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[DESTRAUDO]

hahahahaha, watched the refusal ending on youtube, so glad they put that in for the people who could not make the hard choices. I wonder if anyone picked it thinking they could really win conventionally. Those people will be butthurt.

Modifié par DESTRAUDO, 27 juin 2012 - 09:29 .

[cyric085]

The endings are better than the original, but they are still pretty **** on its own.

[chtyla]

the only thing i disliked was my team think i was dead and then seeing i wa alive makes me feel bad for my team even though they havent goten back to civilization yet since the wall cerimony is before the left there is still the chance they dont know he is alive

[nwntask]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Mria wrote...

People still unsatisfied with the new endings...why ?

Because it's still a horrible way to end a story that was going in this direction up until now.

Because it treats the audience like they are imbecile children who can't understand what happened without having everything spelled out to them.

Because it paints Synthesis as being the super-happy "Best" ending.

Because by removing the ambiguity of the previous endings they only succeeded in making the endings more trite and less interesting.

Because they hastily explain away the scenes people questioned without understanding why they were being questioned to begin with - like Joker fleeing. Now everyone is fleeing, and it makes sense, right? No, no it doesn't, because Hackett orders a full retreat for no reason and the Reapers don't FTL away when **** goes down? Why? Because Starchild told them it's time to die now?

Because the implications of the super-perfect Synthesis ending are actually still horrible, that you play god by making all people immortal and still allow Krogan to have massive birth rates which means a galactic war for resources is just two, maybe three Krogan generations away? Oh, did I mention that Synthesis makes Husks intelligent? Husks who are nothing but twisted, walking corpses? I'm sure they are really happy to be alive now...

Because the Normandy still crash lands... Only to take off again? So what was the point of crashing to begin with? Ham-fisted symbolism, that's what.

Because Starchild and the Stargazer both still exist in this ending even though they remain extremely detrimental to the ending even if I was willing to forgive all the other horrible implications.

Is the EC better than the original endings?

It depends if you prefer your ending to be clear-cut and obviously spelled out to you. If you do, then yes, it's a bit better.

But if like most people who hated the ending, you hated it because it's a bad ending, then no, it's just as bad, if not worse.

So,so,soooooooooooooo TRUE!

[holmis93]

I dont understand why some say "new endings". Its still the same endings with the same plotholes and space magic.

[Helios969]

I'm disappointed because I thought BW tooked the easy way out, basically making every ending "good" based on what people choose previously and what many argued ad nauseum for...  Even the SO BE IT ending ultimately had positive consequences.

[jeff359]

they made them better, but why is ME suddenly about robots vs humans? If this was the ending the game shipped with it wouldn't have been so bad, it wasn't enough to make me forget about the last few months.

[nitefyre410]

because Mass Effect and its fan base deserved better treatment than what Hudson and Walters gave not only the game, the characters and the universe. The endings are better explained but there still pretty much just "meh" now. There is nothing more do at this point but accept them and move one. In the end these endings are a testament as to what Walters and Hudson truly though about Series. Despite being better explained with more clarity the game in total was thrown together and no real effort was put into the end product. It all reeks from start to finish of .."Can we just get this over with?" It is what it is in the end... there is no point complaining about it anymore or asking for new endings. time to move on.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 27 juin 2012 - 04:22 .

[Elite Midget]

holmis93 wrote...

I dont understand why some say "new endings". Its still the same endings with the same plotholes and space magic.

Shhh...  Let them be ignorant, they're happier this way.

[Kazaru]

It's easy because it no new ending. Its out of question that the EC did marvelous for the current ending, but you still have only the (now more diffrent) endings you got before, oh yeah and now the instand lose ending. None of the endings feels like i achieved something. The main 3 endings are only posible because the Starkid let you do them and if you reject him, he continue with the reaping. So because of the bad written ending and nothing changen on it (still the same ending now with extra stuff), im unsatisfied.

[MDT1]

I like it that my para-Shep can finally get her happy ending by rejecting the starchild.

[Kaica]

People still unsatisfied with the new endings...why ?

I didn't read what other people have answered, so this may be repetitive. Sorry if it bothers.

First of all, what new endings? The endings are the same, only now they have sugar coat on them. Some minor "improvements", that's all. Results are the same.

