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[BLAHBLUE2001]

I haven't done the extended endings yet, only watched on YouTube. However destroy and probably refuse will be the only options my paragon shep will be taking. I can't stand the space magic and I'll just head cannon that EDI and the Geth are just fine just like I did before.

Sorry star brat but you need to go! *points paladin to red pipe*

[vanom66]

I like destroy also people say that the universe becomes as it was pre-reaper threat I believe it doesn't we brought a whole galaxy united many nation could possibly had flourished during event of this conflict I.E krogan , quarians . Hackett even reflects that in the narration at the possibilities of the different cultures working together without the reaper threat (not as a rapid progression as the others but still it's grand) . So I stand by to this ending , sacrifices must made unfortunately .

R.I.P   E.D.I , Geth society ..

Modifié par vanom66, 27 juin 2012 - 05:25 .

[Arios1570]

My Shepard can now relax on Rannoch with Tali after finishing the construction of their house. I think this ending is acceptable now. I would LOVE an ending where conventional victory is possible, but this is good for now.

[DextroDNA]

Arios1570 wrote...

My Shepard can now relax on Rannoch with Tali after finishing the construction of their house. I think this ending is acceptable now. I would LOVE an ending where conventional victory is possible, but this is good for now.

This!
Through Destroy we can fulfill all our promises to our friends etc. Life continues as normal until lizard men from another Galaxy invade, take over the Citadel to use it as a laser-beam conduit and plan on taking over the Milky Way (my idea for ME4).

[DextroDNA]

-Double post-

Modifié par RussianZombeh, 27 juin 2012 - 07:06 .

[Ozzyfan223]

agreed. Destroy is THE best ending, no question.

[Leeloo Multipass]

CommanderWilliams wrote...

What? Honestly, I'd say Destroy is the worst now. So Shepard lives.

In both Control (Best) and Synthesis the entire galaxy unifies and becomes 10x stronger. Who's to say what happens in Destroy?

Synthesis: Basically the entire galaxy becomes little Reapers. The Reapers get exactly what they wanted. The final stage of evolution = reapers everywhere. What about when new life grows and evolves? Will they be forced to synthesize as well or face destruction? I don't see how this ended the cycle.

Control: This is just ominous. Honestly, Shep isn't even Shep anymore. He's a Reaper with Shep's will and memories. No way that wouldn't go wrong somewhere down the road. Again, what about when new life shows up and evolves? Reaper-shep made it sound an awful lot like he'd destroy anything new at the drop of a hat. And with both of these endings, the galaxy is STILL under Reaper influence. The Reapers are still able to guide the way organic/synthetic life will evolve. That's just messed up...

The only way the galaxy is truly able to gain its freedom is through the Destroy ending. It's bittersweet for that very reason. The hardest choice to make because freedom has to come at a great cost. It is the BEST ending. There is no doubt. Whether Shepard lives or dies is irrelevant.

(Edit: Quoted wrong post)

Modifié par LeeluMultipass, 27 juin 2012 - 07:25 .

[sTARheels]

agree with this thread. and even though the shep LI reunion is heavily (and officially, i guess) implied, not visually seeing it is gonna be a thorn in my side forever.

we see krogan babies but bioware y u no show us blue babies???

[Avarenda]

Claym0re wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...
Shepard lives.

I dont have the 5000+ asset so can someone tell me how is it confirmed he lives?

If you're interested in a brief recap type thing of the endings i wrote one here.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12794263

[Warrior Craess]

Destroy is only the best ending for some players. Personally given that I play games to be the hero, and to be the protector, there is something very appealing about the paragon control ending.

The citadel and relays are rebuilt, the Geth are still sentient, EDI and joker are still a pair. And my Shepard gets to be an immortal protector of life. All life, synthetic and organic. Not too mention that if I want I can still interact with my LI via synthetic life-form, or simple cloning and downloading my memories and thoughts.

[Elite Midget]

Refusal is the best but since you lose because it isn't color coded than Destroy has it beat. The other choices simply don't stay true to Shepard or what you've been fighting for in the past 3 games. EC hasn't changed that.

[Warrior Craess]

LeeluMultipass wrote...

CommanderWilliams wrote...

What? Honestly, I'd say Destroy is the worst now. So Shepard lives.

In both Control (Best) and Synthesis the entire galaxy unifies and becomes 10x stronger. Who's to say what happens in Destroy?

