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[bult0055]

cardfranz wrote...

Hello everyone. Unfortunately I'm not very happy about this change. I, like others,prefer to get character cards, instead of rare ammo. After having promoted my 6 classes, with the money earned, I buy Specter Premium pack to bring back to a decent level my characters, then to start again. Of course with the hope of getting even upgrades N7 weapons.
One of my friends tried the deforming ammo IV, but he was not happy.He felt that the bullets were better level 1. Maybe its efficacy does not justify their price.......imho

A possible solution could be to maintain the old Specter Premium pack with character cards and add,at the same price (99000 credits),another package (e.g. Specter Ammo Premium pack) with the same opportunity to obtain weapons N7 but the only option to get the rare ammo instead of the rare character cards

I'm sorry for my bad english!

I totally agree with you!!! I play the same way!

Modifié par bult0055, 28 juin 2012 - 02:26 .

[Friction2600]

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

X-Com_Psi_Amp wrote...



Why the heck would you want a CC that only gives EXP over a consumable?

Because I don't need to use consumables maybe? 
So at this point I prefer to have the chance to level up a class to level 6 without wasting at least 40 minutes in 2 silver matches since I can't play more than 2 hours a day. 

if you cant go from level 1 to 7 in one silver match taking about 18minutes. then you could really use the experience gained from actually playing your characters....

[Friction2600]

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

Gornok wrote...

 gear and consumables are more helpful on gold

if you are a bad player, yes.
and...I'm not an "elite" that can solo gold, but I learnt to play gold with random and learnt to not waste cosumable because people rage quits or connection fails, or they don't use rockets, medigel at the right time.
consumables are for sissies.

looking at your gear, i would have to say that you do use equipment as you are lacking in it. there is very little chance your weapons standings would look as good as they do without you also getting a ton of equipment. and since you "don't use it" then you should have way more of it than you actually do. just saying...

[Gornok]

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

Gornok wrote...

 gear and consumables are more helpful on gold

if you are a bad player, yes.
and...I'm not an "elite" that can solo gold, but I learnt to play gold with random and learnt to not waste cosumable because people rage quits or connection fails, or they don't use rockets, medigel at the right time.
consumables are for sissies.

Its doesn't take an elite person to use strategem... and your words don't match your achievements or manifest... It doesn't make you one to use all at your disposal... plus... its what its there for. I have yet to see one have an inventory of ammo/weapon/equipment maxed out... or continuously maintain their other consumables at high levels for a rather long time, because it goes with the game...

I have more issue with someone which allows themselves to die out or get stomped on in a game while waiting on someone to get them up... I understand to the last moment, but to really allow yourself to die in order to save a medi gel?

I understand none on bronze, to a point on silver, but if you don't use them on gold... when do you actually get use of them? there are no other options than the three. and you will continue to get them in packs in the search of your weapons... unless you can max out 3 levels of ammo in veteran and spectre packs to limit those options... what's the chance of that happening? near impossible

[TrveOmegaSlayer]

Friction2600 wrote...

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

Gornok wrote...

 gear and consumables are more helpful on gold

if you are a bad player, yes.
and...I'm not an "elite" that can solo gold, but I learnt to play gold with random and learnt to not waste cosumable because people rage quits or connection fails, or they don't use rockets, medigel at the right time.
consumables are for sissies.

looking at your gear, i would have to say that you do use equipment as you are lacking in it. there is very little chance your weapons standings would look as good as they do without you also getting a ton of equipment. and since you "don't use it" then you should have way more of it than you actually do. just saying...

I think you pulled this assumption just out of your bum.
Looking at a guy's manifest (or N7) to understand a player habit and skills is presumptuos.
I've got 174 level III consumables and around 230 rare stuff.
But remember that PSPs, the only ones I buy have 2 rare cards and 1 consumable, so...
don't try to figure out players' habits from manifests because it's fail.
Maybe you should have also looked at the quantity of med-gels (198) Clips, Missiles and Ops Pack (255, 255, 255), that might say something more

[Leland Gaunt]

CC's were a lot more useful than some LVL 4 consumable which you can only use one time and which are not that great anyway. I personally am not too happy with the changes, I liked it better the way it was. PSP's now just aren't worth the 99k anymore with the new content. You could better buy 3 JEP's, that's way more useful,

Modifié par Leland Gaunt, 28 juin 2012 - 03:07 .

