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[Random Geth]

Because it didn't solve ANY of the problems the ending has? Starkid is still BS, his logic is still faulty, the Normandy picking up the crew created hilarious NEW plotholes, and the entire "victory" is still emotionally unsatisfying. Frankly, I feel like I'm surrounded by children impressed by shiny objects, and the frequent gries of "hurrr, haters, butthurt, entitled!" and "well NOTHING would please you" do nothing to dissuade that notion.

[Geneaux486]

Random Geth wrote...
Starkid is still BS, his logic is still faulty.

His assesment of the conflict was based on the countless cycles in which synthetics tried to exterminate organics.  The Catalyst's logic would be faulty at this point if he didn't admit that his solution was no longer valid, but he does.  The Geth are unique to a repeating pattern, and really, they're actually the solution to the whole problem.

[KingKhan03]

It's time to move on.

[Geneaux486]

KingKhan03 wrote...

It's time to move on.

Yep, looking forward to my next playthrough.

[mcguireptr1]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Random Geth wrote...
Starkid is still BS, his logic is still faulty.

His assesment of the conflict was based on the countless cycles in which synthetics tried to exterminate organics.  The Catalyst's logic would be faulty at this point if he didn't admit that his solution was no longer valid, but he does.  The Geth are unique to a repeating pattern, and really, they're actually the solution to the whole problem.

His logic is faulty from the begining.  if he was created to stop the synthetics from killing the organics and he accomplishes this by making synthetics, reapers, out the organics that created him thus killing them or enslaving them he violated his initial programing and purpose thus created the reapers, who by his own logic of the created will always rebel against the creator, who should now turn against him millions of years ago.  and destroy the cycle that has been repeating.  The logic is so flawed that you actual have to go out of your way to come up with this nonsense.  You don't make mistakes like that on accident.

Modifié par mcguireptr1, 27 juin 2012 - 06:08 .

[Geneaux486]

mcguireptr1 wrote...
His logic is faulty from the begining.  if he was created to stop the synthetics from killing the organics and he accomplishes this by making synthetics, reapers, out the organics that created him thus killing them or enslaving them he violated his initial programing and purpose thus created the reapers, who by his own logic of the created will always rebel against the creator, who should now turn against him millions of years ago.  and destroy the cycle that has been repeating.  The logic is so flawed that you actual have to go out of your way to come up with this nonsense.  You don't make mistakes like that on accident.

The Reapers are techo-organic hybrids containing the minds and bodies of each civilization, based on the premise that eventually an organic race will advance so much that it will create tech, synthetics, that it cannot control, and in doing so not only obliterate itself, but also cause collateral damage to more primitive forms of life.  The Catalyst was always wrong for implimenting the Reaper extinction cycle, even before the Crucible proved that there was a better way to solve the problem, but the problem itself was very real.

[staindgrey]

The writer/editor in me still finds the ending to be a piece of bad fanfiction tacked onto a story to which it didn't belong. Too many writing 101 mistakes that should be inexcusable for a company like Bioware.

But, I'm content. I realize how much effort and money was spent on this for us. It's still not a fundamentally sound piece of writing, but nothing can be perfect. Playing through the game for my Insanity run from start to finish reminded me of all the reasons I liked the game, and the series.

The ending is still very flawed, but you know what? That's okay. I've gotten over it, and realized that I actually very much like the rest of the game.

[grey_wind]

- The "4th" ending is a b!tchslap to anybody who didn't like the original 3 options
- The ending is still thematically and stylistically incosistent with the rest of the game and series
- The Catalyst is still a literal Deus ex Machina
- Every explanation given to plug plotholes (like why your squad disappears) is so ridiculosuly contrived that you can tell they weren't even trying.
- The idea that the only ways to overcome racial diversity is by genocide, slavery or (sickeningly) forced homogenization is disgusting and abhorrent. And this time it's infinitely worse than the original because the one option that allows you to say that all these solutions are utter horsesh!t is met with pathetic failure.

Modifié par grey_wind, 27 juin 2012 - 06:21 .

[mcguireptr1]

Geneaux486 wrote...

mcguireptr1 wrote...
His logic is faulty from the begining.  if he was created to stop the synthetics from killing the organics and he accomplishes this by making synthetics, reapers, out the organics that created him thus killing them or enslaving them he violated his initial programing and purpose thus created the reapers, who by his own logic of the created will always rebel against the creator, who should now turn against him millions of years ago.  and destroy the cycle that has been repeating.  The logic is so flawed that you actual have to go out of your way to come up with this nonsense.  You don't make mistakes like that on accident.

