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[WYLDMAXX]

Here are my two positive words for Synthesis. Yeah, right.

[Eain]

themaltaproject wrote...

Eain wrote...

Oh, yeah, actually. Here is synthesis's second prime offense:

"I AM ALIVE."

You were alive before, EDI. Having absorbed someone's magical "essence of who and what they are" doesn't somehow make you more alive. I needed no further convincing that you lived the moment Joker unshackled you in ME2.

Does that matter though? EDI knows what it means to be alive now. She never had emotions before or was able to other things us organic types love to do like cry when we are told NO.

The fact that she could not do organic things had no bearing on whether or not she lived. It all depends on what the word alive means. Even today we can't truly define what "being alive" is. It's a wholly subjective experience. Maybe she can't cry or eat food or feel the same emotions we do, but she's capable of a whole host of things that we are not in turn, so as far as I'm concerned we're just talking about two different lifeforms.

[QuanManChu]

Not sure if forcing everyone into becoming somewhat friendlier Cybermen/Borg would be considered a "good" solution for my Sheppard, but to each there own.

[Firecell11]

Synthesis is still space magic to me. Will never choose that.

[Versus Omnibus]

I was really hoping Shepard would live in EC version of Synthesis. But the EC certainly helps improve the endings greatly.

[mcz2345]

amen

[themaltaproject]

Total Biscuit wrote...

themaltaproject wrote...

That makes no sense how? Radiation changes your DNA easily. 

No offense, but this is just amazingly stupid.

I can see why you don't get how totally impossible synthesis is just from these two sentences.

If you like the green space magic ending, then great, but please, never try to justify it to others ever again again.

Have you EVER heard of cancer caused by radiation? Do you know how many different forms of radiation there are? Do you know what chemistry is? What about physics?

Better yet do you know what cancer is?

Modifié par themaltaproject, 26 juin 2012 - 08:26 .

[NoUserNameHere]

zephuurs wrote...

lol @ everyone complaining about space magic when the whole series is based on space magic.

brb, going to get a cup of eezo from the fridge

There's 'magic in space' and then there is 'space magic.'

It's a difference of rules, circumstance, suspension of disbelief, and occasionally degree.


I'll stop here, before anyone goes quoting Clarke's Third Law like they actually know what it means.

[AtlasMickey]

It always was. It couldn't have ended any other way.

[themaltaproject]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

zephuurs wrote...

lol @ everyone complaining about space magic when the whole series is based on space magic.

brb, going to get a cup of eezo from the fridge

There's 'magic in space' and then there is 'space magic.'

It's a difference of rules, circumstance, suspension of disbelief, and occasionally degree.


I'll stop here, before anyone goes quoting Clarke's Third Law like they actually know what it means.

LOL BRB GOOGLE TIME

[Eain]

The Gman707 wrote...

Were talking about a game that features faster than light travel and your bothered by the fact that there is a second thing that isnt physically possible?

The synthasis ending was also my favorite. I like all the new ones really although destroy is a little sad when you think that all the geth and edi would be killed.

This is a layman's excuse. Obviously any fictional setting will stretch the limits of people's imagination, but it's important that a universe is internally consistent. If in A Song of Ice and Fire there suddenly exists an order of wizards who raise the dead and cast fireballs you'd say that this was a bit out of character with how magic is treated within that setting, and for this order of wizards to suddenly exist there'd have to be a pretty big explanation on why in order for it to align with the lore we know. Moreover, there'd have to be a precedent for it within the lore.

As an example, it would work if these wizards came from a faraway land often invoked as mysterious and home to strange rituals. It would not work if these wizards turned out to have been living underneath Winterfell all along. If the writer can find no precedent for a new addition to his story, it is often better to leave it out.

The same is true for sci-fi tech (which for all intents and purposes is often equal to magic's role in fantasy). We are told in an extensive codex that things X, Y and Z are possible within the universe and that things A, B and C are not. Suddenly factor E is introduced, and it appears to be a lot closer to ABC than to XYZ, so we're wondering what exactly it's doing there. If the explanation invokes factors "D, G and H", which are all letters on the wrong side of the alphabet aswell, the writers have done a poor job at justifying themselves.

Modifié par Eain, 26 juin 2012 - 08:30 .

[Banul]

Picked Destroy for a possible reunion with Tali

Totally worth it

[themaltaproject]

Eain wrote...

The Gman707 wrote...

Were talking about a game that features faster than light travel and your bothered by the fact that there is a second thing that isnt physically possible?

The synthasis ending was also my favorite. I like all the new ones really although destroy is a little sad when you think that all the geth and edi would be killed.

