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[Total Biscuit]

zephuurs wrote...

lol @ everyone complaining about space magic when the whole series is based on space magic.

brb, going to get a cup of eezo from the fridge

Eezo is fictional exotic matter with clearly defined properties, applications and effects, all of which were properly thought out and are 'realistic' enough to work in our own universe if it existed. It's also an origional way to get around relativity for FTL travel.

Biotics get somewhat trickier, since the basic idea of using electromagnetic impulses and computational power of the brain with the the in universe defined properties of Eezo should allow the manipulation of mass, and thus gravity fields, but gameplay mechanics and fun kind of throw that out the window. 

But the basic ideas behind it, and hypothetical science is fine and based on physics, even if it couldn't work in reality.

Synthesis is sheer impossibility based on a fundamental lack of understanding of any scientific field from Walters and Hudson, especially Biology. It's in no way realistic, believable, or anything other than pure 

[themaltaproject]

AtlasMickey wrote...

anorling wrote...

zephuurs wrote...

lol @ everyone complaining about space magic when the whole series is based on space magic.

brb, going to get a cup of eezo from the fridge

You don't see the difference?
Here, allow me to explain:
SciFi technology rarely manages to be completely plausible, even within the context of "hard" SciFi.
But that is irrelevant as long as it matches the rules that have been established in the fictional universe.
The difference between "hard" and "soft" SCiFi is mostly that the former puts more effort into creating fictional scientific explanation for what's going on, whereas the latter keeps that to a minimum.

However, let's go one step further: even fantasy that COMPLETELY relies on "magic" as the sole explanation of what's going on follows specific rules that are established in the narrative and cannot be broken without some *very* good explanation.

Now, in the context of the Mass Effect universe, everything had a "scientific" explanation. It didn't match real science, and would never work in the real world - but the developers made a conscious effort to make it plausible within the fictional context - even technology that was beyond the characters' grasp, like most Reaper tech.

The same does not apply to synthesis.

Emphasis mine. Response: not really. Even Star Trek used the main deflector deflector array to do whatever was needed at the shortest notice, including travelling to other dimensions, universes, and galaxies. Rotating frequencies also did wonders.

dont forget time travel by flying around the sun

[AtlasMickey]

ticklefist wrote...

It went from being my favorite and preferred ending to the ending to the ending I will never touch again. Was like night of the green eyed creeps.

lol, I know the feeling, but it's really an ilusstrative device that says, "we mean it."

[Most Definitely Sane]

themaltaproject wrote...

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

Synthesis got a little odder for me, actually.

When that husk attacked the soldier and then stopped, it looked like it had humanity again. Like, it can feel and think. At least, that's what I got from how confused it looked.

Does that mean that all of the husks from all the races can think again? Can they remember everything as a husk? And if that's the case, what are they going to do? Are they going to get some sort of magical surgery to become their old selves again? Are they just going to suck it up and deal, and just hope no one trys to kill them or act cruelly just because they're different? Or are they just going to go kill themselves?

Or am I just thinking too much?

They were reaper controlled. I would say it was more the reapers understanding them through the husks since having the name "husk" implies you are nothing more than that

Oh, that makes sense. A lot better than someone going crazy from being a husk.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Synthesis was very good, indeed.

[themaltaproject]

Total Biscuit wrote...

zephuurs wrote...

lol @ everyone complaining about space magic when the whole series is based on space magic.

brb, going to get a cup of eezo from the fridge

Eezo is fictional exotic matter with clearly defined properties, applications and effects, all of which were properly thought out and are 'realistic' enough to work in our own universe if it existed. It's also an origional way to get around relativity for FTL travel.

Biotics get somewhat trickier, since the basic idea of using electromagnetic impulses and computational power of the brain with the the in universe defined properties of Eezo should allow the manipulation of mass, and thus gravity fields, but gameplay mechanics and fun kind of throw that out the window. 

But the basic ideas behind it, and hypothetical science is fine and based on physics, even if it couldn't work in reality.

