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[Pinkleaf]

I had a quick play of witcher.



The witcher (wolf) is extremely ugly and his voice is sooo very annoying, I hate the character your forced to play.

The video scenes are very amateur and robotic, I don't really have a lot good to say of this game.



Where as........



DAO is one in a million, a epic story along with great game play.

[Haplose]

SheffSteel wrote...

ct1615 wrote...

Fable
head and shoulders above
the witcher

Nice one

Yeah, that one was a good laugh.

Anyway, IMVHO Witcher is a very good game. Perhaps not as epic as DAO, but at the same time far more original.
Also much of the dialogu is very gritty and realistic (shady people don't speak like master orators in the Witcher... a very welcome change).

I for one enjoyed the combat throughout the game. Timing the mouseclicks added to the immersion for me and was much more interesting (in a single character scenario) then click once to target and wait till enemy dies. You actually participate in the combat with these mouseclicks. Especially the group stance (aoe) was very fun, if maybe a bit overpowered when you were fighting multiple enemies (effectivness scaled with number of opponents you are engaging... if there are several you suddenly start to get a lot of decapitations due to Precise Strike). That being said, I also quite enjoyed the active combat system of Gothics/Risen, which was quite a bit more demanding.
Alchemy - potions, bombs are actually very usefull and fun. Often also atmospheric - like the cateye one that lets you see in the darkness.
The signs (spells) are usefull and fine, Witcher is not a full caster class, has very limited access to magic so it's fine as it is (the explanation behind it is that Witchers developed signs to help them in combat, as quick one-handed focus gestures, as they are a fighting class that has neither the time nor the concentration to chant and weave more intricate spells in the middle of a deadly combat).

Overall the mechanics can feel a bit awkward at times (why can't I ever hit an "agile" enemy with the strong stance, or I barely even scratch "strong" opponents with the fast style - especially if both types of opponents are humans that are only differentiated by the fact that one carries an axe and the other one wields a dagger and (maybe) dresses slighlty different... or not).
But in the end it works well enough and provides a lot of entertainment. Oh and a very noticable, rewarding feel of progression as the character gains experience.

Ah yes, darkness... and overall lighting and shadows... night and day.... simply amazing. DAO has some graphic elements done better, but in the lighting department is lightyears behind the Witcher.

The story... it's not bad, but a bit uneven and can feel a bit disjointed at times.
At least some parts of it are extremly atmospheric though.
I especially loved Act I, even though the graphics is definately at it's worst there (simply because a dirty, gritty village will not look nice). But the atmosphere in Act I was almost... dense. I also very much liked the change of pace and beautifull settings of Act IV. I kinda disliked the veeery long Act II though. Running between house A, B and C for many hours got old after a while. So I welcomed the change when I could finally get out to the swamps/sewers/cementary for some hack&slash action. Act III was a bit shorter and felt more coherent, so was ok.


Certainly the Witcher is worth giving a try. Seems to polarize people a lot, as most seem to either hate it or love it.

[Shard of Truth]

In my opinion The Witcher is the far superior game. Better storyline, choices that actually change something and a world, which can be explored (e.g. you can walk in the swamp, something that is not possible in DA:O and killed the atmosphere for me).
The overall design is much darker, not the "there-is-blood-all-over-the-place-so-it-must-be-dark-fantasy"-dark like in DA:O.

The combat system is completely different, I can't say which I prefer.

Modifié par Shard of Truth, 17 décembre 2009 - 09:14 .

[Nagiloum]

Pinkleaf wrote...




I had a quick play of witcher.

The witcher (wolf) is extremely ugly and his voice is sooo very annoying, I hate the character your forced to play.
The video scenes are very amateur and robotic, I don't really have a lot good to say of this game.

Where as........

DAO is one in a million, a epic story along with great game play.

Yeah... it's an one in a million fail!

Of cause is Gerald an ugly Bastard, he is a fighter! He fights the worst scumbags, monsters and even great Cthulhu's Avatar Dagon.  He is a most lovingly character, with him you can gamble, hit the booze very hard, get some good old bare-knuckle barfight and get laid with some very hot chicks!  In fact, he is quite as cool as the Gothic Dude! Whereby the Animations in the video scene seems to originate from Gothic... 2
Atari did a great job in fixing this and given some free content. The Devs got really into the wishes of fans, not only to run it stable, but to improve some very annoying details.

Like this son of a **** Game Oblivion, where it took six or seven Patches and the equal amount of fan-made Patches, it's a good Game.