The Reapers are techo-organic hybrids containing the minds and bodies of each civilization, based on the premise that eventually an organic race will advance so much that it will create tech, synthetics, that it cannot control, and in doing so not only obliterate itself, but also cause collateral damage to more primitive forms of life.  The Catalyst was always wrong for implimenting the Reaper extinction cycle, even before the Crucible proved that there was a better way to solve the problem, but the problem itself was very real.

And were did the catalyst get this information, it could have never happened before because there are still organics.  He is presumed to stop it from happening in the first place.  He has no reliable data to prove it will happen because he has preventing from happening everytime, so how the hell can he know that it will always happen.  No matter how much someone tries to make sense of the Starchild his logic will always be illogical.

[Zaire Taylor]

The ending doesn't make the game unless it's really awful. The original endings ruined the game. These endings are adequate enough to allows Mass Effect as a whole be great.

[Foulpancake]

I'm divided myself, it was far better than the "artistic" crap we were handed before. But all i REALLY wanted was to see shepard and her LI reunited, and while it strongly suggests...it doesn't show...which leaves me feeling less excited about it. I mean would 10 more seconds of cut scene killed them if they already added that much?

[JPN17]

Random Geth wrote...

Because it didn't solve ANY of the problems the ending has? Starkid is still BS, his logic is still faulty, the Normandy picking up the crew created hilarious NEW plotholes, and the entire "victory" is still emotionally unsatisfying. Frankly, I feel like I'm surrounded by children impressed by shiny objects, and the frequent gries of "hurrr, haters, butthurt, entitled!" and "well NOTHING would please you" do nothing to dissuade that notion.

This. If you guys like having your story that's filled with plot holes and ruins the two games that came before it because Bioware threw in some rainbows and ice cream in the epiloge than have at it. I couldn't care less what's in the epiloge because Bioware didn't solve anything that was wrong with the story. Bioware didn't listen to a thing I said and instead ruined what should have been a great franchise. That's why I'm unsatisfied with the endings. When Bioware releases a new ending that cuts out all the major plot holes (not all plot holes just the major ones) then I'll be satisfied. But I'm not stupid. I know that ending is never coming. It's a damn shame. What a waste.

[Blind2Society]

This is why I am unsatisfied....

I wrote...

I was originally intending to, in this post, talk about EMS at length. However, I feel that may be a discussion better saved for an EMS specific thread. Instead I will just touch upon it briefly as I express my feelings on the EC.

Overall I feel they did well with the EC. I have come to appreciate the ending options much more because of the clarification provided by it. There are now clearly presented reasons for choosing each ending option (even if you have to choose the endings before you see those reasons ; ) ) and those reasons are different for each option.

However, even though the extended cut has made all options much more appealing and made the choice a much more difficult one I simply cannot agree that it should be left as is.

For me, making EMS decide whether or not EDI and the Geth are killed in the destroy ending is absolutely essential in me devoting any more of my attention to the Mass Effect story. Without such a change being made, I'm sorry to say, Mass Effect will be dead to me. And not out of spite, anger, hatred nor anything like that but, rather, because when I look at the options as they are I simply cannot bring myself to pick one.

I'm inclined to pick destroy as my Shep having even a slight hope of seeing his Tali again is of utmost importance. However, when I see the slide of EDI and realize that I killed her along with the Geth it breaks my heart. Thus, I am unable to pick either option which then leaves the Mass Effect story unresolved for me. And without any hope of that changing I have to, with great regret, walk away from the Mass Effect universe. And it deeply saddens me.

[mcguireptr1]

grey_wind wrote...

- The "4th" ending is a b!tchslap to anybody who didn't like the original 3 options
- The ending is still thematically and stylistically incosistent with the rest of the game and series
- The Catalyst is still a literal Deus ex Machina
- Every explanation given to plug plotholes (like why your squad disappears) is so ridiculosuly contrived that you can tell they weren't even trying.
- The idea that the only ways to overcome racial diversity is by genocide, slavery or (sickeningly) forced homogenization is disgusting and abhorrent

-agreed.
-agreed.
-enthusiasticly agreed.
-viguoursly agreed.
-couldn't agree anymore.

[trembli0s]

I agree that the Catalyst pre-determines the Reaper cycle by turning on his own creators to create the Reapers.

Its like lighting every single individual ant hill on fire that appears and claiming that its the only way to spare said plot of grass because more ant hills continue to pop up.

[thisisme8]

staindgrey wrote...

The writer/editor in me still finds the ending to be a piece of bad fanfiction tacked onto a story to which it didn't belong. Too many writing 101 mistakes that should be inexcusable for a company like Bioware.

I've done my fair share of writing, though I would say I'd like to be a writer as opposed to I am a writer - but c'mon, be honest. . .  you see bad writing in everything, don't you?  I do, but I've learned to suppress my cringing and have successfully moved on to minor twitching.