[Feauce]

Even if we would've gotten a useless (or XP-only) character card instead of the consumables we're now getting, it doesn't feel like any less of a waste to many of us. For the people that have everything Rare and lower unlocked except maybe some gear, it's a different situation and they're probably thankful to be getting something at least semi-useful. For those of us that still have plenty of Uncommon/Rare unlocks to get, it's quite frustrating to think of opening a Premium pack and seeing nothing but consumables in it.

If we haven't gotten a comment from BioWare regarding prioritizing usable weapon/gear/etc unlock cards (usable in that it's not capped yet) over these new ammo packs, I'd like to hear what they have to say. If we have, would someone be so kind as to link the forum/blog post?

[TrveOmegaSlayer]

Gornok wrote...

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

Gornok wrote...

 gear and consumables are more helpful on gold

if you are a bad player, yes.
and...I'm not an "elite" that can solo gold, but I learnt to play gold with random and learnt to not waste cosumable because people rage quits or connection fails, or they don't use rockets, medigel at the right time.
consumables are for sissies.

Its doesn't take an elite person to use strategem... and your words don't match your achievements or manifest... It doesn't make you one to use all at your disposal... plus... its what its there for. I have yet to see one have an inventory of ammo/weapon/equipment maxed out... or continuously maintain their other consumables at high levels for a rather long time, because it goes with the game...

I have more issue with someone which allows themselves to die out or get stomped on in a game while waiting on someone to get them up... I understand to the last moment, but to really allow yourself to die in order to save a medi gel?

I understand none on bronze, to a point on silver, but if you don't use them on gold... when do you actually get use of them? there are no other options than the three. and you will continue to get them in packs in the search of your weapons... unless you can max out 3 levels of ammo in veteran and spectre packs to limit those options... what's the chance of that happening? near impossible

tell me, what do you play the game for?
I play the game for fun, I hate to use rockets unless I'm forced because the whole team is at risk for example.
For me it's "chickenin' out" and removing the challenge.
So yeah, I'm not interested to use them, I don't care if they max out, I hope.
And the point is that YOU shouldn't care if I use them or not.
As I said earlier, I've got no problem in having consumables, I just want character cards, I'm fine with both, but character cards make my gaming habits easier.
I don't ask to remove the consumables, I ask to have choice and not to remove what people likes.
That's the difference

[Friction2600]

you still havent told us why you cant be bothered to play a silver match with a level 1. and if you can only play gold with your level 20's then don't promote any more if you cannot be bothered with actually advancing your skill set. a silver match with a level 1 should still be the leader or close as long as he/she knows how to play. the levels really dont mean that much as long as you have decent weapons and dont play like a newbie. and yes you have your medigels maxed and your rockets maxed. but i'm talking about your equipment ie the consumables such as ammo, armor, weapons, and gear. if you really didnt use equipment you would have more of those. unless you want to say that you do use those. I play for fun as well, but it is no fun playing with somebody who doesnt want to use a medigel when they have 255. what on earth are you not using them for? it is not fun to have to come pick you up all the time because you can't be bothered with using your equipment.

[Gornok]

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

Gornok wrote...

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

Gornok wrote...

 gear and consumables are more helpful on gold

if you are a bad player, yes.
and...I'm not an "elite" that can solo gold, but I learnt to play gold with random and learnt to not waste cosumable because people rage quits or connection fails, or they don't use rockets, medigel at the right time.
consumables are for sissies.

Its doesn't take an elite person to use strategem... and your words don't match your achievements or manifest... It doesn't make you one to use all at your disposal... plus... its what its there for. I have yet to see one have an inventory of ammo/weapon/equipment maxed out... or continuously maintain their other consumables at high levels for a rather long time, because it goes with the game...