If it will only come this far with DA:O... i really love the Ideas, setting and most of the characters (like most of bioware) and i couldn't care less about e few muzzy textures. I long too play it further, but bloody hell how i dread it... for all its flaws and bugs. I think it would really help to keep us at leaste up to date, instead of pushing out new overpriced dlc.

Under the line:
If you enjoy beautiful looking Games, with a straight forward Gameplay, slippery jokes and harsh language. You will have a lot of fun with the Witcher.

[Jonfon_ire]

Basically I agree with Haplose on most of his points. Pretty much exactly what I think of The Witcher as well. Act II is a bit all over the place alright. It gets rather tedious running around repeatedly, they could have tightened it up a lot.



The getting laid scenes in The Witcher are ridiculously silly though. Basically imagine yourself as Zevran and you're pretty much there in terms of how they tend to go (no man on man action though, Geralt is too butch for all that despite the fact he looks like an Elf / 80s pop star).



The weather & time systems in the Witcher are great too, something I sorely miss from Dragon Age.

[Gracchio]

IckyLicks wrote...

JaffieDog wrote...

I'm loving DAO. I'm looking for something after my first playthrough. I went back and restarted a new mage after being about 1/2 way through the story line and missing the unlock for blood mage and Arcane Warrior. It's still fun but I am looking forward to getting to the point where I'm not repeating the content.

Point being, I'd like to take a break from DAO after I finish it. I'd like some time to pass before I play through the content again even as a different class.

So is the Witcher as a temporary replacement for DAO?

JD

I know I'm asking a stupid question but does it have to be an RPG replacement?  I've never played the witcher but I really liked Star Wars: Force Unleashed.  The story for that is really good and it's fun.  Some complaints was that it was repetitive or got old fast but it wasn't for me. 

Mass Effect is another good game.

I heard Demon Souls was a REALLY good game so you might wanna check that out

The force unleashed is one of the biggest insults to the starwars universe to date.
The darth vader mission was pretty sweet but seriously, the apprentice?

A sith lord, more powerfull then darth vader but he's a complete sissy. Making womenly moaning noises all the time. Ironically he spends most of his time on his back too because of the unbelievably crappy non-flowing combat system. My god, that game made me rage hard, only played it for the story.

And the story is utter crap aswell as it turns out.

[Sam -stone- serious]

Shard of Truth wrote...

In my opinion The Witcher is the far superior game. Better storyline, choices that actually change something and a world, which can be explored (e.g. you can walk in the swamp, something that is not possible in DA:O and killed the atmosphere for me).
The overall design is much darker, not the "there-is-blood-all-over-the-place-so-it-must-be-dark-fantasy"-dark like in DA:O.

The combat system is completely different, I can't say which I prefer.

The bolted part is the very main reasons that killed DAO for me.The rest of DAOs faults and flaws only added to the considerable dissapointment i felt because of those 3 major problems. 

In the end i feel that Witcher is the better game. The only real reason that i can accept someone will not like the Witcher is the combat system which is a love it/ hate it scenario. If you hate the combat then chances are you will not tolerate it enough to play the rest of the game.

[Zenon]

Played the demo of "The Witcher". Big download, but no problem. I guess the demo is based on the non EE-version. I liked it, but especially fighting was quite a difference to DA:O. Felt even a warrior on WoW at level 20 (out of 80 possible levels) has more fighting skills than the Witcher.



Apart from that I found it interesting. The voice is surely a matter of taste. Sometimes I feel like having a déja-vu as if someone transferred the ultracool Duke Nuk'em into a fantasy world.



Still, it should be fun, once a shop nearby has the EE of The Witcher on stock again.

[mmu1]

If you don't like the voice acting in the Witcher, set it to play the Polish audio track with English subtitles... The original voice acting is (unsurprisingly) the best of the lot, and things that would sound lame in your native language always sound mysterious and exotic when translated into a foreign one.

[rabbitchannel]

The Witcher seemed good at first but I got tired really quickly. I only got to the point where I entered the city and then I never played it again. DA:O, on the other hand, well, I'm on my 3rd playthrough.

[rabbitchannel]

Gracchio wrote...

IckyLicks wrote...

JaffieDog wrote...

I'm loving DAO. I'm looking for something after my first playthrough. I went back and restarted a new mage after being about 1/2 way through the story line and missing the unlock for blood mage and Arcane Warrior. It's still fun but I am looking forward to getting to the point where I'm not repeating the content.

Point being, I'd like to take a break from DAO after I finish it. I'd like some time to pass before I play through the content again even as a different class.

So is the Witcher as a temporary replacement for DAO?

