afford to act based on emotions. Governments can't.

thats nonsense... If a guy broke into your house and murdered your family would you accept his help if he offered to fix the roof?

im sorry but thats just ridiculous...

would the jews have been cool with it if after WW2 hitler came back from the dead and offered to help set up Israel?

[nitefyre410]

humes spork wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ha! The jokes on you. I still picked Destroy.

Joke's on you, too. My Shepard became Space Cthulhu.

Universal Rule of Baldur's Gate: if someone offers you godhood, you say yes.

 


I  find myself agreeing with this... Control out of all them would be the one that I would pick.  Because **** it, If I can't beat the little brat in physical combat I will super side his will with my  own, in the end I still win.  

Though EDI speach durning Synthesis was rather touching... even though she was alive BEFORE that but what ever.... Mac Walters and Casey Hudson  logic...I try not wrap my head around it, I'm too tired to beat the unfortunate implications drum to those two about how that should not be the golden ending.... so Control for me. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 27 juin 2012 - 12:25 .

[MisterJB]

Vexille wrote...
Thats nonsense... If a guy broke into your house and murdered your family would you accept his help if he offered to fix the roof?

im sorry but thats just ridiculous...

would the jews have been cool with it if after WW2 hitler came back from the dead and offered to help set up Israel?

I would accept his help if he offered to improve my country. What will revenge accomplish? Nothing. That doesn't mean I would forgive him.

Godwin's law. But yes, they would have been idiots not to accept help.

[Vexille]

MisterJB wrote...

Vexille wrote...
Thats nonsense... If a guy broke into your house and murdered your family would you accept his help if he offered to fix the roof?

im sorry but thats just ridiculous...

would the jews have been cool with it if after WW2 hitler came back from the dead and offered to help set up Israel?

I would accept his help if he offered to improve my country. What will revenge accomplish? Nothing. That doesn't mean I would forgive him.

Godwin's law. But yes, they would have been idiots not to accept help.

I sincerely doubt that.

[StrawberryRainPop]

OP has a reaper Profile pic. I think he likes being a reaper. Let him be

[Malditor]

People are way too extremist about this. "Genetic rape" and whatnot. Synthesis is a good ending for me but I don't expect everyone to agree or pick it. Destroy has been the goal all along so it makes sense that so many would pick that. Control... I suppose it has merits too but not something I'd care to do. There were a significant number of people who wanted a refuse option even if it meant losing the war and they got it. There was a significant amount of extra information provided for the endings along with the reason why the normandy was flying away from battle and how the crewmembers ended up on board. I understand that there are still people who abhor the fact they could not survive and have the super happy ending, but we all knew that BW was not going to change the endings, just expand on them.

[Zoonz]

Synthesis is fairy dust and rainbows and my little pony and puff the magic dragon all rolled into one, and everyone turns into cartoon robots.

Destroy for me

[Malditor]

Vexille wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Vexille wrote...
Thats nonsense... If a guy broke into your house and murdered your family would you accept his help if he offered to fix the roof?

im sorry but thats just ridiculous...

would the jews have been cool with it if after WW2 hitler came back from the dead and offered to help set up Israel?

I would accept his help if he offered to improve my country. What will revenge accomplish? Nothing. That doesn't mean I would forgive him.

Godwin's law. But yes, they would have been idiots not to accept help.

I sincerely doubt that.

Interestingly, Japan accepted our help to rebuild after we dropped 2 bombs on them.... Iraq accepted our help after we took down Sadam.... Yeah there is no way a society would accept help from those that cause the destruction, right.

[Helios969]

The whole concept of synthesis as the means to promoting galactic unity and fostering a lasting peace is a fallacy unless it rewrites organic/synthetic thought processes to think and believe identically and are linked collectively in the same fashion the Geth were...

Synthesis presumes the only reason for conflict is the inability of organics/synthetics to understand one another.  But conflict arises due to limits of resources also.  Once a population exceeds the needed resources to sustain itself conflict will arise.  Which part of this new utopian society will be sacrificed so the majority can continue to exist?  A schism will develop between those who support sacrificing some for the benefit of the galactic whole and those who desire an alternative to genocide.  As soon as this starts to occur, galactic war will be inevitable.

Then there is the question that comes to my mind regarding this new, perfect form of existence.  Do we now "spread the word" by traveling to other galaxies and "converting" them to this new way to live?  Will we be some other galaxy's version of the Reapers? 

Modifié par Helios969, 27 juin 2012 - 01:07 .

[General User]

Malditor wrote...

Vexille wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Vexille wrote...
Thats nonsense... If a guy broke into your house and murdered your family would you accept his help if he offered to fix the roof?

im sorry but thats just ridiculous...

would the jews have been cool with it if after WW2 hitler came back from the dead and offered to help set up Israel?

