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[Moofy76]

Lalalandia wrote...
I don't agree with the idea that AI are inherently trustworthy, after all if the goal of AI is a truly 'thinking' machine then the ability to lie is almost a given (it's identified as a developmental stage in children where the child has come to understand consequences and desires to escape them).

Honestly I don't really either, but I am not shepard and in whatever year in space they are in with such advanced technology.. I wanted to end the Geth and blow Legion out of the lock too.. but I didn't cos in that time you'd probably feel a lot different about AI.. maybe??

The thing with the catalyst though, is why would it lie? It's ultimate goal is to restoer the balance for organic in teh galaxy right? If it could like it would probably have deviated from it's ways and gone the synthetic route or something. But no it never has, hell it even tells you that you can replace it as the controller and it's not too keen n that but it will accept it.

I can't really say whta an AI would do compared to a childdeveloping the ability to lie.. I mean as long as it's higher priority paramaters are being met.. why would it?

It never engages with the 'why' it thinks that organic/sentient conflict is a given and if it has been doing this for countless cycles it's never given any civilisation the chance to try. The Reapers were the Catalyst's solution to this 'issue' so if it won't even begin to engage in a debate on whether that is a valid base assumption then the odds of it accepting there are other ways seem remote to me.

Yeah it says why, because AI/synthetics are always improved to being perfected, they surpass their creators, then overtake them. Hence why the reaper option came up as a last resort for the origianl creators.
About the debate, I don't think it knows which i prefers. Well I think it actually prefers synthesis as it's viewed as the ultimate evolution. But tells you all the options to choose.

Really it comes down to my dislike of Deus Ex Machina and the 'three choices, pick one' ending that seems to disregard so much of what made me fall in love with ME1. ME1 seemed to pushing a 'diversity is hard but the bestest' message and ME2 seemed to built around your team (the main plot hurt my head but that crew were awesome). Out of nowhere ME3 becomes 'synthetics vs organics deathmatch' right at the end asking me to run counter to the philosophy that had me waste three hours of my time redoing Rannoch. These endings make sense if you accept that ME was about synthetics vs organics but I don't.

I understand wher eyou're coming from, I didn't actually play much ME1 and got into it from ME2 a lot but I know the storyline etc, after playing ME3 though and understanding it all I can see how ME2 came together with it. And I can see the whole idea behind the catalyst and it all makes perfect sense to me, maybe not some of the ME1 bits just for not playing it thoroughly. Maybe that's why I'm happier with it? haha

[Uncle Jo]

F00lishG wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

My new canon ending. Don't buy the logic of the brat. Shooting him was really... satisfying.

How sad. It's almost worth feeling sorry for.

Thanks for your concern, I was almost touched.

[Moofy76]

Aurvant wrote...
Didn't use the Crucible. Liara specifically states that it did not work. There
is no reason to believe that the future generations would build it.
Especially considering that we must assume that Shepard never left The
Citadel and the only person who would have known about the choices given
by the Catalyst was Shepard.

I repeat again: LIARA STATES THAT THE CRUCIBLE DID NOT WORK (you clearly didn't listen to her archive message).

The future cycles must have found a different way to defeat The Reapers.

You don't KNOW that at all that it's not created or used!  They might think that she's some researcher/scientist who died before it was actually put to use and they end up using it anyway.

Meaning.. Just cos Liara said it didn't work, doesn't mean that
it won't work. That time capsule was a pre-recording from before they went to earth, planted at the same time too probably. Now if I was in the next cycle I'd be thinking that they just didn't complete it properly or something, it might be their only option and worth researching into. They might think that she's some researcher/scientist who died before it was actaully put to use and they end up using it anyway.

The would probably know that it connects up like it did and think it's close to the solution. All I'm saying is don't eliminate the option just cos some scientist said it didn't work!

Modifié par Moofy76, 27 juin 2012 - 05:57 .

[F00lishG]

Uncle Jo wrote...

F00lishG wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

My new canon ending. Don't buy the logic of the brat. Shooting him was really... satisfying.

How sad. It's almost worth feeling sorry for.

Thanks for your concern, I was almost touched.

roflmao, you I like. 

[AlexMBrennan]

They did this through Liara's capsule, this showed them how to build the crucible which would lead them to one of the three options you refused, and chose one.

And how do you know this? Are you Casey Hudson? If not, you cannot know this. For all we know, Liara's capsule was found way, way sooner (thanks to her not assuming that everyone was using the protheans' special kind of telepathic space magic), allowing the next cycle to actually prepare (remember: work on the Crucible start *after* the invasion) and understand the Crucible (remember: Shepard has *no clue* about anything, and it works out anyway because... space magic?).

[Zix13]

Moofy76 wrote...

