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[Gena Mafer]

TeleProd wrote...
The only big strength The Witcher has over Dragon Age is that it's world is more mature, realistic, believable and down-to-earth. Dragon Age just lacks that certain feeling of believability.

I pretty much agree with that.

Bioware has always had that self-consciously cartoony high-fantasy, breaking the 4th wall and winking at its fanbase quality which was a strength early on-- but times have changed, fanbases have changed.

Saying that your upcoming game, DA, will be dark and gritty and adding puppet sex and egregious blood decals won't get it done, in the same way that a mini-nuke and Subject Zero won't do it for the ME2 team.

The Witcher, which is clearly not the equal of DA in many ways and which is fundamentally the same--  a sword-and-sorcery whodunit with the PC serving as errand boy/peregrine psychotherapist/sword for hire--  masterfully negotiates its way in, through and around the problem of tone, coming off in a fundamentally mature way-- despite the heads rolling on the floor and the dirty playing cards.  

Both are good, perhaps great, games; and DA is likely the better game, all things considered; but, to me at least, the Witcher is fundamentally deeper and  and more memorable.

Modifié par Gena Mafer, 21 décembre 2009 - 11:36 .

[Kyogen]

TeleProd wrote...

IMO, Dragon Age is clearly the better RPG. Dragon Age's party-based pause&play combat trumps The Witcher's clickfest. Storywise I think they are almost equal. Dragon Age has better dialogue and characters, however. The only big strength The Witcher has over Dragon Age is that it's world is more mature, realistic, believable and down-to-earth. Dragon Age just lacks that certain feeling of believability.

In terms of RPG quality, having a better story is a fairly serious advantage. Still, so much is a matter of taste. I prefer The Witcher's gameplay, but that does not mean that I do not enjoy DA:O very much.

[TheMadCat]

Gena Mafer wrote...

TeleProd wrote...
The only big strength The Witcher has over Dragon Age is that it's world is more mature, realistic, believable and down-to-earth. Dragon Age just lacks that certain feeling of believability.

I pretty much agree with that.

Bioware has always had that self-consciously cartoony high-fantasy, breaking the 4th wall and winking at its fanbase quality which was a strength early on-- but times have changed, fanbases have changed.

Saying that your upcoming game, DA, will be dark and gritty and adding puppet sex and egregious blood decals won't get it done, in the same way that a mini-nuke and Subject Zero won't do it for the ME2 team.

The Witcher, which is clearly not the equal of DA in many ways and which is fundamentally the same--  a sword-and-sorcery whodunit with the PC serving as errand boy/peregrine psychotherapist/sword for hire--  masterfully negotiates its way in, through and around the problem of tone, coming off in a fundamentally mature way-- despite the heads rolling on the floor and the dirty playing cards.  

Both are good, perhaps great, games; and DA is likely the better game, all things considered; but, to me at least, the Witcher is fundamentally deeper and  and more memorable.

Yeah, I like this post for the most part. In my opinion Dragon Age is better in many aspects compared to The Witcher, even much better in a few areas, The Witch is far superior to Dragon Age in terms of atmosphere and environment. As they said, the world in The Witcher just felt more real, more alive and sinister which just felt so right for the game. In Dragon Age they seemed to go for a more cartoony, comical type of dark where in some areas is goes to far over the top that it's funny or just doesn't even come close.

Honestly I would have loved to have seen the world modeled a bit to the style of The Witcher as I feel at the end of the day both are striving for the same type of atmosphere. Instead they seemed to have aimed for a darker, more violet WoW. Almost everything else though Dragon Age walks all over The Witcher.

[Mordigan]

The Witcher is an absolute masterpiece!



The World, the story, the graphics (dated but the artistry more than make up for it), the characters, the game play, the MUSIC! I would go to the dike in Vizima just to hear the score. It was so relaxing, so beautiful...



I'm eagerly awaiting the Witcher 2... For anyone that hasn't seen it, here's some Witcher 2 Alpha footage.



DAO had the potential to be a masterpiece, but suffers from a number of flaws, mostly due to technical reasons..