JD

I know I'm asking a stupid question but does it have to be an RPG replacement?  I've never played the witcher but I really liked Star Wars: Force Unleashed.  The story for that is really good and it's fun.  Some complaints was that it was repetitive or got old fast but it wasn't for me. 

Mass Effect is another good game.

I heard Demon Souls was a REALLY good game so you might wanna check that out

The force unleashed is one of the biggest insults to the starwars universe to date.
The darth vader mission was pretty sweet but seriously, the apprentice?

A sith lord, more powerfull then darth vader but he's a complete sissy. Making womenly moaning noises all the time. Ironically he spends most of his time on his back too because of the unbelievably crappy non-flowing combat system. My god, that game made me rage hard, only played it for the story.

And the story is utter crap aswell as it turns out.

Oh no, I just bought the Ultimate Sith Edition for PC! Eh, I think my Starwars fanboy-ism will be able to carry me through as it always does. 

[Lycidas]

What killed the Withcher for me was the fact that I never felt attached to the PC in any way. And the boring skill / combat system.

[ct1615]

Haplose wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...

ct1615 wrote...

Fable
head and shoulders above
the witcher

Nice one

Yeah, that one was a good laugh.

Anyway, IMVHO Witcher is a very good game. Perhaps not as epic as DAO, but at the same time far more original.
Also much of the dialogu is very gritty and realistic (shady people don't speak like master orators in the Witcher... a very welcome change).

I for one enjoyed the combat throughout the game. Timing the mouseclicks added to the immersion for me and was much more interesting (in a single character scenario) then click once to target and wait till enemy dies. You actually participate in the combat with these mouseclicks. Especially the group stance (aoe) was very fun, if maybe a bit overpowered when you were fighting multiple enemies (effectivness scaled with number of opponents you are engaging... if there are several you suddenly start to get a lot of decapitations due to Precise Strike). That being said, I also quite enjoyed the active combat system of Gothics/Risen, which was quite a bit more demanding.
Alchemy - potions, bombs are actually very usefull and fun. Often also atmospheric - like the cateye one that lets you see in the darkness.
The signs (spells) are usefull and fine, Witcher is not a full caster class, has very limited access to magic so it's fine as it is (the explanation behind it is that Witchers developed signs to help them in combat, as quick one-handed focus gestures, as they are a fighting class that has neither the time nor the concentration to chant and weave more intricate spells in the middle of a deadly combat).

Overall the mechanics can feel a bit awkward at times (why can't I ever hit an "agile" enemy with the strong stance, or I barely even scratch "strong" opponents with the fast style - especially if both types of opponents are humans that are only differentiated by the fact that one carries an axe and the other one wields a dagger and (maybe) dresses slighlty different... or not).
But in the end it works well enough and provides a lot of entertainment. Oh and a very noticable, rewarding feel of progression as the character gains experience.

Ah yes, darkness... and overall lighting and shadows... night and day.... simply amazing. DAO has some graphic elements done better, but in the lighting department is lightyears behind the Witcher.

The story... it's not bad, but a bit uneven and can feel a bit disjointed at times.
At least some parts of it are extremly atmospheric though.
I especially loved Act I, even though the graphics is definately at it's worst there (simply because a dirty, gritty village will not look nice). But the atmosphere in Act I was almost... dense. I also very much liked the change of pace and beautifull settings of Act IV. I kinda disliked the veeery long Act II though. Running between house A, B and C for many hours got old after a while. So I welcomed the change when I could finally get out to the swamps/sewers/cementary for some hack&slash action. Act III was a bit shorter and felt more coherent, so was ok.


Certainly the Witcher is worth giving a try. Seems to polarize people a lot, as most seem to either hate it or love it.

yea too bad every gaming sight rated it higher then the witcher and you see plenty of people here stating how much the witcher sucks

but hey I understand it, you like being the hunch-back from the rocky horror picture show and you can't have sex with a women in real life (without paying her) so you need to do it in a video game...I totally understand why people would like the game based on that....:innocent:

[casadechrisso]

ct1615 wrote...


yea too bad every gaming sight rated it higher then the witcher and you see plenty of people here stating how much the witcher sucks

but hey I understand it, you like being the hunch-back from the rocky horror picture show and you can't have sex with a women in real life (without paying her) so you need to do it in a video game...I totally understand why people would like the game based on that....:innocent:

First: Dragon Age is an AAA game published by EA, I have no doubt such a title always gets a better review score from established magazines than an east-european debut game. However, at least over here in my country the Witcher got very good reviews and is considered a must-have RPG.

Second: Plenty of people here also say that the Witcher is a great game. Love it or hate it, it seems, however, the "Witcher sucks" voices are in no way a majority, it's much more like the usual amount of fanboys who immediately call you a troll if you dare to point at a bug in DA.

