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[TheSnappyDude]

interesting point

[MerchantGOL]

Refusal is a dumb choice, for dumb people, and a reminder that being stubborn is a bad trait

[Allan Schumacher]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Refusal is a dumb choice, for dumb people, and a reminder that being stubborn is a bad trait

Or it's a reflection that sometimes people would rather die for what they believe is right rather than compromise who they are.

I still picked the destroy ending, but I think this option is a good addition to the end of the game.


I adamantly disagree that it's a "dumb" choice though.  You can make a good argument that any of the choices are good or dumb IMO.

[Dusen]

IMO, the refusal ending epitomized the central ideals of the entire franchise up until this game. That being individual freedom, perserverence under pain, choosing one's own fate etc. It really should have led to a true ending without the reaper's winning, but oh well.

EDIT: The catalyst's demonic voice change really got me excited at first. . . then I realized that that was it, I had just killed everyone and nothing became of it. A let down indeed.

Modifié par Dusen, 27 juin 2012 - 07:14 .

[DnVill]

Tarheelram wrote...

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Hope that you can avoid the same mistakes we made.
We fought BioWare, but we failed to stop them.
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My user name is Tarheelram. Here lies why you should never buy a future BioWare game.


Nah, but the refusal ending was a huge let down. I really thought it had potential.

haha nice one 

[Xewaka]

I liked refusal. It just needed a "Problem?" Trollface after the end.

Modifié par Xewaka, 27 juin 2012 - 07:21 .

[cgtrfghj7]

When I first finished talking to the Starkid, I was so appalled at the lack of coherent and sound logic as to why it exists, why synthesis is actually not completely beyond the realm of plausibility, and why the reapers exist, that I immediately turned around and shot him, only to get this "refusal" ending.

it made me roflololololol

[iheartbob]

I accidentally chose reject my first time.

Can't even shoot at the Catalyst anymore. Now I have to sit through the diolog with TIM/Anderson and then the Catalyst again just to see the Synthesis ending I was trying to do.

[CYB3RFR34K]

as far as i understand,
destroying the reapers was Anderson choice.
controlling the reaper was the illusive man choice.
combining synthesis and organic was the starchild choice.
so that mean the only choice that left to shepard itself is the "reject" choice.

thanks for that extended cut! i just collected more valuable data about the starchild and his "creators".

i just love how "true" this new ending could be, life will always persist
No regrets!

Modifié par CYB3RFR34K, 27 juin 2012 - 07:25 .

[PsyrenY]

The best part about Refusal? For all you know, the next cycle built the Crucible and picked Synthesis themselves.

Now Shepard can stand in the ashes of a trillion souls, and ask the ghosts if honor mattered.

[Lakeshow1986]

Reapers don't win though, the next cycle beats them with the wealth of information ours provided. I still chose Destroy but I loved this option.

[jsimonye]

I agree with the Bioware guys, I chose the Destroy Option both times I finished the game (only finished it twice cause it was rough seeing my Shepard put through all that lol). But the Refuse option is nice addition to the game. If and when I play through all three games again as a rebel Shep, I'd chose that option. I hope they build on the final cut scene with Shep gasping for air! Least there is a hope for Shepard.

[jpraelster93]

The refusal option is biowares saying you dont like the endings we made we will kill you all

[Rahmiel]

John Epler wrote...

<snip>

Of all the endings, Control is still the most appropriate to my canon Shepard.

But to me? Refuse is the human option. It's making your own destiny and forging your own path. It's refusing the handouts of 'superior beings' (I don't trust Destroy - every other 'gift' the Reapers have offered, Mass Relays and helping the Geth has little hooks all over it) and choosing to go down fighting.

<snip>

I was with you up until here.  Control is the most appropriate?!  In the very next paragraph you say you don't trust destroy because of the reaper "gifts".  How is control not a gift?  I don't think destroy is a gift, I think it's the only one that won't come with strings attached.

The only thing that really bothers me about the refusal ending, is the fact that your cycle ends up losing.  I understand the point, that if you refuse it turns into a conventional war and naturally the reapers win.  The one thing I think clashes with it, is the theme throughout the whole series about technology and following in the footsteps of others.

At the end of ME3, you're given 3 choices that pretty much the starchild lays out for you and you can follow that.  Or, you can do what the theme of the series teaches you, and forge your own path.. only to get curb stomped.

I like the dlc, and the EC.  It clears a bunch of things up.  I think the main issue why I find the ending so disappointing is that the ME universe changes so radically for me.  Either all organic life and synthetics are changed against their will, or shepard becomes this omnipresent almost omniscient being, or shepard ends up failing and the reapers wipe us out.  In all those endings, I don't see any more games in this universe or "i.p."  And that makes me truly sad/frustrated.  Destroy keeps the universe pretty much as I know it.

I just don't want any prequels or the star wars treatment of "1000's of years in the future" essentially that we just played through kotor, but the actual ME universe games we'll be playing take place thousands of years after the events of ME3.

So ... from my perspective, destroy is the only ending that causes me the least amount of pain, and I'm sad to see edi and the geth go.  But at least legion already died.  So he wasn't around to witness my choice.  If I had to hear "shepard commander!  We do not understand your choice" as I was walking to shoot the conduit on the crucible.. I think I'd have to go with synthesis.. <puke>

[ArchLord James]

There is a moral to the ME3 story regarding the refuse ending and the much more favorable RGB endings now.

The lesson is can we swallow our pride enough to realize, that there are some forces in this universe that we can never defeat no matter how hard we try and no matter how "good/right" we are?

For example, no matter how hard they try, an army of 100 ants could never defeat an army of 10 men armed with RAID bug spray cans. At least not by conventional warfare means. So hey if the humans take pity on the ants and decide to compromise the ants better realize their limitations and take the charity! Otherwise its death and extermination waiting for them.