Did you read my comment? There's no point in arguing the trust issue, you have no reason to trust it, and several reasons not to. You don't know have any real information on the outcomes except for destroy, but that of course, is provided the catalyst isn't lying. You also don't know that your side will lose to the reapers. 

If someone has been trying to kill you for a few years, then tells you to jump into a laser or electricute yourself because it will save the world, would you believe them? Reapers are known to be masters of manipulation. Unless you're role-playing your shep as an idiot, you shouldn't be so trusting.

You believe the catalyst is telling the truth (mostly) for the above reasons, you said you don't know your side will ose to the Reapers? Are you kidding?? It's been drilled into you throughout the whole entire game that the Crucible is the only way.

Yet the codex says: "Conventional victory is theoretically possible. " Also, Hackett, who has failed to impress with his tactics, is the one who keeps saying "we cannot win" . However, I'm not saying it would be a "here come the cavalry" type victory. You'd be looking at hundreds of years in all likelyhood, relying on the difficulty the reapers have in replenishing their numbers and the tech gathered from them over that time. Hardly ideal, but still better than synthesis. 

[DerBrystar]

If anything the Rorschach way out ("Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never Compromise.") for Shepard is something I like and respect. Apparently we weren't getting any new endings so that was interesting.

Not as interesting as seeing the Normandy make like a magic huey now, descending from the fight above in ludicrous speed (which in a game that's meant to go on about the laws of newton seems insane) to hang like a pinata in front of an angry slaughter machine. Maybe Joker lives on the same fantasy island bubble that Nikolai of Modern Warfare seems to be: local taxi driver anywhere in time and space. Kind of defeats the "Artistic Integrity" dead parrot defence they used when they make such sloppiness.

To quote Not the Nine O'Clock News, Nice Video. Shame about the song.

Modifié par DerBrystar, 27 juin 2012 - 09:49 .

[Annihilator27]

Quick question.In the refusal ending is it assumed that the cycle beats the Reaper? You still get that congratulations thing.But I see people say that the cycle in that time used the Crucible to stop the Reapers.....So if thats all true,Why didnt the Cataylst destroy the Crucible after out cycle.Speculation

[a9fc]

M2S SOLID JOSH wrote...

as someone said on youtube- "refusal is just a big "f*ck you" from bioware to people who wanted a new ending"

that - lol

[a9fc]

annihilator27 wrote...

Quick question.In the refusal ending is it assumed that the cycle beats the Reaper? You still get that congratulations thing.But I see people say that the cycle in that time used the Crucible to stop the Reapers.....So if thats all true,Why didnt the Cataylst destroy the Crucible after out cycle.Speculation

no...the cycle repeats...so the shepard cycle lost.

The crucible is a power source that in and of itself is neutral...so why should it be destroyed? If I would keep it the morons in the last cycle boosted me power to rule the galaxy.

[Bomma72]

a9fc wrote...

M2S SOLID JOSH wrote...

as someone said on youtube- "refusal is just a big "f*ck you" from bioware to people who wanted a new ending"

that - lol

Someone else on youtube said "refusal is a big F-you but bioware gave us a way to say F-your back"

This.

[Annihilator27]

a9fc wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

Quick question.In the refusal ending is it assumed that the cycle beats the Reaper? You still get that congratulations thing.But I see people say that the cycle in that time used the Crucible to stop the Reapers.....So if thats all true,Why didnt the Cataylst destroy the Crucible after out cycle.Speculation

no...the cycle repeats...so the shepard cycle lost.

The crucible is a power source that in and of itself is neutral...so why should it be destroyed? If I would keep it the morons in the last cycle boosted me power to rule the galaxy.

I know the cycle reapets,But someone people say(Speculation) that the next cycle would use the cruicible to destroy the Reapers.Im just saying the Catalyst shouldve destroyed the Crucible after the Shepard Cycle.But I like your explanation for it not doing so,I didnt think of that.

[Bomma72]

annihilator27 wrote...

a9fc wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

Quick question.In the refusal ending is it assumed that the cycle beats the Reaper? You still get that congratulations thing.But I see people say that the cycle in that time used the Crucible to stop the Reapers.....So if thats all true,Why didnt the Cataylst destroy the Crucible after out cycle.Speculation

no...the cycle repeats...so the shepard cycle lost.

The crucible is a power source that in and of itself is neutral...so why should it be destroyed? If I would keep it the morons in the last cycle boosted me power to rule the galaxy.

I know the cycle reapets,But someone people say(Speculation) that the next cycle would use the cruicible to destroy the Reapers.Im just saying the Catalyst shouldve destroyed the Crucible after the Shepard Cycle.But I like your explanation for it not doing so,I didnt think of that.

They made a better Crucible because they had more time.

Everyone stop saying we shot the Catalyst, you don't have to shoot him to get the refusal ending.  At least know what you are talking about.  Also next cycle distroyed the reapers without fighting them.

see--www.youtube.com/watch

You people are just trolling.