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[ct1615]

.... It only tells me that those people using this argument never entered a roleplay competition (at any games convention near you!) ....

*slowly backs away from the thread*

[Jonfon_ire]

Magic Zarim wrote...

Hrm would be cool if someone would make a mod that would offer Geralt as a party member.. that should keep Morrigan off my back too

I was thinking of making an homage prestige class (or whatever they're called) for a Rogue or Warrior (probably rogue since it's closer to Geralt's light armour fighting style IMO) which is basically a "Warrior Arcane", a warrior who uses Sign-like magic as a combat supplement.

Of course I've to finish the damn game and get my head around the toolkit first.

[SheffSteel]

I was just about to say that a roleplaying game does not need to let you choose your character's class or even attributes before play begins. This "you are everyman" idea is really prevalent in western RPGs, particularly those based on D&D or similar rulesets, but there's more to life. But even in a real pencil & paper D&D campaign, there's nothing to stop the DM from pre-rolling the characters and handing them out to the players. It doesn't magically stop being an RPG. It's a roleplaying game, not a role-choosing game.



... but then I was thoroughly out-geeked, so.

[Damar Stiehl]

I played un-enhanced Witcher and loved it. It was one of the real RPG gems. Yes, there are "mumorpuger" parts to it (go collect 25 ghoul turds and come back), and the combat takes a moment to get used to, but FFS, it's no worse than Gothic's sword-waving.

The story was great. It was actually "dark", not "dark-lite", like DA:O. Genocide, racial hatred, rape, more genocide, REALLY taking sides (racist humans or terrorist elves?), "nesting doll" evil (you just killed the big bad, but guess what - there is a bigger bad hiding behind the guy you just killed).

Oh yeah, and the decisions you made in part 1 would come back and bite you in the ass in part 3, after you have all but forgotten about making them. And you sit there thinking "ohhhh, maybe I should have killed that guy/saved that kitten".

And you got to have sex and see ******, though you had to download a European texture pack for that, but it sure beats the hell out of having to come up with all new meshes.

[SheffSteel]

Damar Stiehl wrote...
"dark-lite"

wins

[fchopin]

The Witcher: great story, great graphics, in my top 5 if not number 1.



Having said that I am very happy with DA and with a few improvements and more patches DLC’s it should be as good as The Witcher.

[Wenla]

The Witcher: (so far) the best RBG I have been playing, and at this age I have been playing quite many...

[X2-Elijah]

Actually, I've jsut re-started another session of The Witcher (EE), and so far, with both games having been played very recently, the comparison is this:



Dragon age is a lot more linear, the voice acting is miles better, the environments are far, far mote tight and cramped, and the colour schemes are more saturated, but the environment design is less impressive.



The Witcher is very free-form, not that far off from the Oblivion in terms of free-roaming. The voice acting is passable at best and often appalling, but the dialogue itself is decent. The environments are much more well-designed and immersive, the OTS camera acts better in TW, the colours are a bit more serious but successfully keep away from being F3-esque signature brown mush. The story and quests in TW feel a bit better than DA's, if only because you are playing a proper character, not a blank goofball with no emotions.



On the whole, the Witcher is the better RPG, because it has soul of a sort - it is never awkward, or off, or fake, and you want to play as long as the story lasts, you don't get bored in the middle of it, like with the DA.

[Titius.Vibius]

I had to revisit The Witcher and indeed its way better than DA, bug-wise only. "Abso-f**kinglutely!"

[Rexxean]

Lord Phoebus wrote...

Better story, Darker Content, Worse Gameplay. You're also playing a set character instead of one you make. You don't have a party in the Witcher, you do in DA. Those should be the main differences.

For what its worth, I rank the Witcher as a 8.5/10 and DA as a 7/10.

The witcher Enhanced edition with the Directors Cut installed I.E full adult language and nudity back is awsome. Yes the actual combat is wosrse then DOA but it is truley gritter and more adult badass orietened, Some times i find myself admazed at the destruction and choices i can unleash in the witcher..

Note even with a Adult 17+ rating .. The American version is cut down on nudity and laguage , so you must download the directors to cut to restore to full orginally vision...


for the price it can be bought for a must buy for anyone!! IMHO

[Rexxean]

tanerb wrote...

well i must admit witcher (enhanced edition) is superior to DA in terms of story and gameplay.