I hate the same things in the "new endings" that I hated in the original endings:
- all the choices you've done during the three games and hundreds of hours of gameplay are flushed down the toilet. Nothing matters. (Rachni, Collector Vessel, etc.)
- We were promised not to get a simple "A, B or C"-option in the end. That is exactly what it is. And no matter what you have done before, the options are the same. For everyone.
- No "Happy ending", no matter what you do.
- The Catalyst... Well you have met that one, so I don't even start.

I could list probably a hundred things, but I have neither energy nor time. Everything is probably already listed by others.

So I'll just let you know what I expected, wanted and dreamed of:

15+ different endings, depending on the choices you've made during all the three games. From a perfect ending (reunion with LI, war won, no one else deceased, hope, partying) to a grim ending (you die and so does everyone else and the Reapers win). DEPENDING ON THE DECISIONS _YOU HAVE MADE_. All I wanted was my journey to matter. Now I get the same endings for all my different types of Sheps and in the end, not a single one of my choices matters.

Now this ending is just not fair. We deserve better. Hell yeah I DESERVE BETTER.

I'm still trying to convince myself that the indoctrination theory is true and Bioware is just screwing with us.

But for now: I REJECT YOUR ENDINGS AND SUBSTITUTE MY OWN.

[DESTRAUDO]

Worth noting that if so many people did not insist on saying the destruction of the relays doomed all life and everyone would starve and the relays could never be rebuilt, and that there was no possible explanation for the normandy leaving the system that 3/4 of the extended cut material and thus budget would not have had to be wasted on explaining the obvious. Could have probably gotten 2-3 more totally different endings in.

Oops?

[nwntask]

Even if we accept the catalyst's argument that organics and synthentics can't co-exist (which contradicts with everything our hero has stood for throughout the series), its solution is neither justified nor efficient.It's like burning down the Amazon forests in order to protect them from getting destroyed by human pollution!!!

[j78]

My feeling is this ME raised the bar in regards to the way we interact with game characters and story .that’s is a huge part of why this sires was becoming so successful not to mention the scope of our choices .but the ending to such a massive and engrossing experience was done in such a lackluster way .they should have just re created the take back earth trailer , the Normandy over head leading an air strike Shep leading the ground forces with his/her LI by his side as well as his team from ME1and 2..

[Freedom1]

Kaica wrote...

People still unsatisfied with the new endings...why ?

I didn't read what other people have answered, so this may be repetitive. Sorry if it bothers.

First of all, what new endings? The endings are the same, only now they have sugar coat on them. Some minor "improvements", that's all. Results are the same.

I hate the same things in the "new endings" that I hated in the original endings:
- all the choices you've done during the three games and hundreds of hours of gameplay are flushed down the toilet. Nothing matters. (Rachni, Collector Vessel, etc.)
- We were promised not to get a simple "A, B or C"-option in the end. That is exactly what it is. And no matter what you have done before, the options are the same. For everyone.
- No "Happy ending", no matter what you do.
- The Catalyst... Well you have met that one, so I don't even start.

I could list probably a hundred things, but I have neither energy nor time. Everything is probably already listed by others.

So I'll just let you know what I expected, wanted and dreamed of:

15+ different endings, depending on the choices you've made during all the three games. From a perfect ending (reunion with LI, war won, no one else deceased, hope, partying) to a grim ending (you die and so does everyone else and the Reapers win). DEPENDING ON THE DECISIONS _YOU HAVE MADE_. All I wanted was my journey to matter. Now I get the same endings for all my different types of Sheps and in the end, not a single one of my choices matters.

Now this ending is just not fair. We deserve better. Hell yeah I DESERVE BETTER.

I'm still trying to convince myself that the indoctrination theory is true and Bioware is just screwing with us.

But for now: I REJECT YOUR ENDINGS AND SUBSTITUTE MY OWN.

Im with you on this.  the EC only answered three of the many questions that the original endings left us with.
1. How did Hackett know we made it to the Citadel?
2. Why Joker and Normandy was fleeing?
3. And how the members of our party made it onto the Normandy before we got blasted by Harbinger.