The story and tactical game play are great and the characters well developed, but as others have mentioned, the game isn't nearly as immersive or believable as the Witcher, primarily due to the level/area design (the areas are small and lacking contiguity), low population density, and shoddy textures..



Denerim in particular was a major let down..



DAO is still a great game though. I'd rate it 8.5 easily, but the Witcher I'd have to give a 9.5..



The Witcher 2 is going to be incredible!

[TeleProd]

--the game isn't nearly as immersive or believable as the Witcher, primarily due to the level/area design (the areas are small and lacking contiguity), low population density, and shoddy textures..

I agree with this. The level design in Dragon Age is subpar compared to other aspects of the game and in some instances it is downright bad. The levels lack the illusion of open-endedness and are much too cramped. Notable example of bad level design is the Brecilian Forest. It's a fairly linear map, which is fine, but the linearity is hidden poorly. There are slopes all around you, clearly cordoning of the game area. The second part of the forest is just awful. I feel like the level designer didn't even try to hide the fact that it's a limited game level. In addition, every encounter just seems too close together.

I found myself disappointed with the levels in Dragon Age and often compared them to the Witcher's. I'm not saying the Witcher has particularly good level design, but the believability and illusion of freedom was much stronger in them. The levels were bigger, more open and had more realistic boundaries. I understand and accept the need for linearity, but BioWare should try to hide it better in Dragon Age 2.

[jharris06]

I loved the Witcher as well, I bought the original and found it rather buggy even with the patches...kinda frustrating so when the Enhanced came out I got that. The story is awesome and stunning cut scenes. Yes, combat can get repetitive and monotonous. Descisions massively affect outcomes, I, also, adored the musical score of the Witcher and the darkness of the story. It is based from a novel to which I read and enjoyed that beautifully tied into the game in more detail, as far as more background.



Mass Effect was very good in that it combines a little FPS action into an RPG game. It's story is decent as well as character development though the Citadel took rather long to get through, to finally get to travel around.



Both games are worth having in your personal collection, period.

[kingthrall]

yet myth 2 is just better than either dragon age or the witcher

[Merwanor]

Personally i think DA is one of the best RPGs ever made. I like The Witcher at first, the only problem is that is got rely slow when you entered the city. I could not get into it, and the lack of weapons, armor etc rely did not do it for me. Sometimes you just need more loot to make stuff interesting. And the Combat system was not good enough.



All these issues is not a problem in DA, as it got a great combat system, lots of nice loot and an amazing story,



But after the clip i have seen from the next Witcher game, it does seem much better.

[Kohaku]

I'm playing through The Witcher now and I like it. I have the Enhanced Edition, it was about $20 at Wal-Mart. Like some others have said I find it more mature and picking what to say actually made me think about what outcome I wanted. Not to say I don't like Dragon Age though.

[Sam -stone- serious]

Dex1701 wrote...
With some tweaking (like 4Aces texture mods and forcing AA and AF) Dragon Age has MUCH better graphics than The Witcher.

Witcher has its own Hi-Res mode textures as well. You need a monstrous video card to run them properly though.

[Loregothe]

I am not sure I agree the story is better in The Witcher than DA:O. It is different. The game interface is not as good as DA, and the general gameplay is not as good, but considering the age of the engine, it is very good. I also don't believe the game is "more mature." The subject matter in both games is nearly identical. It is presented differently, and both games could be considered more "gritty" than most of the other games in the genre.



Honestly, I would consider them quite similar in quality of story and maturity. Both have a sense of humor, but the humor is different. All of that sort of thing is subjective though.



I own the original and "The Witcher: Enhanced Edition Director’s Cut" The new version adds a lot of eye candy, but not much story, however, the story was good to start with. If you don't own it, and you like DA, you will probably like it if you can get past the combat system, which is a little different that you might be used to.

[Arbiter Libera]

Only real issue I had with Witcher (personally had no problem with click-fest combat, seen much worse) is how thanks to it's gray morality and general "there are no completely good or completely bad guys" approach to things events in game unfolded and very quickly you learned that no matter what choice you made the game was gonna screw you over somehow. After the first couple decisions it's like "wow, this is grim and unexpected", but afterward you just KNOW there's no escape from ill consequences... mainly because positive ones almost don't even exist.