This is a layman's excuse. Obviously any fictional setting will stretch the limits of people's imagination, but it's important that a universe is internally consistent. If in A Song of Ice and Fire there suddenly exists an order of wizards who raise the dead and cast fireballs you'd say that this was a bit out of character with how magic is treated within that setting, and for this order of wizards to suddenly exist there'd have to be a pretty big explanation on why in order for it to align with the lore we know. Moreover, there'd have to be a precedent for it within the lore.

As an example, it would work if these wizards came from a faraway land often invoked as mysterious and home to strange rituals. It would not work if these wizards turned out to have been living underneath Winterfell all along.

The same is true for sci-fi tech (which for all intents and purposes is often equal to magic's role in fantasy). We are told in an extensive codex that things X, Y and Z are possible within the universe and that things A, B and C are not. Suddenly factor E is introduced, and it appears to be a lot closer to ABC than to XYZ, so we're wondering what exactly it's doing there. If the explanation invokes factors "D, G and H", which are all letters on the wrong side of the alphabet aswell, the writers have done a poor job at justifying themselves.

You do make a very fine and well argued point it's just that what you believe is possible is going to be different from what others believe. Not saying that I ever believed synthesis is possible, I just like the idea.

[VRtheTrooper]

Hyrist wrote...

I'm not at all upset over the concept of "Space Magic" Not given all the other forms of space magic in the trilogy that everyone conveniently overlooks.

^thank you. NOW it bothers people. lol

[AtlasMickey]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

zephuurs wrote...

lol @ everyone complaining about space magic when the whole series is based on space magic.

brb, going to get a cup of eezo from the fridge

There's 'magic in space' and then there is 'space magic.'

It's a difference of rules, circumstance, suspension of disbelief, and occasionally degree. 

Haha. Nope.

[Peranor]

zephuurs wrote...

lol @ everyone complaining about space magic when the whole series is based on space magic.

brb, going to get a cup of eezo from the fridge

You don't see the difference?
Here, allow me to explain:
SciFi technology rarely manages to be completely plausible, even within the context of "hard" SciFi.
But that is irrelevant as long as it matches the rules that have been established in the fictional universe.
The difference between "hard" and "soft" SCiFi is mostly that the former puts more effort into creating fictional scientific explanation for what's going on, whereas the latter keeps that to a minimum.

However, let's go one step further: even fantasy that COMPLETELY relies on "magic" as the sole explanation of what's going on follows specific rules that are established in the narrative and cannot be broken without some *very* good explanation.

Now, in the context of the Mass Effect universe, everything had a "scientific" explanation. It didn't match real science, and would never work in the real world - but the developers made a conscious effort to make it plausible within the fictional context - even technology that was beyond the characters' grasp, like most Reaper tech.

The same does not apply to synthesis.

[AtlasMickey]

Think of it this way: Synthesis is the tech singularity for a universe that contains eezo-space-magic.

Of course it'll look different from a tech singularity that we might imagine in our own universe.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 26 juin 2012 - 08:35 .

[Most Definitely Sane]

Synthesis got a little odder for me, actually.

When that husk attacked the soldier and then stopped, it looked like it had humanity again. Like, it can feel and think. At least, that's what I got from how confused it looked.

Does that mean that all of the husks from all the races can think again? Can they remember everything as a husk? And if that's the case, what are they going to do? Are they going to get some sort of magical surgery to become their old selves again? Are they just going to suck it up and deal, and just hope no one trys to kill them or act cruelly just because they're different? Or are they just going to go kill themselves?

Or am I just thinking too much?

[Eain]

themaltaproject wrote...

Eain wrote...

The Gman707 wrote...

Were talking about a game that features faster than light travel and your bothered by the fact that there is a second thing that isnt physically possible?

The synthasis ending was also my favorite. I like all the new ones really although destroy is a little sad when you think that all the geth and edi would be killed.

This is a layman's excuse. Obviously any fictional setting will stretch the limits of people's imagination, but it's important that a universe is internally consistent. If in A Song of Ice and Fire there suddenly exists an order of wizards who raise the dead and cast fireballs you'd say that this was a bit out of character with how magic is treated within that setting, and for this order of wizards to suddenly exist there'd have to be a pretty big explanation on why in order for it to align with the lore we know. Moreover, there'd have to be a precedent for it within the lore.

As an example, it would work if these wizards came from a faraway land often invoked as mysterious and home to strange rituals. It would not work if these wizards turned out to have been living underneath Winterfell all along.

