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[tanerb]

enderandrew wrote...

Few87 wrote...

Dont get the witcher, its an awfull game. Now mass effect, that is a fantastic game you can play while having a break from DA

I have been sitting on Mass Effect for some time. I loved both Kotor and DA. I expected to love Mass Effect.

So far, it is a shooter that you pause, removing the skill of being a shooter, but it lacks the story I expect from a Bioware RPG. I got all my companions very early, except there is no dialogue with any of them. I don't know them. There are no storylines for them. Sidequests are exceedingly simple and straight forward. The whole game is a massive disappointment so far.

Oh, and the textures look pretty terrible.

totally agree. mass effect is the most overrated game i have ever played. 

[bjdbwea]

There is dialogue with the companions, and the textures are very obviously better than those in DA. Maybe your game is broken.

[enderandrew]

When I select a companion to speak to them, they utter a single line.



Overall, there seems to be far less dialogue in this game than any other Bioware game I've ever played.

[rmp]

You have to talk to them on your ship.

[bjdbwea]

You can only talk on board of the ship, and new dialogue will appear based on your progress in the story. So check back with them. I for one very much prefer this system to the DA approach, where you can just keep bugging your companions and more or less experience all their dialogue at once.

There may seem to be less dialogue, but it's only the number of dialogue choices you have that makes it seem so. But in ME, most of the choices really lead to different answers, whereas in DA you so often get the same reply. ME has in fact more replayability in that regard.

(Off topic, I know, but I had to defend my favourite 3D game.)

[enderandrew]

Have you looked at the gun textures specifically? Often the camera is right up on Shepard's back, with a close-up view of those textures. Many armor textures are pretty bad as well, and don't get me started on the face textures.



I finished the first round of quests on the Citadel, went on the ship, and then to my first planet. Dialogue is still EXTREMELY lacking.

[JabberJaww]

Please.. Mass Effect is a great game. The Main story is fantastic and fun. The only drawback is the unexplored Planet stuff. Turn off the movie texture option and the blurr effect and the game looks beautiful.



The Witcher was ok... but it didnt hook me in.. i never finished it.

[bjdbwea]

So what if some textures aren't as good as in some FPS (and I found nothing wrong with the weapons or armor)? The question was, are they on par or better than DA. I didn't think anyone would honestly deny that to be the case.

[enderandrew]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

enderandrew wrote...

Have you looked at the gun textures specifically? Often the camera is right up on Shepard's back, with a close-up view of those textures. Many armor textures are pretty bad as well, and don't get me started on the face textures.

I finished the first round of quests on the Citadel, went on the ship, and then to my first planet. Dialogue is still EXTREMELY lacking.

OK so you've played 20% of the game?

Any opinion you give on ME now holds less meaning than it ever did before.

Most professional reviews are based on less than 10 hours of gameplay. You're saying I can't formulate an opinion on 10 hours of gameplay?

10 hours in, and the story is boring to non-existent. The companions are bland and blend into the background. The gameplay concept is nice, but I find both the actual controls (holding a button, to in turn then use akward button-combinations in conjunction with the mouse for tactics) to be poor indeed. The FPS challenge is taken away by pausing, moving the mouse, aiming, and then unpausing.

As an RPG, the mechanics are pretty simplistic to boot.

Surely, if I say I liked DA and KOTOR, then I must be a troll. It can't possibly be that MA is a massive disappointment.

10 hours into the game and the story is extremely boring, and practically non-existent. That is inexcusable.

Modifié par enderandrew, 14 décembre 2009 - 09:38 .

[screwoffreg]

Like some have said The Witcher and DA are VERY different RPG experiences. Personally, I didn't find the characters in the Witcher very compelling, but I did find the story more original overall than DA. The combat can be boring though and there are a few places (the swamps) that absolutely draaaaaag. Overall both are good games and worth a purchase. Definately better than most "flat" or uninteresting RPG's out there.

[gotthammer]

The Witcher was a very good game, IMHO. I particularly liked the atmosphere (e.g., the sewers and crypts, Kaer Morhen, etc.), something I feel that DA:O didn't do too well in.

I liked the gameplay for the Witcher: it's relatively simple, but still fun. I think the animations were better than DA:O's, too. (that or I just like Geralt's swordplay )

Don't get me wrong, tho', I love DA:O (esp. the characters, dialogue, and story), but it could be better. I agree w/ a poster above that comparing DA:O to The Witcher as it is may be a bit unfair, but that doesn't change the fact that, for me, both are very good games.

[deadrockstar]

The Witcher is features one of the best-realised stories to ever appear in a game. The easiest way I could describe it would be DA:O stripped of it's shiny North-American mass appeal and Hollywood tactics. It is very, very similar to DA:O and worlds apart at the same time. The Witcher is grittier, more grown-up and intelligent.

It is based on a series of novels by Polish writer Andrzej Sapowski, who was heavily involved in the games own writing. I don't know this author and haven't read any of his books, but The Witcher stands heads and shoulders above the standard of writing normally found in generic fantasy games. There are some massive issues which, in the context of the world they take place in, have no clear right way to resolve. Imagine 1984 (or any other top piece of literature in the dystopic genre) as a video game and you'd not be far wrong.