Synthesis is sheer impossibility based on a fundamental lack of understanding of any scientific field from Walters and Hudson, especially Biology. It's in no way realistic, believable, or anything other than pure 

It's pure smiley face with a wand and wizard hat? I don't follow your logic...

[Kawamura]

themaltaproject wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

The way that husk went after that man, I simply assumed the essence was a little intimate.

EDI had feelings before.

She had feelings but not feels, get it?

No. 

I AM AN INTRICATE, AND SUBTLE MOLECULAR MACHINE. WHY DID I NEED TO BE NON-CARBON BASED.

[themaltaproject]

Kawamura wrote...

themaltaproject wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

The way that husk went after that man, I simply assumed the essence was a little intimate.

EDI had feelings before.

She had feelings but not feels, get it?

No. 

I AM AN INTRICATE, AND SUBTLE MOLECULAR MACHINE. WHY DID I NEED TO BE NON-CARBON BASED.

To be fair just about everything is carbon based or has carbon in it.

[chuckles471]

themaltaproject wrote...

Eain wrote...

Only problem I have with synthesis is that it's still space magic and thus still makes no sense. Spacekid's elaboration on what it is makes no sense at all. "The essence of who and what I am will be sent out". Really now? And what, pray tell, is that essence exactly? Because it sounds like hocus pocus to me.

From a philosophical point of view the writers of this franchise keep treating organic life as inherently mystic. We're not. We're very easy to explain through sheer materialism alone. Humans have no such thing as an "essence of who and what they are." That's what 15th century clerics believed. They thought we had some sort of divine spark. We left that idea behind a long, long time ago.

When I jump into an intergalactic laserbeam, the only thing that's gonna happen is a lot of charred flesh.

That makes no sense how? Radiation changes your DNA easily. Sure it's a stretch but I really think that you confuse SPACE MAGIC and SCIENCE FICTION too much.

 
Radiation changes your DNA but 99.99999999999999999% it is bad.  That is why we haven't seen Godzilla attack tokyo. 

[themaltaproject]

chuckles471 wrote...

themaltaproject wrote...

Eain wrote...

Only problem I have with synthesis is that it's still space magic and thus still makes no sense. Spacekid's elaboration on what it is makes no sense at all. "The essence of who and what I am will be sent out". Really now? And what, pray tell, is that essence exactly? Because it sounds like hocus pocus to me.

From a philosophical point of view the writers of this franchise keep treating organic life as inherently mystic. We're not. We're very easy to explain through sheer materialism alone. Humans have no such thing as an "essence of who and what they are." That's what 15th century clerics believed. They thought we had some sort of divine spark. We left that idea behind a long, long time ago.

When I jump into an intergalactic laserbeam, the only thing that's gonna happen is a lot of charred flesh.

That makes no sense how? Radiation changes your DNA easily. Sure it's a stretch but I really think that you confuse SPACE MAGIC and SCIENCE FICTION too much.

 
Radiation changes your DNA but 99.99999999999999999% it is bad.  That is why we haven't seen Godzilla attack tokyo. 

My point wasn't that it is good, just that it does. :innocent:<3:(=]B)

^ I felt kinda left out that I was the only one not putting in emoticons

[WYLDMAXX]

themaltaproject wrote...


Also, synthesis was kind of hinted at with project overlord. I believe anyway

Control was the point of project Overlord.

Modifié par WYLDMAXX, 26 juin 2012 - 08:50 .

[themaltaproject]

WYLDMAXX wrote...

themaltaproject wrote...


Also, synthesis was kind of hinted at with project overlord. I believe anyway

Control was point of project Overlord.

True, but remember what happened to shepard? I can't remember the mentally challenged guys name but he was wired in to the mainfram and was a part of it until shepard took him down.

Control/synthesis hybrid maybe?

[Shaleist]

Synthesis was the unicorns and rainbows, Prozac ending.

[MattFini]

I watched Synthesis on YouTube and thought it was downright creepy.

None of my Shep's will ever impart that fiasco on the galaxy.