Third: Have you played Dragon Age yet? Have you noticed that a high percentage of this game deals with romances that take a lot more game time than the romances in the Witcher? Have you noticed you have 4 standard romance options, can have multiple romances at once, can have lesbian and gay romances, have up to a foursome at the bordello (where you can get prostitutes of all colours too)? Excuse me, but following your logic, DA is all about sex and seems to be the ideal choice for a lonely nerd.

[SheffSteel]

Fourth: Quit insulting people gratuitously. The nearest I came to insulting you was stating that your post was a joke.
Fifth: It's fascinating that you use review scores to play up the quality of Fable, yet use forum posters as justification for saying The Witcher is bad... yet the Witcher didn't get poor reviews, and in my experience forum posters have offered very sound criticism of Fable as an RPG. It's more of a collection of farting and dancing minigames with some remarkably easy auto-combat thrown in.

Modifié par SheffSteel, 17 décembre 2009 - 06:56 .

[ct1615]

casadechrisso wrote...

ct1615 wrote...


yea too bad every gaming sight rated it higher then the witcher and you see plenty of people here stating how much the witcher sucks

but hey I understand it, you like being the hunch-back from the rocky horror picture show and you can't have sex with a women in real life (without paying her) so you need to do it in a video game...I totally understand why people would like the game based on that....:innocent:

First: Dragon Age is an AAA game published by EA, I have no doubt such a title always gets a better review score from established magazines than an east-european debut game. However, at least over here in my country the Witcher got very good reviews and is considered a must-have RPG.

Second: Plenty of people here also say that the Witcher is a great game. Love it or hate it, it seems, however, the "Witcher sucks" voices are in no way a majority, it's much more like the usual amount of fanboys who immediately call you a troll if you dare to point at a bug in DA.

Third: Have you played Dragon Age yet? Have you noticed that a high percentage of this game deals with romances that take a lot more game time than the romances in the Witcher? Have you noticed you have 4 standard romance options, can have multiple romances at once, can have lesbian and gay romances, have up to a foursome at the bordello (where you can get prostitutes of all colours too)? Excuse me, but following your logic, DA is all about sex and seems to be the ideal choice for a lonely nerd.

what the hell are you talking about, i never compared DA with witcher...

[ct1615]

SheffSteel wrote...

Fourth: Quit insulting people gratuitously. The nearest I came to insulting you was stating that your post was a joke.
Fifth: It's fascinating that you use review scores to play up the quality of Fable, yet use forum posters as justification for saying The Witcher is bad... yet the Witcher didn't get poor reviews, and in my experience forum posters have offered very sound criticism of Fable as an RPG. It's more of a collection of farting and dancing minigames with some remarkably easy auto-combat thrown in.

never said Fable was a great game...just better then that abortion of a game called the witcher...but hey if you like it...i stated before I totally understand why and enjoy playing its aspects all you want..

*edit; if you find the truth insulting...well the truth often does hurt

Modifié par ct1615, 17 décembre 2009 - 07:09 .

[ITSSEXYTIME]

The Witcher has a darker story and a better realized world, but Dragon Age has far more replayability due to more ways to play the game (3 classes with drastically different talent trees, while the witcher is always really the same with minor differences)  Both games are great, but which one you like depends on whether or not you want the better story or gameplay first. (I'd recommend playing both if you love RPGs) 

[casadechrisso]

ct1615 wrote...

what the hell are you talking about, i never compared DA with witcher...

I admit I didn't realize we are at comparing Fable to the Witcher now. That doesn't change what I wrote in my post though, just presume that I have taken the freedom to go back to the original comparison.

[SheffSteel]

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[casadechrisso]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

The Witcher has a darker story and a better realized world, but Dragon Age has far more replayability due to more ways to play the game (3 classes with drastically different talent trees, while the witcher is always really the same with minor differences)  Both games are great, but which one you like depends on whether or not you want the better story or gameplay first. (I'd recommend playing both if you love RPGs) 