100%

It's amazing ppl how well the Witcher holds its grounds on what we have to admit is a sorta bioware fanboard and some prebias... That being said both are worth owning and both deserve crown  the crown they got... DOA RPG of the year 2009 / The Witcher RPG of the year 2007 The free huge patches and fixes and content upgrades should have made The Witcher EE RPG of the yeaar 2008 also tho inho.

[HotChix69]

I tried The Witcher Enhanced demo and was blown away by the graphics but hated the game. The story is retarded (just like The Witcher movie; never read the books) and I don't like being forced to play Geralt, a cardboard anti-hero. Plus combat is too hard! Try clicking on a tiny cursor to attack and then wait for flashing icons to do finishing moves. Repetitive is too kind a word. There is zero fun to be had. I couldn't even get past the first fight I was so bored. Too bad because I really wanted to like this game and see all the nudity and gore but it's not worth the trouble.

[Magic Zarim]

You shouldn't play the game to see gore and nudity.. you should play the game to live and play the tale of a Witcher

[shawn-m]

"Repetitive is too kind a word. There is zero fun to be had. I couldn't even get past the first fight I was so bored."



Now that's funny!

[StrangeCat Productions]

The Witcher was so fantastic I was blown away by the story? There is no game like that! Some how all the characters everything seemed so alive! So many amazing twists and turns in the story too.

I really have to say that The Witcher would still be winning all the awards instead of Dragon Age. The Witcher is more a personal story and game, it feels lived in. It's amazing that that company created that game! It made me read the first book Blood Elves even.



Dragon Age is cool there are some amazing stories in it but the world and places are rather Dull. They lack the detail that brings them alive something the Witcher had in Spades!

[Zooze]

They are different games and I enjoy them both. However I would definately rate The Witcher higher. Mainly because the story is very emersive, the loot system actually works, I love the spell and potion system. It's a great game.



I like DA:O also for different reasons, I like Bioware's implementation of parties, even from Star Wars Knights of the old republic, to Mass Effect and DA:O. Its a different dynamic, and there are lots of things in DA:O that could be improved on to make it a much better game, e.g. decent loot system, the ability to use other characters for certain things instead of the primary character (e.g. Firing the Arrow in the Forest, you had to use the primary character, why when you have a party?).



Zoozer

[kingthrall]

Myth 2 is best game ever made better than the witcher and dragon age combine, try it. It has just as dark storyline and the best gameplay system for any game. copy this youtube link to see a glimpse of the storyline (myth 3, storyline is exclelent) however get myth 2 as its a much better game. I should mention its not rpg it is real time tactical stratergy without buildings and resources.









Witcher is better than dragon age however that said, Dragon age uses party tactics and the witcher does not so dragon age is slightly hard to rank compared due to the type of gameplay.

[Darkened Dragon]

You can't do a true comparison with both in their CRPG states. Its like apples and oranges ... Both are fruits (in this case RPG based) but both are totally different.



The Witcher: Action CRPG based on the story of a single character where the systems were from a predeveloped PnP game.



Dragon Age: Origins : More of a Strategic CRPG based on a plot that you develop and interact with where the systems predate the PnP counterpart (i.e. the PnP version came out after the crpg)



As to what I thought about the generalities and such of each.



The Witcher: Less bugs, Better Textures, Stronger and more diverse Beastiary, Side Games (like the Dice game used), getting totally smashed off various alcohols and then fighting



Dragon Age:Origins: Better Models (with exception to the long armed dwarves and over sized hands), Better Voice acting, Larger Replay Value, More PC types, Party Interaction, IMHO Better Modding Toolset (once you get past the MSXML6 SP2 bug from MS)



What both seem to lack that I see:



-Plot twists that make ya go WTF??? but after being a DM for AD&D 2.0 for many years until I took a long break from it ... I've seen and used many plot twists and am used to how many play out.



-The lack of MP aspects. Though I don't see much MP potential in The Witcher as I do in DA:O.

[kingthrall]

Darkened Dragon wrote...

You can't do a true comparison with both in their CRPG states. Its like apples and oranges ... Both are fruits (in this case RPG based) but both are totally different.