Synthesis: Basically the entire galaxy becomes little Reapers. The Reapers get exactly what they wanted. The final stage of evolution = reapers everywhere. What about when new life grows and evolves? Will they be forced to synthesize as well or face destruction? I don't see how this ended the cycle.

Control: This is just ominous. Honestly, Shep isn't even Shep anymore. He's a Reaper with Shep's will and memories. No way that wouldn't go wrong somewhere down the road. Again, what about when new life shows up and evolves? Reaper-shep made it sound an awful lot like he'd destroy anything new at the drop of a hat. And with both of these endings, the galaxy is STILL under Reaper influence. The Reapers are still able to guide the way organic/synthetic life will evolve. That's just messed up...

The only way the galaxy is truly able to gain its freedom is through the Destroy ending. It's bittersweet for that very reason. The hardest choice to make because freedom has to come at a great cost. It is the BEST ending. There is no doubt. Whether Shepard lives or dies is irrelevant.

(Edit: Quoted wrong post)

umm actually my paragon shepard control ending didn't sound that way at all. At least not to my ears. I am of the opinion that I will be a protector, of all life, not just those currently in existance.  

[Warrior Craess]

Elite Midget wrote...

Refusal is the best but since you lose because it isn't color coded than Destroy has it beat. The other choices simply don't stay true to Shepard or what you've been fighting for in the past 3 games. EC hasn't changed that.

bah refusal is a very poor choice.  Shepard isn't fighting to destroy the reaper no matter the cost.  S/he's fighting to save lives (humans or all depending on how xenophobic you player). The real betrayal of Shepards ideology would be to sacrifice all live in the galaxy just so that s/he doesn't have to make a distasteful choice. 

not to mention that refusal occomplishes nothing that the destroy option doesn't.  So how can refusing to commit genocide of 1 race be better than allowing genocide to be committed on all races?  

[Leeloo Multipass]

Warrior Craess wrote...

LeeluMultipass wrote...

CommanderWilliams wrote...

What? Honestly, I'd say Destroy is the worst now. So Shepard lives.

In both Control (Best) and Synthesis the entire galaxy unifies and becomes 10x stronger. Who's to say what happens in Destroy?

Control: This is just ominous. Honestly, Shep isn't even Shep anymore. He's a Reaper with Shep's will and memories. No way that wouldn't go wrong somewhere down the road. Again, what about when new life shows up and evolves? Reaper-shep made it sound an awful lot like he'd destroy anything new at the drop of a hat. And with both of these endings, the galaxy is STILL under Reaper influence. The Reapers are still able to guide the way organic/synthetic life will evolve. That's just messed up...

umm actually my paragon shepard control ending didn't sound that way at all. At least not to my ears. I am of the opinion that I will be a protector, of all life, not just those currently in existance.  

His words were something along the lines of "I will destroy anything that threatens yadayadayada...."

So what does this Reaper-Shep consider a threat? We don't know. Maybe mosquitos will evolve into greater organic beings and try to make nice with the rest of the galaxy but have some new ideals which dont match the original Shepard's ideals. Will they be smushed? How far does this go? We don't know, but it still seems risky (in my opinion because, heaven forbid, we all have one)

And my other point still stands. The galaxy is not standing with their own strength. They are not truly free. They are being "guided"..."protected"...whatever you want to call it (...repressed...) by reapers and reaper tech.

Modifié par LeeluMultipass, 27 juin 2012 - 07:55 .

[stysiaq]

Destroy is still the best ending.

I didn't know the other Geth. Quarians can rebuild them, they probably know how. The Reaper Tech is flying around in spades, so getting a Reaper code will not be that hard to get(h).

I sacrifice one friend, and her sacrifice will be honored in coming empire.
And I didn't sacrifice my brain on Synthesis' altar, nor did I become a creepy godlike creature. Control screams "DE ripoff" for me now.

[darthnick427]

Hell yeah bro. Destroy is the best all the way

Modifié par darthnick427, 27 juin 2012 - 07:45 .

[Sohlito]

Destroy is, and will always be, my choice no matter if it's a paragon or renegade Shep.

[Warrior Craess]

LeeluMultipass wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

LeeluMultipass wrote...

CommanderWilliams wrote...

What? Honestly, I'd say Destroy is the worst now. So Shepard lives.

In both Control (Best) and Synthesis the entire galaxy unifies and becomes 10x stronger. Who's to say what happens in Destroy?