I have more issue with someone which allows themselves to die out or get stomped on in a game while waiting on someone to get them up... I understand to the last moment, but to really allow yourself to die in order to save a medi gel?

I understand none on bronze, to a point on silver, but if you don't use them on gold... when do you actually get use of them? there are no other options than the three. and you will continue to get them in packs in the search of your weapons... unless you can max out 3 levels of ammo in veteran and spectre packs to limit those options... what's the chance of that happening? near impossible

tell me, what do you play the game for?
I play the game for fun, I hate to use rockets unless I'm forced because the whole team is at risk for example.
For me it's "chickenin' out" and removing the challenge.
So yeah, I'm not interested to use them, I don't care if they max out, I hope.
And the point is that YOU shouldn't care if I use them or not.
As I said earlier, I've got no problem in having consumables, I just want character cards, I'm fine with both, but character cards make my gaming habits easier.
I don't ask to remove the consumables, I ask to have choice and not to remove what people likes.
That's the difference

Yet you use them...your words again don't match yur manifest in use of gear... in use of ammo, in use of equipment, in use of evertyhing... you have no problem in having them... you also have no problem in using them when needed... and that is what we are talking about from your  statements that you glazed over and we are letting you know.... because it doesn't jive as a gold player other than one which plays one or two maps against one enemy on a constant basis.
So again from your statement which went from non usage to now limited usage

and again.. I don't care if you use the consumables... this is about the character cards...

you want to level up...play the game... the only reason why you will get them is because you are missing a vorcha or need to max out the appearance of the other vorcha character... you may get a small one by chance in the PSP. but the wanton delivery of useless character cards is over... now they want you to play the game in order to level up your characters... or maybe gain some on unmaxed characters.. but the useless and redundant reception of cards which can't be used at random? thankfully dead and gone. This gives you more of a chance to gain weaponry rather than one of the many character cards of no use...
I know my weapon pick up ratio has went up exponentially...

Why I play? Entertainment... I used to promote so much merely because the number of cards they give you would be wasted on maxed out characters. Now you have that complaint removed...
plus they want us to play the game more, they gave us in exchange stronger equipmemt to play with.

[Friction2600]

i also started to promote so i didnt feel as if i was wasting my time getting cards on things that were maxed or things that i didnt even play. then i got addicted to the excitement of playing matches with low level characters. actually getting a benefit from completing matches besides credits... it also is enjoyable to watch my n7 rank grow.

[TrveOmegaSlayer]

Friction2600 wrote...

you still havent told us why you cant be bothered to play a silver match with a level 1. and if you can only play gold with your level 20's then don't promote any more if you cannot be bothered with actually advancing your skill set. a silver match with a level 1 should still be the leader or close as long as he/she knows how to play. the levels really dont mean that much as long as you have decent weapons and dont play like a newbie. and yes you have your medigels maxed and your rockets maxed. but i'm talking about your equipment ie the consumables such as ammo, armor, weapons, and gear. if you really didnt use equipment you would have more of those. unless you want to say that you do use those. I play for fun as well, but it is no fun playing with somebody who doesnt want to use a medigel when they have 255. what on earth are you not using them for? it is not fun to have to come pick you up all the time
because you can't be bothered with using your equipment.

I can't be bothered because I've got a life, I've got a work, and silver is not that much fun.
Waves 9-10 on silver are easier than wave 4-5 on gold and not challenging.
So I want to play something rewarding for my time (max 4-5 matches lasting 25-30 minutes) and at least I use characters at 13 to play a gold.
It's easier to die on silver because you must go through a point to another of the map to rez someone doing rambo than playing a gold.
If you insist on the consumable point I really suggest you to study math again, because your assumptions fails.
Obviously I had used some consumables, let's say 20-30 in my experience, but that doesn't make a habit out of it.
I started to play multi around the 10th of April and after the store kept them all days I bought only PSPs
I play Gold consistently from the first week of May.
I use medigels but I usually don't need more than 2 per match.
Do you need other data to put in your RNG brain and get the manifest you would like to see on me?