I would accept his help if he offered to improve my country. What will revenge accomplish? Nothing. That doesn't mean I would forgive him.

Godwin's law. But yes, they would have been idiots not to accept help.

I sincerely doubt that.

Interestingly, Japan accepted our help to rebuild after we dropped 2 bombs on them.... Iraq accepted our help after we took down Sadam.... Yeah there is no way a society would accept help from those that cause the destruction, right.

ummm... Both Japan and Iraq had to take America's help whether they wanted it or not.  That , in victory, America would rather rebuild her former enemies than extract petty revenge speaks well of America, but I'm not sure how that relates here.

Modifié par General User, 27 juin 2012 - 01:01 .

[Vexille]

Malditor wrote...

Vexille wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Vexille wrote...
Thats nonsense... If a guy broke into your house and murdered your family would you accept his help if he offered to fix the roof?

im sorry but thats just ridiculous...

would the jews have been cool with it if after WW2 hitler came back from the dead and offered to help set up Israel?

I would accept his help if he offered to improve my country. What will revenge accomplish? Nothing. That doesn't mean I would forgive him.

Godwin's law. But yes, they would have been idiots not to accept help.

I sincerely doubt that.

Interestingly, Japan accepted our help to rebuild after we dropped 2 bombs on them.... Iraq accepted our help after we took down Sadam.... Yeah there is no way a society would accept help from those that cause the destruction, right.

they didnt have a choice... we kind of removed their old governments and installed new ones... they COULDNT say no.

a better example would be... would the USA accept the help of Al qaida to rebuild the world trade center?

hint hint... NO

[MisterJB]

Helios969 wrote...

The whole concept of synthesis as the means to promoting galactic unity and fostering a lasting peace is a fallacy unless it rewrites organic/synthetic thought processes to think and believe identically and are linked collectively in the same fashion the Geth were...

Synthesis presumes the only reason for conflict is the inability of organics/synthetics to understand one another.  But conflict arises due to limits of resources also.  Once a population exceeds the needed resources to sustain itself conflict will arise.  Which part of this new utopian society will be sacrificed so the majority can continue to exist?  A schism will develop between those who support sacrificing some for the benefit of the galactic whole and those who desire an alternative to genocide.  As soon as this starts to occur, galactic war will be inevitable.

As EDI, put it, Synthesis allows for the first steps to be taken towards ending conflict between organics and synthetics.
Conflict for resources is not limited to organics and synthetics. It can happen in just about any form of life. Synthesis did not propose to end all sources of conflict, only to eliminate specific attitudes that the Catalyst identified as the most common source of conflict and extinction. That is the inability of organics to match synthetics and the inabiltiy of synthetics to understand organics.
I don't believe an utopian society is created from day to night. it seems that way because Shepard can take actions that promote peace and cooperation amongst the different races.
(I should probrably load a Renegade Shepard and choose Synthesis to see what happens)

Also, the possibility exists that, with acess to the knowledge of the Reapers, many of social ills could be reduced or outright eliminated.

Modifié par MisterJB, 27 juin 2012 - 01:07 .

[Malditor]

Vexille wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Vexille wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Vexille wrote...
Thats nonsense... If a guy broke into your house and murdered your family would you accept his help if he offered to fix the roof?

im sorry but thats just ridiculous...

would the jews have been cool with it if after WW2 hitler came back from the dead and offered to help set up Israel?

I would accept his help if he offered to improve my country. What will revenge accomplish? Nothing. That doesn't mean I would forgive him.

Godwin's law. But yes, they would have been idiots not to accept help.

I sincerely doubt that.

Interestingly, Japan accepted our help to rebuild after we dropped 2 bombs on them.... Iraq accepted our help after we took down Sadam.... Yeah there is no way a society would accept help from those that cause the destruction, right.

they didnt have a choice... we kind of removed their old governments and installed new ones... they COULDNT say no.

a better example would be... would the USA accept the help of Al qaida to rebuild the world trade center?

hint hint... NO

Pretty sure that's not an appropriate example. What happened in game is not an act of terrorism, but if you want to put it on the same level as that then you have a different view of what happened in the game and there is no point in discussing it with you.

[Cyruge]

Synthesis is still as implausible and ridiculous as before. However, I do think that it was from an emotional perspective very successful. I did choke up a bit when EDI basically describes and shows how everyone/everything become best friends.

[General User]

Cyruge wrote...

Synthesis is still as implausible and ridiculous as before. However, I do think that it was from an emotional perspective very successful. I did choke up a bit when EDI basically describes and shows how everyone/everything become best friends.

Was that with tears or laughter?

[Vexille]

Malditor wrote...