The same is true for sci-fi tech (which for all intents and purposes is often equal to magic's role in fantasy). We are told in an extensive codex that things X, Y and Z are possible within the universe and that things A, B and C are not. Suddenly factor E is introduced, and it appears to be a lot closer to ABC than to XYZ, so we're wondering what exactly it's doing there. If the explanation invokes factors "D, G and H", which are all letters on the wrong side of the alphabet aswell, the writers have done a poor job at justifying themselves.

You do make a very fine and well argued point it's just that what you believe is possible is going to be different from what others believe. Not saying that I ever believed synthesis is possible, I just like the idea.

Thanks. To be honest I like the idea of synthesis (even if the justification for it is poor), and it's still the ending I choose playthroughs where I can find it in myself to slug through Sanctuary, Cronos Station and Earth (I often stop at Rannoch). I was just expecting more from the spacekid's explanation is all, and the fact that it's still lacking makes me think that Walters put the option in more because it seemed the fulfillment of an idea he himself holds about where synthetic and organic life should go, rather than it being an extension of the Mass Effect universe. It just seems to fit poorly with the setting, even if the concept itself is interesting.

[Dranks]

Deus Ex in space. I can handle it.

[themaltaproject]

anorling wrote...

zephuurs wrote...

lol @ everyone complaining about space magic when the whole series is based on space magic.

brb, going to get a cup of eezo from the fridge

You don't see the difference?
Here, allow me to explain:
SciFi technology rarely manages to be completely plausible, even within the context of "hard" SciFi.
But that is irrelevant as long as it matches the rules that have been established in the fictional universe.
The difference between "hard" and "soft" SCiFi is mostly that the former puts more effort into creating fictional scientific explanation for what's going on, whereas the latter keeps that to a minimum.

However, let's go one step further: even fantasy that COMPLETELY relies on "magic" as the sole explanation of what's going on follows specific rules that are established in the narrative and cannot be broken without some *very* good explanation.

Now, in the context of the Mass Effect universe, everything had a "scientific" explanation. It didn't match real science, and would never work in the real world - but the developers made a conscious effort to make it plausible within the fictional context - even technology that was beyond the characters' grasp, like most Reaper tech.

The same does not apply to synthesis.

What about early on before the humans discovered FTL drives in the ME universe? The "technological leap" The illusive man talked about before you shot him(or he shot himself) was part of that. It stretches what they believed was the realm of possibility and made way for NEW laws and NEW science.

Is that was causes so much problem over synthesis?

Also, synthesis was kind of hinted at with project overlord. I believe anyway

[ticklefist]

It went from being my favorite and preferred ending to the ending to the ending I will never touch again. Was like night of the green eyed creeps.

Modifié par ticklefist, 26 juin 2012 - 08:40 .

[themaltaproject]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

Synthesis got a little odder for me, actually.

When that husk attacked the soldier and then stopped, it looked like it had humanity again. Like, it can feel and think. At least, that's what I got from how confused it looked.

Does that mean that all of the husks from all the races can think again? Can they remember everything as a husk? And if that's the case, what are they going to do? Are they going to get some sort of magical surgery to become their old selves again? Are they just going to suck it up and deal, and just hope no one trys to kill them or act cruelly just because they're different? Or are they just going to go kill themselves?

Or am I just thinking too much?

They were reaper controlled. I would say it was more the reapers understanding them through the husks since having the name "husk" implies you are nothing more than that

[AtlasMickey]

anorling wrote...

zephuurs wrote...

lol @ everyone complaining about space magic when the whole series is based on space magic.

brb, going to get a cup of eezo from the fridge

You don't see the difference?
Here, allow me to explain:
SciFi technology rarely manages to be completely plausible, even within the context of "hard" SciFi.
But that is irrelevant as long as it matches the rules that have been established in the fictional universe.
The difference between "hard" and "soft" SCiFi is mostly that the former puts more effort into creating fictional scientific explanation for what's going on, whereas the latter keeps that to a minimum.

However, let's go one step further: even fantasy that COMPLETELY relies on "magic" as the sole explanation of what's going on follows specific rules that are established in the narrative and cannot be broken without some *very* good explanation.

Now, in the context of the Mass Effect universe, everything had a "scientific" explanation. It didn't match real science, and would never work in the real world - but the developers made a conscious effort to make it plausible within the fictional context - even technology that was beyond the characters' grasp, like most Reaper tech.

The same does not apply to synthesis.

Emphasis mine. Response: not really. Even Star Trek used the main deflector deflector array to do whatever was needed at the shortest notice, including travelling to other dimensions, universes, and galaxies. Rotating frequencies also did wonders.

[tomcplotts]

synthesis was retarded. I have no other description for it, even though I realize it was the preferred ending of the dev team. "I am not aloooonnnne!" I can stop calling her EDI and start calling her NEDI.