[themaltaproject]

Shaleist wrote...

Synthesis was the unicorns and rainbows, Prozac ending.

k

[Zehtuka]

I just did a perfect destroy ending but I am now seriously torn between my ending and synthesis. Save Shepard and rebuild our current society or sacrifice him/her for true peace and progress?

[LTKerr]

Eain wrote...

Oh, yeah, actually. Here is synthesis's second prime offense:

"I AM ALIVE."

You were alive before, EDI. Having absorbed someone's magical "essence of who and what they are" doesn't somehow make you more alive. I needed no further convincing that you lived the moment Joker unshackled you in ME2.

+1000000 And the same for the Geth.

I already saw EDI and the Geth as living beings, as people, long before ME3 endings. I don't need to destroy diversity, organic life, synthetic life and what makes every race unique and perfect in order to see synthetics as life. They are already life. I treat them as I treat every organic race, I treat them as people, each one as a person. Bioware wants to symbolize this treatment? Let the Geth be in the Council, treat them as an organic. Just... don't destroy everything, don't kill this beautiful diversity.

[themaltaproject]

Zehtuka wrote...

I just did a perfect destroy ending but I am now seriously torn between my ending and synthesis. Save Shepard and rebuild our current society or sacrifice him/her for true peace and progress?

I chose destroy, too. (Actually I say that, but I really shot at the star kid because I saw a thread titled "DONT SHOOT THE STARCHILD" on BSN before playing the EC and decided not to read why for spoilers. Little did I know I would have to play starting back at cronos station all because I wanted to see if it was an easter egg or not. I ended up saying F$*& that, and proceded to watch both endings on youtube)

[Sharkey1337]

EC's Synthesis ending is definitely the "unicorn and rainbows" fairy tale ending in that space magic brought peace and unification to everyone. It's definitely not my choice in ending, especially now. I was satisfied with Destroy, but was really surprised at how awesome Control turned out, it may be my new favorite.

Modifié par Sharkey1337, 26 juin 2012 - 08:55 .

[dorktainian]

OK I admit it.

I finally got to settle down tonight and I picked Synthesis.

Now this is kinda new for me cos under the old game I would never have picked it.

But hey ho..... actually it was quite good.





My only real complaint is WTF couldnt Bioware see that the ending as it was, was just rubbish? Now it's changed and it's far better. Still not what I was hoping for, but better.

[themaltaproject]

dorktainian wrote...

OK I admit it.

I finally got to settle down tonight and I picked Synthesis.

Now this is kinda new for me cos under the old game I would never have picked it.

But hey ho..... actually it was quite good.





My only real complaint is WTF couldnt Bioware see that the ending as it was, was just rubbish? Now it's changed and it's far better. Still not what I was hoping for, but better.

Welcome to the club! I gagged at the thought of synthesis back in march, but now I realise being a synthetic god is awesome. Plus it kinda matches what I imagine my favorite MMO is like. Gotta love that EVE

[themaltaproject]

Sharkey1337 wrote...

EC's Synthesis ending is definitely the "unicorn and rainbows" fairy tale ending in that space magic brought peace and unification to everyone. It's definitely not my choice in ending, especially now. I was satisfied with Destroy, but was really surprised at how awesome Control turned out, it may be my new favorite.

Gonna go watch control now. Only thing is I hear there are paragon and renegade options for Destroy and Control. What do they look like?

[dragondragon]

I was creeped out by the synthesis ending, everybody has green eyes and gets along with eachother, reminds me of too many horror movies. Besides have you actually saved anyone, when you have changed their essence? How is this different from turning them into reapers?

[Reorte]

The EC changes nothing about Synthesis to me; the whole EC Synthesis scene almost seems like propaganda.

[VRtheTrooper]

dragondragon wrote...

I was creeped out by the synthesis ending, everybody has green eyes and gets along with eachother, reminds me of too many horror movies. Besides have you actually saved anyone, when you have changed their essence? How is this different from turning them into reapers?

no one is controlling them.