Vexille wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Vexille wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Vexille wrote...
Thats nonsense... If a guy broke into your house and murdered your family would you accept his help if he offered to fix the roof?

im sorry but thats just ridiculous...

would the jews have been cool with it if after WW2 hitler came back from the dead and offered to help set up Israel?

I would accept his help if he offered to improve my country. What will revenge accomplish? Nothing. That doesn't mean I would forgive him.

Godwin's law. But yes, they would have been idiots not to accept help.

I sincerely doubt that.

Interestingly, Japan accepted our help to rebuild after we dropped 2 bombs on them.... Iraq accepted our help after we took down Sadam.... Yeah there is no way a society would accept help from those that cause the destruction, right.

they didnt have a choice... we kind of removed their old governments and installed new ones... they COULDNT say no.

a better example would be... would the USA accept the help of Al qaida to rebuild the world trade center?

hint hint... NO

Pretty sure that's not an appropriate example. What happened in game is not an act of terrorism, but if you want to put it on the same level as that then you have a different view of what happened in the game and there is no point in discussing it with you.

im sorry... you dont think what the reapers are doing is terrorism? You are right... its FAR FAR worse. Which is my point, nobody would just suddenly "forgive" the reapers after they murdered trillions upon trillions and destroyed civilizations.

[Malditor]

General User wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Vexille wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Vexille wrote...
Thats nonsense... If a guy broke into your house and murdered your family would you accept his help if he offered to fix the roof?

im sorry but thats just ridiculous...

would the jews have been cool with it if after WW2 hitler came back from the dead and offered to help set up Israel?

I would accept his help if he offered to improve my country. What will revenge accomplish? Nothing. That doesn't mean I would forgive him.

Godwin's law. But yes, they would have been idiots not to accept help.

I sincerely doubt that.

Interestingly, Japan accepted our help to rebuild after we dropped 2 bombs on them.... Iraq accepted our help after we took down Sadam.... Yeah there is no way a society would accept help from those that cause the destruction, right.

ummm... Both Japan and Iraq had to take America's help whether they wanted it or not.  That , in victory, America would rather rebuild her former enemies than extract petty revenge speaks well of America, but I'm not sure how that relates here.

Technically in the game you couldn't refuse the help either, however it also wouldn't have made sense to. After the "event" the Reapers ceased to be an aggressor and everyone suddenly had knowledge of who/what/why of them and them of everyone else. I accept the fact not everyone would be able to agree/understand this happening though. Difference is I don't call them ignorant or any other names because they don't like the ending. People seem to think it's ok to criticize others for the endings they chose, which is not right.

[Vexille]

Malditor wrote...

General User wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Vexille wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Vexille wrote...
Thats nonsense... If a guy broke into your house and murdered your family would you accept his help if he offered to fix the roof?

im sorry but thats just ridiculous...

would the jews have been cool with it if after WW2 hitler came back from the dead and offered to help set up Israel?

I would accept his help if he offered to improve my country. What will revenge accomplish? Nothing. That doesn't mean I would forgive him.

Godwin's law. But yes, they would have been idiots not to accept help.

I sincerely doubt that.

Interestingly, Japan accepted our help to rebuild after we dropped 2 bombs on them.... Iraq accepted our help after we took down Sadam.... Yeah there is no way a society would accept help from those that cause the destruction, right.

ummm... Both Japan and Iraq had to take America's help whether they wanted it or not.  That , in victory, America would rather rebuild her former enemies than extract petty revenge speaks well of America, but I'm not sure how that relates here.

Technically in the game you couldn't refuse the help either, however it also wouldn't have made sense to. After the "event" the Reapers ceased to be an aggressor and everyone suddenly had knowledge of who/what/why of them and them of everyone else. I accept the fact not everyone would be able to agree/understand this happening though. Difference is I don't call them ignorant or any other names because they don't like the ending. People seem to think it's ok to criticize others for the endings they chose, which is not right.

because it is ok to do so

[Malditor]

Vexille wrote...

Malditor wrote...


Technically in the game you couldn't refuse the help either, however it also wouldn't have made sense to. After the "event" the Reapers ceased to be an aggressor and everyone suddenly had knowledge of who/what/why of them and them of everyone else. I accept the fact not everyone would be able to agree/understand this happening though. Difference is I don't call them ignorant or any other names because they don't like the ending. People seem to think it's ok to criticize others for the endings they chose, which is not right.

because it is ok to do so

Someone ok, depending on how it's done. Disagreeing is one thing, calling someone stupid or other such criticisms is not. One person's choice for the ending is no more right or wrong than anyone elses, and it is not ok to tell them they are wrong for their choice.

[Oransel]

Synthesis = Project Overlord. So beautiful, isn't it?

[Malditor]

Oransel wrote...

Synthesis = Project Overlord. So beautiful, isn't it?

Not even close really.