I answered, now tell me because you don't want character cards and prefer to do a silver and get ammo for a single mission.

[Friction2600]

calm down pudding. and yes i hate character cards. i play silver because its a win and its easy. i play gold with my friends. i also have a life and can only really find time to play at night for about 2 hours. i'm sadly not hip so i dont know what "RNG brain" means, although i'm sure its meant to be some sort of insult (and boy does it sting).

since the abolishment of the character cards for my maxed out characters. i have since gotten at least a harrier 1 which i have been chasing and am starting to max out the new gear.

i also know that unless you havent played since this change. there is no way you would have 0 level 4 gear or ammo.

if you actually havent played or bought since this update. then why are you on here speaking your opinion on something you have no actual knowledge of? seems a bit silly to me.

[Anzakness]

Well, not everybody can love this change. So you guys shouldn't be "fighting" like this...

Anyways it's a little sad to spend 99k to get 2 rare ammo items >.<!
They could increase a little the drop rate of ultra rare items (black ones), to compensate.

[N7-RedFox]

Since the new pack store change i've spent around 2 million credits. Got 1 black card. Thankfully got a lot of Uncommon gear mods though. However, the Rare Gear Mods seem to be nigh-on unobtainable. Keep getting trolled by ammo packs. Just like the character packs were doing before

[ElectroNeonPanda]

While I loathed getting duplicate character cards this alternative is clumsy and frankly worse. 99k to get two consumable ammos that can be wasted in seconds due to lost connection or being dropped in to a hopeless, existing match.

No thanks.

[Tronar]

bult0055 wrote...

cardfranz wrote...

Hello everyone. Unfortunately I'm not very happy about this change. I, like others,prefer to get character cards, instead of rare ammo. After having promoted my 6 classes, with the money earned, I buy Specter Premium pack to bring back to a decent level my characters, then to start again. Of course with the hope of getting even upgrades N7 weapons.
One of my friends tried the deforming ammo IV, but he was not happy.He felt that the bullets were better level 1. Maybe its efficacy does not justify their price.......imho

A possible solution could be to maintain the old Specter Premium pack with character cards and add,at the same price (99000 credits),another package (e.g. Specter Ammo Premium pack) with the same opportunity to obtain weapons N7 but the only option to get the rare ammo instead of the rare character cards

I'm sorry for my bad english!

I totally agree with you!!! I play the same way!

I second that completely!
I wasn't too happy about the Gold Character Cards at first. But after playing many Gold Games for a while, I also used the Character Cards to level up freshly promoted Level 1 characters. I don't like playing a Level 1 character very much, because its options during the fights are usually quite limited (you can survive on Gold with the right team, though. But it just isn't the most fun). So I usually saved my credits until I promoted my characters and then bought many PSPs in a row to have them all back at Level 10 or higher.

I have to fully test out the new equipment yet, but I agree that leaving the player a choice between the old PSPs and new PSPs without Character Cards would be the best option. I'd probably buy a bit of both.

But receiving only 5 mods for 99.000 credits isn't really giving me a buzz. You receive 75.000 credits max. from a gold game. So you can only buy 2 PSPs every 3 successful Gold Games.
2 of the 5 mods might be for things, you hardly ever use (in my personal case for example the extra strength or the targeting VI). You are using up 3 mods per Game, if you fully equip.

So that means you are losing equipment faster than you can re-obtain it. Sure, having a Level V mod might add extra fun (in case of shields for example). But I am not sure if a Level Incendiary Ammo really makes such a difference, since you are shooting smaller enemies most of the time anyways. And they tend to drop at the first hit in the head anyways.

Well, I don't want to join the ranks of the permanent complainers. I am happy that Bioware listens and tries its best to improve the experience. Sometimes things don't necessarily get better this way (like the N7 Rank matching that was keeping Lobbies empty for hours until it got undone again). In this case giving the players the choice between both kinds of packages would be the best option IMHO.

I hope Bioware listens again.