The gameplay isn't bad like some say. It is primarily hack 'n' slash, but it isn't boring. There are a wealth of ways to spec Geralt (the PC character) and lots of tactics that can be employed. What it isn't is an in-depth RTS game, the combat is little more than a mechanism to drive the story on - the combat animations and moves are beautifully rendered though, and it can be very satisfying (if not exactly challenging) to plow your way through hordes of enemies. This is coming from someone who detests the mother of all hack 'n' slash RPGs, Diablo.

Short answer: get it. Just don't expect it to be a stopgap if you enjoy any sort of immersion in a fantasy world it'll end up being far more than that. If you're a bit of a thinker, you should enjoy this game far more than DA:O.

Modifié par deadrockstar, 14 décembre 2009 - 09:58 .

[wonko33]

http://social.biowar.../9/index/370517



about 8 pages about the same topic

[Revik]

I unfortunately couldn't play the Witcher due to motion sickness induced headaches it would cause me. A shame really I did want to play it.

I would, however, recommend you either play NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer if you have not or Vampire Masquerade: Bloodlines. Both excellent games. NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer had probably one of the best stories I have ever played. Vampire had a decent story but the characters you can play with made the game vastly different plus the haunted house part was probably one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had in gaming.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I love DAO.



I hated the Witcher.



Mass Effect is not an RPG. It's a passably good adventure game with a passably good story.

[Martin E]

I found The Witcher to be visually superior to DA - the way they used radiosity and lightmapping produced some quite breathtaking environments - particularly dawn/dusk transitions.



Combat was more limited, and obviously you are tied to one particular character.



The weakest part of TW was exploration, and having to trapse around quite large levels back and forth during quests.



Characterisation, I felt, was very good along with the main plot.



Ultimately it is a very different game from NWN1/2 and DA - but not without it's charm.



If you enjoyed DA, I would say try The Witcher.

[MANoob]

Withcher has a good gameworld/story but thats it. And it owes it to Sapkovsky, not much original content there. 7/10



DAO tries to be.'dark fantasy' but utterly fails at it. However the gameplay is much better. Combat system isn't that great tbh (just sucks when compared to D&D) but its definitely better than in Witcher. 7/10



I wouldnt call ME an RPG because it doesnt really have a decent character building and the story is simply horrible, its even more stupid than in an average Holywood blockbuster. 5/10

[CBGB]

Ah, these are great opinions to read. I've been on-the-fence about trying the Witcher, and this makes me more interested. Yes, every game is different, but this Thread is a good example of why comparisons can be helpful.



Fans of the Witcher like its atmosphere, but I'm not necessarily drawn to a grim setting, so I haven't purchased it.



But emphasis on story matters to me immensely, and now the Witcher sounds especially appealing.



Since I have no complaints about the writing in DAO, which I find smart and satisfying, I'm wary when I read that the Witcher is "DA:O stripped of it's (sic) shiny North-American mass appeal," but I'm glad that many people here liked both. Maybe I will, too.

[deadrockstar]

If the story drives you, then I'm sure you will.

[Dex1701]

The story and character role-playing in The Witcher are great.  As has been said, the combat gets boring pretty quickly, and the character development system is pretty shallow.  It's a good game with a cool story, though, so it's worth playing.  I didn't find it to be as addictive as DA:O, though, because I love the tactical combat.

Maconbar wrote...

I liked the Witcher. Make sure to get the re-release, apparently has better VO and is much less buggy.

If you have the original version you can download the Enhanced Edition upgrade for free.

Twotricks wrote...

Witcher = Much better story. Decisions
that really and actually affect how the story develops in drastic ways.
Much better game world. Same quality graphics. Much more adult themed

Dragon Age = Much better combat system

With some tweaking (like 4Aces texture mods and forcing AA and AF) Dragon Age has MUCH better graphics than The Witcher.

[Martin E]

Dex1701 wrote...
Dragon Age has MUCH better graphics than The Witcher.

Depends what you mean by 'graphics' - I personally felt TW  has some really outstanding environmental model design and textural art, and because of the way they chose to light the game, some fantastic settings.

TW feel is more realistic, less 'high fantasy' in look and appearance - it ticked many of my boxes because of my fascination with medieval architecture, and a particularly slavic feel. You just have to compare the castle designs of Redcliff and Kaer Kagen (can't remember name - that is from the depths of my often failing memory)

DA has gone for a more generic fantasy style, whilst TW defintiely has a darker richer feel.

So - for me - graphics = the whole bundle, and TW takes some beating. In places DA does achieve that, but stylistically TW is the more 'rooted' setting.

DA:O follows the Bioware design ethos - creating a world that has been less influenced by any particular historic settings.

Anyways, I would recommend trying The Witcher out - you've not really got much to lose

Martin

[casadechrisso]

And it's not so hard to beat a 3 years older game in the graphics department. However, I think The Witcher's artwork is outstanding, even the load screens are stunning. The love for detail in the Witcher set an example anyway, you could just stand around for minutes watching the world and it never got boring. DA can not compete there, not at all. It has other highlights, but world design was never Bioware's strenght.