Modifié par Arbiter Libera, 22 décembre 2009 - 01:43 .

[Kyogen]

Arbiter Libera wrote...

Only real issue I had with Witcher (personally had no problem with click-fest combat, seen much worse) is how thanks to it's gray morality and general "there are no completely good or completely bad guys" approach to things events in game unfolded and very quickly you learned that no matter what choice you made the game was gonna screw you over somehow. After the first couple decisions it's like "wow, this is grim and unexpected", but afterward you just KNOW there's no escape from ill consequences... mainly because positive ones almost don't even exist.

The Witcher is all about the lesser evil. The DA:O universe is not as dark in general, despite having more customizable PCs.

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Arbiter Libera wrote...

Only real issue I had with Witcher (personally had no problem with click-fest combat, seen much worse) is how thanks to it's gray morality and general "there are no completely good or completely bad guys" approach to things events in game unfolded and very quickly you learned that no matter what choice you made the game was gonna screw you over somehow. After the first couple decisions it's like "wow, this is grim and unexpected", but afterward you just KNOW there's no escape from ill consequences... mainly because positive ones almost don't even exist.

One of the 'charm' of the game. Most choices you make you can't decide by 'normal means';

Try to value by Moral? Doesn't work. Logic? Nope. Selfishness vs 'Selflessness'? Nope. Lesser of two evils? Most of the time...no.

DA:O choices are mostly more tradition, which isn't a bad thing.

[Arbiter Libera]

I get it and I get you both, but it just leaves this impression than no matter what you do you're getting screwed or that you never fully do what you want. But then again, it is the matter of lesser evil so yeah, no point complaining about how I can't be a goodie 2-shoes.

[Kyogen]

Arbiter Libera wrote...

I get it and I get you both, but it just leaves this impression than no matter what you do you're getting screwed or that you never fully do what you want. But then again, it is the matter of lesser evil so yeah, no point complaining about how I can't be a goodie 2-shoes.

Now you sound like Geralt.
Still, if it's not your style of game, then it's just not. Nothing wrong with that.

[Magic Zarim]

This evening I initially felt like playing DA, but somehow I ended up continuing my hard-mode Witcher playthrough. It came to my thoughts that maybe in the TW forums there would also be a similar topic to this: TW vs DA. And low and behold TW vs DA:O



It's rather interesting to see that the general consensus is the same both here and there, a "fanboy" immune conensus

[Titius.Vibius]

The Witcher is not comparable to DAO, these two games are different altogether.

[Magic Zarim]

That is your opinion.

[elys]

It's all about personal tastes but since you asked:

I've played them both.
They're both great game even if of different styles.

If I had to choose only one them now, I would choose DAO.

Because of the combat system. I dislike completly the equipement/skills and twitch fest in The Witcher

Because of companions. They are fun.

Because of the various classes and items available.

However one thing comparable that I find better in the Witcher is some of the combat melee animation and sounds who somehow are more vibrant than in DAO. Hard to describe but the sword fights are more exciting in the Witcher from a feeling perspective.

Modifié par elys, 07 janvier 2010 - 12:29 .

[Gidzen]

I agree, both of the games are wondorful games, both unique in their own way, but since the are both marked as RPG's we always tend to compare them against each other, only to decide who is the better. Personally I find them so very different that a comparison would be impossible. It's like deciding what is cutest of a puppy and a kitty.  


I agree with you... both different , both good; and puppy or kitty both taste good..

[Wishpig]

Both AMAZING games and both my top two fav RPG's after BG2.



I liked the Witcher's combat, but looks like I'm the minority



Plus the witcher is almost worth the buy for the soundtrack alone

[Cell1e]

Ew the witcher!! It had good sword fighting but it took me ages to get the hang of that. For me it doesn't compare to DA.



Maybe its a real 'boy toy' type game...



But worth a crack anyway!

[deuce982]

IMO, its slightly better than DA overall.