[bult0055]

Tronar wrote...

bult0055 wrote...

cardfranz wrote...

Hello everyone. Unfortunately I'm not very happy about this change. I, like others,prefer to get character cards, instead of rare ammo. After having promoted my 6 classes, with the money earned, I buy Specter Premium pack to bring back to a decent level my characters, then to start again. Of course with the hope of getting even upgrades N7 weapons.
One of my friends tried the deforming ammo IV, but he was not happy.He felt that the bullets were better level 1. Maybe its efficacy does not justify their price.......imho

A possible solution could be to maintain the old Specter Premium pack with character cards and add,at the same price (99000 credits),another package (e.g. Specter Ammo Premium pack) with the same opportunity to obtain weapons N7 but the only option to get the rare ammo instead of the rare character cards

I'm sorry for my bad english!

I totally agree with you!!! I play the same way!

I second that completely!
I wasn't too happy about the Gold Character Cards at first. But after playing many Gold Games for a while, I also used the Character Cards to level up freshly promoted Level 1 characters. I don't like playing a Level 1 character very much, because its options during the fights are usually quite limited (you can survive on Gold with the right team, though. But it just isn't the most fun). So I usually saved my credits until I promoted my characters and then bought many PSPs in a row to have them all back at Level 10 or higher.

I have to fully test out the new equipment yet, but I agree that leaving the player a choice between the old PSPs and new PSPs without Character Cards would be the best option. I'd probably buy a bit of both.

But receiving only 5 mods for 99.000 credits isn't really giving me a buzz. You receive 75.000 credits max. from a gold game. So you can only buy 2 PSPs every 3 successful Gold Games.
2 of the 5 mods might be for things, you hardly ever use (in my personal case for example the extra strength or the targeting VI). You are using up 3 mods per Game, if you fully equip.

So that means you are losing equipment faster than you can re-obtain it. Sure, having a Level V mod might add extra fun (in case of shields for example). But I am not sure if a Level Incendiary Ammo really makes such a difference, since you are shooting smaller enemies most of the time anyways. And they tend to drop at the first hit in the head anyways.

Well, I don't want to join the ranks of the permanent complainers. I am happy that Bioware listens and tries its best to improve the experience. Sometimes things don't necessarily get better this way (like the N7 Rank matching that was keeping Lobbies empty for hours until it got undone again). In this case giving the players the choice between both kinds of packages would be the best option IMHO.

I hope Bioware listens again.

Finally someonewho gets my point! I thought I was the only one who didn't like tis upgrade very much! It's very nice of BioWare the listened to the community, but I think this change was quite radical, cause there still are people who like extra character cards :happy:
And indeed you loose equipment quicker than you can obtain it! And that matchmaking wasn't fun either
So hopefully BioWare listens again

[Bolo Xia]

im still getting blue character cards in PSP's.
im getting blue cards where i would normally get once per mission consumables.
its only one card and seems to always be in the number 2 slot in the pack.


also in the commendation pack i usually get 3 items, in the last pack i only got 2 (a N7 and an ammo power)
my roommate plays too and we watch each other open our commendation packs, she got 3 items and i only got 2 items and we were wondering quite bluntly "WTF?!".

i know its not really a big deal on the commendation pack giving me 1 less item but i feel i should mention it. its been a few days and im just now reporting it i guess.

i usually max out my consumables (missile, ammo, medigel, and ops) by buying recruit packs before i buy a PSP just so i can get 3 equipment items in the slots 1 through 3. but since the recent change i have been getting blue cards like i said above in the 2nd slot.

hope this is just me its happening to, so maybe we can figure out how to fix my pack drops.

[bult0055]

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

Gornok wrote...

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

Gornok wrote...

 gear and consumables are more helpful on gold

if you are a bad player, yes.
and...I'm not an "elite" that can solo gold, but I learnt to play gold with random and learnt to not waste cosumable because people rage quits or connection fails, or they don't use rockets, medigel at the right time.
consumables are for sissies.