One of the biggest plot holes still there is: How did Anderson FOLLOW Shepard up into the Citadel but make it the console first when there was ONLY ONE path to the platform.  If you listened to the conversation you would also realize that you should see Anderson walking to the platform where the console is but you DON"T.  The magic wound to your abdomin is still there with no explanation how you magically get it after "shooting" Anderson.  Yea we get a few explanations on why the god-child was there but that in itself is majorly flawed.  i won't repeat what many others said about the flaws because i dont want to sound repetitive.  The So Be It ending sucked and was like a slap to the face to us true fans.  For Shepard to just stand there after rejecting the choices is not at all what shepard would have done.  The was no scene after the destroy dogtag scene, ok maybe leads to DLC, which btw i am not a fan of if that is thier intent.  stargazer and child are still there talking about the fight but with the reject option they say "that is what happened according to the archives" ok thats believable but the male stargazer is stilll talking in the other three shoices about something they might not know anything about unless they were there themselves.  but that initself still leaves a big question unanswered: HOW DID THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED UP INSIDE THE CITADEL??? 
Ok, i'm done ranting because i could rant on for a long time about the questions still unaswered and plot holes but they have been mentioned many times before so i won't be repetitive.

EDIT: I will repeat this:  EMS and GR and all choices up to the laserblast to the face scene still didnt matter or affect things in the end.  i got about 200 or more EMS points than was required for "best" ending on destroy but only about 5% of the forces I gathered via EMS showed up for the fight for Earth.

Modifié par Freedom1, 27 juin 2012 - 07:32 .

[Zix13]

Femlob wrote...

People still unsatisfied with the new endings...why ?

Starbrat.

Pretty much this. Its existance is the single biggest problem with the ending.

[KLGChaos]

For me, it's still the fact that it comes down to RGB and all my previous choices meaning nothing in the end. This is the ending BIOWARE wanted for Shep, not me. I wanted to work my ass off like I did in ME2 to get the best ending possible, but that ended up not happening. I was force-fed 3 bittersweet endings when I was shooting for a happier one.

Combined with the fact that the ending contradicts the themes and plot of the previous games and there wasn't any real way to salvage the game. After this and DA2, my faith in Bioware has definitely been shattered.

Worst part is, ME was great up until the end, but considering the ending is the goal you're shooting for, it makes the rest fairly pointless.

[MoZedK]

With the EC they should know that when you first fail so badly as they did and you make and EC well it is gonna get scrutinized.

They should know that and still they are plunging in to one hole after another like they dident really think this through.
Yes they partiactly listened but dident really do that. IMO

Yes the narritive coherence is a little less blured but it is still not great or even good at that. They making new questions though answers some.
They still have a problem with the Centrale conflict.
And they are still changing the genre in the very end.
Though they have gotten a bit of Char focus back, but not enough.

All in all this is a DLC they felt they needed to make cuz of the big mistake they made in the ending and then do it right and give it the time it needs. When you know this would be scrutinized.

I have no problem with shep dies none at all but the plot holes is just to big.

[frylock23]

I'm more than dissatisfied. Why? All they had to do to make this even a bit palatable was very simple - fix the damn Catalyst. If they really must plunk down their cute little avatar and insist that the player must be handed the victory in the form of a Faustian bargain by the Reaper Overlord ... they ought to at least do something to give that character some semblance of credibility, a reason for the player to buy the idea that we can indeed trust what this character is telling us about the functions of the Crucible.

Did they do this? I think they did not.

And they had two chances ...

*EPIC, EPIC FACEPALM*

[nwntask]

KLGChaos wrote...

For me, it's still the fact that it comes down to RGB and all my previous choices meaning nothing in the end. This is the ending BIOWARE wanted for Shep, not me. I wanted to work my ass off like I did in ME2 to get the best ending possible, but that ended up not happening. I was force-fed 3 bittersweet endings when I was shooting for a happier one.

Combined with the fact that the ending contradicts the themes and plot of the previous games and there wasn't any real way to salvage the game. After this and DA2, my faith in Bioware has definitely been shattered.

Worst part is, ME was great up until the end, but considering the ending is the goal you're shooting for, it makes the rest fairly pointless.

you create the ultimate RPG,which for over 90 hours of gameplay relies ultimately on the  player's choices, and claim that to be your biggest asset,only -in the end- to promote (almost in a facist way) your personal agenda of SYNTHESIS.

[Mria]

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[gmboy902]

I sabotaged the genophage. Surely the Krogan won't just let themselves die out? This should mean galactic war. Where's my galactic war epilogue,  BioWare?

What happened to <insert every character here> after the ending?

Those are my two big questions. And they are big questions. BioWare should have answered them, seriously even a picture-and-text slideshow would suffice.