This is the lesson we can learn from ME3's story. Like it or not, the reapers are so far advanced they are like gods to us, and we are like ants to them. No matter how much we may want to bring them to justice on our terms it could never happen. Sometimes in life we have to be humble enough to realize our limitations. All those morals and convictions wont do us any good if were exterminated.

Modifié par ArchLord James, 27 juin 2012 - 07:47 .

[Allan Schumacher]

shepard commander! We do not understand your choice

OOOoooo. I got goose bumps imagining the opposite: "Shepard Commander! Make the choice. It's the only one to make."

[Baine10]

I turned around and shot the starboy(i hate him)

Guess what happened.

[ArchLord James]

Memmahkth wrote...

Control is the most appropriate?!  In the very next paragraph you say you don't trust destroy because of the reaper "gifts".  How is control not a gift?

Heh I get what your saying. I actually found  control to be the best ending for my cannon shepard as well. Control is the only option which simply removes the reapers without any strings attached that affect anybody except shepard. WIth red you sacrifice the geth (genocide), EDI, and all synthetic life to wipe out the reapers. WIth synthesis, your force it upon the entire galaxy. Only control allows shepard to sacrifice himself alone for the good of the galaxy and to me that is what a true hero would do. Sure he wants to stay organic and be with his LI but thats a bit selfish to sacrifice the geth and EDI for a chance at that right?

BTW, I loved when I was initially presented with control option by the catalyst, my shepard told him (paraphrased) "I dont like the idea of losing everything I have (organic form), I have come to far to lose everything" and the catalyst responds "I dont like the idea of being replaced by YOU! but the choice is what it is!" I LOL'd so hard at that!

[Fnork]

I like the refusal ending because it puts the other options into context. What I mean by that is that Control, Synthesis and Destroy by themselves didn't feel like anything my Shepard would go for. Now with the refusal ending added the choice suddenly becomes more complicated. Or rather, now it actually is a choice.

Sacrifice is about choice, about choosing to do something as opposed to being forced into it. I felt forced into going with RGB, none of which I felt fit my Shepard very well. Now that the refusal ending is added going with say Control or Synthesis feels more like a sacrifice for the greater good whereas before it felt like happily going along with Starchild.

[spockjedi]

I picked refusal by accident when I shot the child...

[ArchLord James]

Fnork wrote...

I like the refusal ending because it puts the other options into context. What I mean by that is that Control, Synthesis and Destroy by themselves didn't feel like anything my Shepard would go for. Now with the refusal ending added the choice suddenly becomes more complicated. Or rather, now it actually is a choice.

Sacrifice is about choice, about choosing to do something as opposed to being forced into it. I felt forced into going with RGB, none of which I felt fit my Shepard very well. Now that the refusal ending is added going with say Control or Synthesis feels more like a sacrifice for the greater good whereas before it felt like happily going along with Starchild.

Wow I think you just hit the nail on the head man! Great job. You just pinpointed something that I realize is what makes me likes the endings more now!

The endings are better simply because you are able to argue with the starchild and at the end you really feel like your choosing RGB because there is no other choice. Before EC, it felt too much like shepard was just happilly allying himself with the murderous reapers and going along with them. What a difference a little context makes. GJ again man you nailed it!

[babachewie]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Refusal is a stupid and selfish choice. Condemn the whole galaxy cause of stupid principles doesnt matter when you're all dead anyway. 

Yes, it was made stupid and selfish by the reasons put into Shepard's mouth - reasons nobody asked for. The actual reason people wanted to be able to refuse, was because they believed the catalyst to be a final deception, an indoctrination attempt, or something to that effect - in essense, you simply could not trust it, or what it claimed. That reason is not selfish - it is, given that thinking, the only possible way to have a chance of actually retaining one's mind, and maybe actually activating the device, and destroying the reapers.

Well it turns out he wasnt indoctrinated and the catalysts was real didnt it? So what people believed was wrong and ended up losing. So whoops. 

[mrpoultry]

Oh no it is the best choice. If my Shep can't be hammered like a bent nail over the bonnet of a Tennakont by Garrus then EVERYBODY dies. NO compromises.

Modifié par mrpoultry, 27 juin 2012 - 08:21 .

[ArchLord James]

mrpoultry wrote...

Oh no it is the best choice. If my Shep can't be hammered like a bent nail over the bonnet of a Tennakont by Garrus then EVERYBODY dies. NO compromises.

LMAO when i read this and looked at his sig:lol:

[Aiyie]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Refusal is a dumb choice, for dumb people, and a reminder that being stubborn is a bad trait

Or it's a reflection that sometimes people would rather die for what they believe is right rather than compromise who they are.

I still picked the destroy ending, but I think this option is a good addition to the end of the game.


I adamantly disagree that it's a "dumb" choice though.  You can make a good argument that any of the choices are good or dumb IMO.

ill actually go with this.

i never liked the crucible in the first place to be honest.

it felt like any option you picked to "win" was a result of what someone else did.  control, destroy, synthesis... the results of all three options were not Shepard, or humanity, or asari, or anyone's doing... they were the result of the catalyst's choice.

refusal is the only choice that is ours and ours alone.

the Reaper's were built up to be undefeatable by our cycle without the intervention of something beyond our control (the crucible and catalyst)... and it felt wrong to be forced to use the crucible to defeat them.

i like to think that the eventual defeat of the Reapers in the next cycle was as a result of something besides the crucible, and that Shepard, via Liara's time capsule, became something like Javik... the last voice of humanity, an instrument of the Reaper's defeat that didn't originate with the Reaper's themselves.