Its doesn't take an elite person to use strategem... and your words don't match your achievements or manifest... It doesn't make you one to use all at your disposal... plus... its what its there for. I have yet to see one have an inventory of ammo/weapon/equipment maxed out... or continuously maintain their other consumables at high levels for a rather long time, because it goes with the game...

I have more issue with someone which allows themselves to die out or get stomped on in a game while waiting on someone to get them up... I understand to the last moment, but to really allow yourself to die in order to save a medi gel?

I understand none on bronze, to a point on silver, but if you don't use them on gold... when do you actually get use of them? there are no other options than the three. and you will continue to get them in packs in the search of your weapons... unless you can max out 3 levels of ammo in veteran and spectre packs to limit those options... what's the chance of that happening? near impossible

tell me, what do you play the game for?
I play the game for fun, I hate to use rockets unless I'm forced because the whole team is at risk for example.
For me it's "chickenin' out" and removing the challenge.
So yeah, I'm not interested to use them, I don't care if they max out, I hope.
And the point is that YOU shouldn't care if I use them or not.
As I said earlier, I've got no problem in having consumables, I just want character cards, I'm fine with both, but character cards make my gaming habits easier.
I don't ask to remove the consumables, I ask to have choice and not to remove what people likes.
That's the difference

Hmmm, love your quote about using missiles, my thoughts exactly. I rarely use them, but I have to say I rarely play on Gold.
And I too don't want BioWare to remove the consumables but leave a choice for people! I really liked the character cards and have to change my whole gameplay cause of it now. <_<

[bult0055]

Bolo Xia wrote...


also in the commendation pack i usually get 3 items, in the last pack i only got 2 (a N7 and an ammo power)
my roommate plays too and we watch each other open our commendation packs, she got 3 items and i only got 2 items and we were wondering quite bluntly "WTF?!".

i know its not really a big deal on the commendation pack giving me 1 less item but i feel i should mention it. its been a few days and im just now reporting it i guess.

I did too!! I too got only two things (Sniper rifle amp and Crusader)

[InTheZone]

@TrveOmegaSlayer - you sound like a pretentious ass hat. "Consumables are for sissies" - shut the **** up.

[Bolo Xia]

bult0055 wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...


also in the commendation pack i usually get 3 items, in the last pack i only got 2 (a N7 and an ammo power)
my roommate plays too and we watch each other open our commendation packs, she got 3 items and i only got 2 items and we were wondering quite bluntly "WTF?!".

i know its not really a big deal on the commendation pack giving me 1 less item but i feel i should mention it. its been a few days and im just now reporting it i guess.

I did too!! I too got only two things (Sniper rifle amp and Crusader)

maybe its normal then to get randomly unlucky and only get 2 items. but i always got 3 items in all the commendations packs since launch. ( ive done every personal/squad goal since launch )

just seems odd, and in a way im kinda glad im not the only one but also sad for you getting unlucky too 

[Demon King Oda]

Sounds awesome! Can't wait to check it out

[Bolo Xia]

Bolo Xia wrote...

im still getting blue character cards in PSP's.
im getting blue cards where i would normally get once per mission consumables.
its only one card and seems to always be in the number 2 slot in the pack.


also in the commendation pack i usually get 3 items, in the last pack i only got 2 (a N7 and an ammo power)
my roommate plays too and we watch each other open our commendation packs, she got 3 items and i only got 2 items and we were wondering quite bluntly "WTF?!".

i know its not really a big deal on the commendation pack giving me 1 less item but i feel i should mention it. its been a few days and im just now reporting it i guess.

i usually max out my consumables (missile, ammo, medigel, and ops) by buying recruit packs before i buy a PSP just so i can get 3 equipment items in the slots 1 through 3. but since the recent change i have been getting blue cards like i said above in the 2nd slot.

hope this is just me its happening to, so maybe we can figure out how to fix my pack drops.

i know i shouldnt quote my own post but as fast as this thread is moving i dont want my issue overlooked in this very long thread. im not one for starting threads either so i hope a CSR person will spot my issue in here.

sorry again for those who might not like reading my issue again.