Control: This is just ominous. Honestly, Shep isn't even Shep anymore. He's a Reaper with Shep's will and memories. No way that wouldn't go wrong somewhere down the road. Again, what about when new life shows up and evolves? Reaper-shep made it sound an awful lot like he'd destroy anything new at the drop of a hat. And with both of these endings, the galaxy is STILL under Reaper influence. The Reapers are still able to guide the way organic/synthetic life will evolve. That's just messed up...

umm actually my paragon shepard control ending didn't sound that way at all. At least not to my ears. I am of the opinion that I will be a protector, of all life, not just those currently in existance.  

His words were something along the lines of "I will destroy anything that threatens yadayadayada...."

So what does this Reaper-Shep consider a threat? We don't know. Maybe mosquitos will evolve into greater organic beings and try to make nice with the rest of the galaxy but have some new ideals which dont match the original Shepard's ideals. Will they be smushed? How far does this go? We don't know, but it still seems risky (in my opinion because, heaven forbid, we all have one)

And my other point still stands. The galaxy is not standing with their own strength. They are not truly free. They are being "guided"..."protected"...whatever you want to call it (...repressed...) by reapers and reaper tech.

you didn't have enough paragon pts then... 
  not a single utterance of the word destroy. "I will protect and sustain", "I will act as gaurdian"  and "to provide a voice for those too weak to speak for themselves" ... Much more noble than the renegade option of control.  Pretty much exactly what my war hero shepard would do (and did to become a war hero in the first place).  So with the high paragon control ending, the galaxy can continue on it's own, stand on their own strengths.  No more fear of the Krogan rebellions re-occuring, not more worries of the rachni (both species that I saved btw) attacking, no more worries of the Geth hunting down all organics.  

Petty conflicts? not my place to stop them, but then thats how MY shepard would behave, yours may be different. Which is something that couldn't be said in the original release. Everyones shepard was the same (with in the few choices available)

[Leeloo Multipass]

Warrior Craess wrote...

you didn't have enough paragon pts then... 
  not a single utterance of the word destroy. "I will protect and sustain", "I will act as gaurdian"  and "to provide a voice for those too weak to speak for themselves" ... Much more noble than the renegade option of control.  Pretty much exactly what my war hero shepard would do (and did to become a war hero in the first place).  So with the high paragon control ending, the galaxy can continue on it's own, stand on their own strengths.  No more fear of the Krogan rebellions re-occuring, not more worries of the rachni (both species that I saved btw) attacking, no more worries of the Geth hunting down all organics.  

Petty conflicts? not my place to stop them, but then thats how MY shepard would behave, yours may be different. Which is something that couldn't be said in the original release. Everyones shepard was the same (with in the few choices available)

Again, my other point still stands. The galaxy is not standing with their
own strength. They are not truly free. They are being
"guided"..."protected"...whatever you want to call it (...repressed...) by reapers and reaper tech.

It's not freedom. Noble though it may seem, the galaxy is not free.

The paragon version sounds much less ominous, I agree (apart from the uber creepy music) but it's still a reliance on reaper tech. Shepard was unwilling to pay the price of true freedom. And the Reaper-Shep says it many times...he is not Shepard anymore. YOUR Shepard no longer exists.

[Cyran127]

RussianZombeh wrote...

SuperVulcan wrote...

But what about Synthesis? Peace, EDI feels alive and everyone has freaky green eyes and remind me of husks.

Yeah, because life is going to be so much better be a freak of nature (or a freak of technology). Everyone thinks like a machine and is best buddies with the Reapers. The next ME game, you play as a Reaper and have to deliver shipments to the Alliance and befriend everyone.

And it's not like there weren't wars or conflict before synthetics.  Synthesis ending is still stupid and the reasoning and logic behind it still don't make sense, but at least the end result is explained better.

[Dezerte]

Refusal is the only thing that comes close to making sense. Too bad they didn't expand on that.

[AlphaDormante]

Loving all my Destroy brothers and sisters.

We're awesome.

[Warrior Craess]

LeeluMultipass wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

you didn't have enough paragon pts then... 
  not a single utterance of the word destroy. "I will protect and sustain", "I will act as gaurdian"  and "to provide a voice for those too weak to speak for themselves" ... Much more noble than the renegade option of control.  Pretty much exactly what my war hero shepard would do (and did to become a war hero in the first place).  So with the high paragon control ending, the galaxy can continue on it's own, stand on their own strengths.  No more fear of the Krogan rebellions re-occuring, not more worries of the rachni (both species that I saved btw) attacking, no more worries of the Geth hunting down all organics.  