I disagree here, I think the Witcher's storyline is even more complex and has more options than Dragon Age's, if you don't count in the Origins, which are basically just 6 different starts for the same storyline.
DA gives you some decisions during the storyline and the Witcher does, but I have the feeling that the Witcher does it better for two reasons: The changes to the storyline are more drastic, and the decissions are even harder because there's no real way to tell which is the "good", the "evil" or the "logical" way. DA surprises a little at two different points, that's the Landsmeet and Orzammar ( don't want to get spoilerish now). The other decisions are pretty much straightforward for the player, the outcomes of your decisions are mostly foreseeable and not too surprising.
In the Witcher, there are many decisions where you absolutely can't tell what is right and what is wrong, take helping vs. not helping the elves as an example for influencing things that come much later in the game. TW surprised me more often by turning my expectations upside down and showing me what trouble my goodie-shoes decision just stirred up.
DA on the other hand, there is an obvious replay value, otherwise I wouldn't be on my 3rd playthrough now, but it's getting quite repetitive now. If I wanted to play the game totally different than before, I'd need to change my playing style and go again for a more "stupid evil" attitude like in most Bioware and D&D games. If I want a drastic change, I take a drastic dialogue option only for seeing the difference. In the Witcher, you have the option not to change your playing style at all, you can play the "good Geralt" as you did before and it doesn't feel wrong to take that other option now, because none of them are obviously black and white. On my second playthrough, the storyline of the Witcher took much different and new ways and I saw a lot of new things even though I pretty much played the same Geralt as in my first game.

[deadrockstar]

casadechrisso wrote...

I disagree here, I think the Witcher's storyline is even more complex and has more options than Dragon Age's, if you don't count in the Origins, which are basically just 6 different starts for the same storyline.
DA gives you some decisions during the storyline and the Witcher does, but I have the feeling that the Witcher does it better for two reasons: The changes to the storyline are more drastic, and the decissions are even harder because there's no real way to tell which is the "good", the "evil" or the "logical" way. DA surprises a little at two different points, that's the Landsmeet and Orzammar ( don't want to get spoilerish now). The other decisions are pretty much straightforward for the player, the outcomes of your decisions are mostly foreseeable and not too surprising.
In the Witcher, there are many decisions where you absolutely can't tell what is right and what is wrong, take helping vs. not helping the elves as an example for influencing things that come much later in the game. TW surprised me more often by turning my expectations upside down and showing me what trouble my goodie-shoes decision just stirred up.
DA on the other hand, there is an obvious replay value, otherwise I wouldn't be on my 3rd playthrough now, but it's getting quite repetitive now. If I wanted to play the game totally different than before, I'd need to change my playing style and go again for a more "stupid evil" attitude like in most Bioware and D&D games. If I want a drastic change, I take a drastic dialogue option only for seeing the difference. In the Witcher, you have the option not to change your playing style at all, you can play the "good Geralt" as you did before and it doesn't feel wrong to take that other option now, because none of them are obviously black and white. On my second playthrough, the storyline of the Witcher took much different and new ways and I saw a lot of new things even though I pretty much played the same Geralt as in my first game.

I have to agree completely. Of course, The Witcher has the strength of relying on a pre-realised character that you simply play. The choices you are given are not only character-defining ones - they're far subtler than that. In my opinion, that's a better way to tell a story through a RP'ing game. It's very satisfying to play a character that has choices forced on them rather than making x/y/z choice because your character is supposed to be a/b/c. That's why the world is richer (for me) - it affects you, not the other way around. I just can't bring myself to take a different route in DA:O because I feel the choices are lacking somewhat. Rather than offering visibly different ways to resolve conflict, it seems to favour an "it's all in my head" approach. Even the big decisions (which I won't get into lest I let a few spoilers loose) result in pretty much the same endgame.

Not dumping on DA:O. I played it obsessively, ran through all the origins and now I'm up to my neck in modding it.

[mondotomhead]

I just love the Witcher. Yes, you can't change the characture but I wouldn't want to - he is "smokin"!



I liked how the game was mouse driven only. No using keys to move him around and there is no pausing during fights to regroup. You have to be ready and hope you don't get killed. Beautiful graphics and the music is incredible. (You get a CD of just the music as part of the game.) The dialog is just great with alot of sarcastic remarks between the charactures some of which will have you bust out laughing. I would rate the Witcher a 9.5.

[mondotomhead]

I just love the Witcher. Yes, you can't change the characture but I wouldn't want to - he is "smokin"!



I liked how the game was mouse driven only. No using keys to move him around and there is no pausing during fights to regroup. You have to be ready and hope you don't get killed. Beautiful graphics and the music is incredible. (You get a CD of just the music as part of the game.) The dialog is just great with alot of sarcastic remarks between the charactures some of which will have you bust out laughing. I would rate the Witcher a 9.5.

[Gidzen]

deathwing200 wrote...

Witcher is a terrible game and a sorry excuse for an RPG. DA is a masterpiece.

DA is a so-so game and the sorriest excuse for a RPG. Witcher was a little better and RE4 was the materpiece which was more believable and not even a RPG!!!