The Witcher: Action CRPG based on the story of a single character where the systems were from a predeveloped PnP game.

Dragon Age: Origins : More of a Strategic CRPG based on a plot that you develop and interact with where the systems predate the PnP counterpart (i.e. the PnP version came out after the crpg)

As to what I thought about the generalities and such of each.

The Witcher: Less bugs, Better Textures, Stronger and more diverse Beastiary, Side Games (like the Dice game used), getting totally smashed off various alcohols and then fighting

Dragon Age:Origins: Better Models (with exception to the long armed dwarves and over sized hands), Better Voice acting, Larger Replay Value, More PC types, Party Interaction, IMHO Better Modding Toolset (once you get past the MSXML6 SP2 bug from MS)

What both seem to lack that I see:

-Plot twists that make ya go WTF??? but after being a DM for AD&D 2.0 for many years until I took a long break from it ... I've seen and used many plot twists and am used to how many play out.

-The lack of MP aspects. Though I don't see much MP potential in The Witcher as I do in DA:O.

The voice acting was not exeptional, tim curry excluded it would be on the same scale. and as for replay value the witcher has about the same as dragon age. sure dragon age you can play with a lot more classes but the storyline is the same and the whole campaign from start to finish is too damn long and loathesome to repeat over and over.

Myth 2 vs Dragon age Vs Witcher (using above quote)

Myth 2

multiplayer, max 16 play per game, 6 teams per game which can be unbalanced , 8 diffrent multiplay objectives, free for all is also playable.

Game is 11 years old with textures updates and been balanced constantly after many many years
200 different downloads of map packs, and coversions to the game including civil war, ww2 and zombie mods

experience, freindly fire and terrain all play a part in the game heavily. Random dud bottles, bits of swords and all kinds of random things happen making the replay value of this game infininte.
 
for exsample a dwarf throws a explosive bottle but gets hit in the face with a flying sword from a nearby explosion ,drops his own bottles and blows himself up. the dwarf dies and explodes his sachel bombs he is carrying and kills all nearby units decimating that players army randomly.

voice acting and music composed is of high quality, can be heard here with some narration of the plot www.youtube.com/watch

videos were actually done by the comapny of disney for real, this game is mature and violent

storyline is very large, dark like the witcher and has about 4 different ages of history told.

Im sorry but myth 2 is by far the best game ever made

[StrangeCat Productions]

Darkened Dragon wrote...

You can't do a true comparison with both in their CRPG states. Its like apples and oranges ... Both are fruits (in this case RPG based) but both are totally different.

The Witcher: Action CRPG based on the story of a single character where the systems were from a predeveloped PnP game.

Dragon Age: Origins : More of a Strategic CRPG based on a plot that you develop and interact with where the systems predate the PnP counterpart (i.e. the PnP version came out after the crpg)

As to what I thought about the generalities and such of each.

The Witcher: Less bugs, Better Textures, Stronger and more diverse Beastiary, Side Games (like the Dice game used), getting totally smashed off various alcohols and then fighting

Dragon Age:Origins: Better Models (with exception to the long armed dwarves and over sized hands), Better Voice acting, Larger Replay Value, More PC types, Party Interaction, IMHO Better Modding Toolset (once you get past the MSXML6 SP2 bug from MS)

What both seem to lack that I see:

-Plot twists that make ya go WTF??? but after being a DM for AD&D 2.0 for many years until I took a long break from it ... I've seen and used many plot twists and am used to how many play out.

-The lack of MP aspects. Though I don't see much MP potential in The Witcher as I do in DA:O.

man yourtake of each game says a lot about you!  Your nott even mentioning the personal story of Witcher or the Amazing Twists that it had.....Which is the strongest point of the game!

Same for DAO...story everything for this game and well yea party combat

[kingthrall]

The twists were good in the witcher granted but still doesnt stack up to myth 2

[Darkened Dragon]

Strangecat: Actually I didn't mention the story's of either since they weren't related to the post ... Now as to stories, not to mention to compare them to each other would mean dropping potential spoilers in a no spoiler forum. Not to mention each story has beginnings middles and ends as well as a main plot. DA:O in itself can't be compared to the witcher story because of this reason. As far as the twists of the witcher... as I stated I'm extremely used to many types of twists ...