Petty conflicts? not my place to stop them, but then thats how MY shepard would behave, yours may be different. Which is something that couldn't be said in the original release. Everyones shepard was the same (with in the few choices available)

Again, my other point still stands. The galaxy is not standing with their
own strength. They are not truly free. They are being
"guided"..."protected"...whatever you want to call it (...repressed...) by reapers and reaper tech.

It's not freedom. Noble though it may seem, the galaxy is not free.

The paragon version sounds much less ominous, I agree (apart from the uber creepy music) but it's still a reliance on reaper tech. Shepard was unwilling to pay the price of true freedom. And the Reaper-Shep says it many times...he is not Shepard anymore. YOUR Shepard no longer exists.

My shepard may no longer exist but his motivation, ideology and memories do. basicall everything that makes a person a person still exists. 

re·press   /riˈpres/Verb:
1:Subdue (someone or something) by force.
2: Restrain or prevent (the expression of a feeling).


While the paragon control may meet the first definition (and I accept that that possiblity exists) when someone/thing threatens life as we know it, there is nothing that suggests that the second definition is accurate. 

As for the reliance on reaper tech somewho being a repression, a removale of free will or expression,  your daft.  Nothing suggests that control requires the races to only follow the technological direction of the reapers. Shepard Catalyst isn't interested in limiting growth allong predictable patterns in order to more easily harvest them. 

Another point is I never saw "freedom" from reaper tech as being all that important to shepard. Freedom to live with out threat of annilation though would be very high on most soldiers good things list. 

Modifié par Warrior Craess, 27 juin 2012 - 04:42 .

[Leeloo Multipass]

Warrior Craess wrote...

My shepard may no longer exist but his motivation, ideology and memories do. basicall everything that makes a person a person still exists. 

re·press   /riˈpres/Verb:
1:Subdue (someone or something) by force.
2: Restrain or prevent (the expression of a feeling).


While the paragon control may meet the first definition (and I accept that that possiblity exists) when someone/thing threatens life as we know it, there is nothing that suggests that the second definition is accurate. 

As for the reliance on reaper tech somewho being a repression, a removale of free will or expression,  your daft.  Nothing suggests that control requires the races to only follow the technological direction of the reapers. Shepard Catalyst isn't interested in limiting growth allong predictable patterns in order to more easily harvest them. 

Another point is I never saw "freedom" from reaper tech as being all that important to shepard. Freedom to live with out threat of annilation though would be very high on most soldiers good things list. 

I'm impressed to see you feel strongly enough about your opinion to continue arguing the same point. Unfortunately, it is only that: an opinion. I could continue to pull out quotes from all 3 games of Shepard insisting that the Reapers must die, and that controlling them is NOT an option, but it's honestly a waste of time because most players have already made their peace with whatever decision. What point is there in trying to change anyone else's mind? I don't think anyone is more intelligent or noble because they made one decision or another at the end of a video game trilogy.

You have to admit that every ending requires the player to make something up at the end. You choose to imagine that Shepard's will is absolute and that nothing could ever go wrong 50,000 years down the road. However, I simply cannot accept that after seeing everything that the Reapers are capable of.

The fact is that most people (at least those participating in discussion on the BSN) agree that destroy is the best outcome. Some may agree with my line of thought, some may simply want to see their Shepard alive at the end at any cost. Whatever the case, destroy is winning so far as the most desired outcome.

social.bioware.com/poll.php

[kalpain]

Pain Train wrote...

In my opinion, destroy IS the best and only ending. Reason? The fact that Shepard "lives". IF Shepard survived there is no reason to believe that other synthetics (like EDI or other Geth) did not also survive. So in short, the Catalyst lied about the destruction of NON-reaper synthetics. That is the only logical conclusion you can make from "the breath".

In addition, all full synthetics are nothing more than electronic machines and software when you come down to it. How can you destroy JUST synthetic electronics and not every other electronic device in the universe? (medical devices, starships, weapons...) Clearly that didn't happen give the comments and images in the epilogs. More proof that the Catalyst lied in my mind. Anyway, that's my story and I am sticking to it.

I wish I could find the thread on here where someone quoted or mentioned that Patrick Weekes implied that the Catalyst might be lying about all AI dying.  I choose to believe that EDI and the Geth some how survived considering Shepherd did as well.  Yeah I know it's all head canon but since Bioware says we won't be getting any more DLC that occurs after the ending then it's just as valid as any other speculations about what comes next...