Modifié par thisisme8, 27 juin 2012 - 06:26 .

[Geneaux486]

mcguireptr1 wrote...
And were did the catalyst get this information, it could have never happened before because there are still organics. 

The assertion was that synthetics will always try to exterminate organics, and it's based on the Catalyst watching that happen repeatedly over countless cycles, with the Geth being the first known exception.  It's not a matter of whether or not it's logical to assume that it would happen, because the problem is that it did happen, repeatedly.

[babymoon]

No closure at all for my Destroy ending.

I just want to know wtf happens with Shepard in the rubble, and I think it's cheap of them to pretty much just tell us to use our imaginations? If that's her last breath before dying, I'd like to know. If she's alive, I'd like a LI reunion, even if it's a TINY scene. I hate that my LI believes Shepard is dead.

I feel like if I believed in the Control or Synthesis ways though and went with those, I would be totally okay with the endings.

[thisisme8]

Geneaux486 wrote...

mcguireptr1 wrote...
And were did the catalyst get this information, it could have never happened before because there are still organics. 

The assertion was that synthetics will always try to exterminate organics, and it's based on the Catalyst watching that happen repeatedly over countless cycles, with the Geth being the first known exception.  It's not a matter of whether or not it's logical to assume that it would happen, because the problem is that it did happen, repeatedly.

To further clarify, when talking about organics, that doesn't mean that synthetics systematically wiped out every bit of bacteria, plant, etc. etc. - instead, it means that synthetics wiped out their creators, and possibly other races advanced enough to pose any sort of threat.

[TornadoADV]

There's nothing wrong with the Refusal Ending. Given I had max EMS, the data put into the vaults for future species ensured that they were completely ready for the Reapers and won the day. Shepard ultimately still wins the day and doesn't have to compromise his/her ideals to do so, but he makes that choice at the expense of the current cycle.

[Everwarden]

Femlob wrote...

Starbrat.

That, mainly.

The EC is an improvement, but still not worthy of capping off the Mass Effect trilogy. 

[thisisme8]

babymoon wrote...

No closure at all for my Destroy ending.

I just want to know wtf happens with Shepard in the rubble, and I think it's cheap of them to pretty much just tell us to use our imaginations? If that's her last breath before dying, I'd like to know. If she's alive, I'd like a LI reunion, even if it's a TINY scene. I hate that my LI believes Shepard is dead.

I feel like if I believed in the Control or Synthesis ways though and went with those, I would be totally okay with the endings.

Read the book, The Giver.  It will take you two hours, is the closest thing to a science fiction masterpiece as you can get, and has an ending so wide open that you can literally believe anything you want happens.

[mcguireptr1]

Geneaux486 wrote...

mcguireptr1 wrote...
And were did the catalyst get this information, it could have never happened before because there are still organics. 

The assertion was that synthetics will always try to exterminate organics, and it's based on the Catalyst watching that happen repeatedly over countless cycles, with the Geth being the first known exception.  It's not a matter of whether or not it's logical to assume that it would happen, because the problem is that it did happen, repeatedly.

when? How? prove it. wait you can't because organics still excist meaning they were not wiped out be synthetics.  it could not have ever have happened based on what he tells you.  To solve the problem of chaos and to allow organics to go on living they have to purge the advanced organics. i get that, bad explaination but i get it.  But he can not, and i emphazize the not, know because it could not have ever happened if any organics still excist.

[TornadoADV]

babymoon wrote...

No closure at all for my Destroy ending.

I just want to know wtf happens with Shepard in the rubble, and I think it's cheap of them to pretty much just tell us to use our imaginations? If that's her last breath before dying, I'd like to know. If she's alive, I'd like a LI reunion, even if it's a TINY scene. I hate that my LI believes Shepard is dead.

I feel like if I believed in the Control or Synthesis ways though and went with those, I would be totally okay with the endings.

Your LI never puts your plaque on the Wall of the Fallen and the scene cuts away to the Normandy taking off to return back to Earth or Citadel Space. I think that establishes very well that your LI has a "feeling" that you aren't dead.

[Geneaux486]

thisisme8 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

mcguireptr1 wrote...
And were did the catalyst get this information, it could have never happened before because there are still organics. 

The assertion was that synthetics will always try to exterminate organics, and it's based on the Catalyst watching that happen repeatedly over countless cycles, with the Geth being the first known exception.  It's not a matter of whether or not it's logical to assume that it would happen, because the problem is that it did happen, repeatedly.

To further clarify, when talking about organics, that doesn't mean that synthetics systematically wiped out every bit of bacteria, plant, etc. etc. - instead, it means that synthetics wiped out their creators, and possibly other races advanced enough to pose any sort of threat.

Apparenly their intentions were worse than that.