-Plot twists that make ya go WTF??? but after being a DM for AD&D 2.0 for many years until I took a long break from it ... I've seen and used many plot twists and am used to how many play out.

The witcher and DA:O (as far as I've seen) I haven't seen any that made me go WTF??? I.E. they were predictable in my case. Yes this includes the main plot of the witcher being that the boy you saved became your enemy warped back in time to your present after he aged and became the grandmaster, all because of the way you interacted with him during his youth. The basic story and moral was the old ripple aspect a lot of dramas use. Everything you do effects your future and that of others.



Don't get me wrong I liked the witcher but while it was a great story .. it was a straight through story that to me was very predictable. It was a game based on a TV series, which I did find intriguing and thought about trying the PnP version just found out that it more contradicts the PnP game than bases itself off it. Yet, since it was based on a TV series and had one main character from said TV series, it to me was just continuing the story that was predetermined. Which made it easy for me to foresee the plot twists. Very little choices will extremely mess with the main ... as it was developed not only for new gamers to pull into the witcher books/movies/series/games. It was also made with the fans of such in mind.



Kingthrall: I wasn't comparing to Myth 2, sorry if my post mislead that. In truth, I've never played it but it does sound interesting to play regardless of its age. Some of the best games I ever played were the older games. As for the Voice Acting comparison, I simply meant to me they had some more livelyhood than what I recall from the witcher. But that's taking the in party banters into consideration. Well that and one person in particular doing a mock sermon when asked about an aspect of religious history. (hopefully that oe can be remembered since I'm trying to avoid spoilers LOL).



I was merely posting my views of the comparison the topic stated.



As to playing ungodly long storylines over and over. Heh, Guilty. ... Mainly due to budget, time constraint issues (due to being a father to a 2 and a half year old daddy's girl), and being a completionist. But I played NWN and NWN2 over and over, same with the witcher and a few other games.

[Haplose]

Darkened Dragon wrote...
The basic story and moral was the old ripple aspect a lot of dramas use. Everything you do effects your future and that of others.

Don't get me wrong I liked the witcher but while it was a great story .. it was a straight through story that to me was very predictable. It was a game based on a TV series, which I did find intriguing and thought about trying the PnP version just found out that it more contradicts the PnP game than bases itself off it. Yet, since it was based on a TV series and had one main character from said TV series, it to me was just continuing the story that was predetermined. Which made it easy for me to foresee the plot twists. Very little choices will extremely mess with the main ... as it was developed not only for new gamers to pull into the witcher books/movies/series/games. It was also made with the fans of such in mind.

Well, there was really a one hell of a spoiler in your post. There are spoilers and spoilers... but that... was a bit overboard, i think.

And The Witcher is not based on a TV series. It's set in the world and uses the characters of a series of short stories and novels (including a 5 tome saga). The TV series is also loosely based on these books. But I wouldn't advise the film to anyone. Storywise it's just a huge, disjointed mess. The play is just bad and most of the costumes suck (only Geral is decent... and Dandelion, I guess).

If you're interested in the Witcher's story and world I advise the short stories (Last Wish and Sword of Destiny tomes). The saga if you really like it (it eventually becomes a bit drawn out). But stay away from the TV series!

Anyway, none of those really covers the story of the game. The events in the game take place some years after the end of the saga and are an entirely new story.

[Atilius the Hun]

I played the Witcher (enchance edition). Really good story, but less content and shorter campaign. The lack of party members in addition to lots of game crashes, visual bugs and the irritation of seeing the same character models (with voices) again and again made me give the game an 8.0 / 10 rating.  It's still a fun game though.

DAO has alot more content, has a much longer campaign, provides many more opportunities for replay, has fewer bugs and the story is as good as that of the Witcher (IMO). I give DAO a 9 / 10 for this.

In the end, both games are good and are worth playing.

Modifié par Atilius the Hun, 21 décembre 2009 - 05:50 .

[TeleProd]

IMO, Dragon Age is clearly the better RPG. Dragon Age's party-based pause&play combat trumps The Witcher's clickfest. Storywise I think they are almost equal. Dragon Age has better dialogue and characters, however. The only big strength The Witcher has over Dragon Age is that it's world is more mature, realistic, believable and down-to-earth. Dragon Age just lacks that certain feeling of believability.