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[Jarcander]

Darkeus wrote...

Hmmm, I will start that there are still tons of plot holes and illogical inconsistencies....

I keep seeing this complaint but I have yet to see anyone list all their plot holes...

[WarBaby2]

Simple answer? Because there are those that found the ending was poorly written and broken in the first place, and those that just thought it was poorly executed... the first group still isn't satisfied (and they never will be), the second is.

Modifié par WarBaby2, 26 juin 2012 - 09:58 .

[Sundance31us]

OP I shall answer your questtion with an image:

[tvman099]

They still preserve the horsecrap that was the original content, with the starkid and the crucible and all that nonsense.

Something that was a bad idea in the first place doesn't stop being bad just because you explain what happens afterward better. The EC was never going to be good and I knew that from the moment Bioware started talking about how they took pride in their artistic vision. So I'm not even disappointed really. It's just another failure on their part.

Modifié par tvman099, 26 juin 2012 - 09:59 .

[ericjdev]

iggy4566 wrote...

Because if I wanted to play Deus Ex I would of played Deus Ex.

This.

Mind you, my expectations were low, I didn't think that a failure that colossal could be fixed and IMO it wasn't. The end is still jarringly out of tone with the rest of the series, lazy, derivative and written without peer review by people who are out of touch with their fan base and clearly in love with their own 'art'. It's an improvement(say 2 of 10 rather than 1 of 10) but it's still crap.

Modifié par ericjdev, 26 juin 2012 - 09:59 .

[Octopus_DK]

My biggest problem is that it doesn't make any more sense than before. The three choices were completely unnecessary and nothing you did before actually affect them. You get pretty much the same slide show for all of them as far as I can see. The starchild is still out of place and the entire premise is as weird as ever. Synthesis went completely overboard, It makes no sense what so ever. Control I actually thought wasn't bad, although still kinda patchy as to the explanation. So it has my memories and thinks like me, but somehow I still die? Destroy is what it is and should just have been the automatic conclusion in my opinion. Although closure wise, it is as crappy as ever, how did Shepard survive that again? The EC was just lackluster. I'll give them points for trying but most of it just turned out flat silly when you start thinking. So the Normandy is flying right in front of Harbinger and he's not shooting? I was actually laughing during that one.

[Geneaux486]

iggy4566 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Lot of people were ready to hate it before it was even released, mostly because Bioware didn't cave in and write a brand new ending. Wound have been overkill to do that, and it would have been worse than what we already had.

No it would have seeing how many folk here have made better endings.

Matter of opinion.  If they think so highly of it they should make their own game.

Any new ending would have either been too similar to what we got for it to be a worthwhile endeavor, or it would have completely disconnected the end from the rest of the game.  The endings always logically followed the flow of the story, that much was true before the EC came out.

[vics20]

Kick In The Door wrote...

Because it's the cool thing to do!

But really, there isn't a thing Bioware could have possibly done to appease these entitled gamers, when you factor in the mp expansions they've given more than our money's worth. Yet people are still crying, the tears are plentiful!

What's funny to me is, how most of them made up their minds that it was going to suck before they even played it, then when they finally DO play it they're surprised that they don't like it...First world problems ftw eh?

I enjoy picking out buzz words like "entitled" so I can know ahead of time that you don't know what you're talking about or you're trolling. 

Are there plenty of ungrateful gamers that are going to whine about the endings no matter what? Sure, but let me be the first person to inform you that people can be disatisfied with the endings for very diferent reasons. 

I'm disatisfied with them because the EC endings still left such appaulingly large plot holes that it just puts me off to the story (which was the games strongest aspect imo). That said, I'll leave it at that, and move on with my life and enjoy new games that will come out in the future.  

[Ryzaki]

Because they still suck to some people?

[mcguireptr1]

Metaphor:  Vincent Van Gogh finishes 'The Starry Night.' then decides to fling chunks of cow dung at it; riddling it with brown spots(plot holes) then three months later he decides to remove those spots with paint thinner.  Anyone else see the problem.

[AGogley]

iggy4566 wrote...

Because if I wanted to play Deus Ex I would of played Deus Ex.

This.

[Mars Nova]

Because Bioware still didn't fulfill the promises they made since the first game, that our choices would shape the ultimate outcome of the series.   After all the time, money, energy, and emotion I've invested into this story and these characters, I am royally PISSED. 

I was willing to give Bioware a chance when they announced the EC, I believed Bioware when they said they were listening and taking our feedback seriously.  But they obviously weren't, because the fundamental flaw of the original endings is still present: it doesn't matter if you killed or spared the rachni, your decision regarding the genophage is irrelevant, you might as well have spared the Collector Base even if you destroyed it and vice-versa, saving the Council in ME1 doesn't matter, not one single decision you made at any point in any of the 3 games, big or small, made even the slightest difference.

We were lied to and duped out of money and time by a company that has apparently either forgotten how to satisfy its fans or never gave a **** in the first place. 

The high standards we have come to expect from Bioware are nowhere to be seen.  They claim "artistic integrity," well guess what, "artistic integrity" means actually delivering the product you promised.   They have no more artistic integrity, no credibility, and have squandered the goodwill and faith many of us previously placed in them.

I once called Mass Effect the greatest video game series of all time, and the EC could have re-affirmed that status by delivering on Bioware's promises.  It did improve the original ending, but without fulfilling the promise integral to the Mass Effect series, the improvement doesn't matter, because it's still a **** ending.  It might stink less, but it's still ****.

[Octopus_DK]

Jarcander wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Hmmm, I will start that there are still tons of plot holes and illogical inconsistencies....

I keep seeing this complaint but I have yet to see anyone list all their plot holes...

Really, you missed the thread that has listed like 50 so far?

[TheWerdna]

I am okay with it, the heavily implied reunion between Shepard and Tali is enough for me. I can just imagine what happens, as all evidence points that such a reunion being the most likely outcome.

[HinDae]

How a few Powerpoint slideshows amassed to 1.9GB of downloading is beyond me.

And that seems precisely what they all are, cheaply done pictures of "This happened" and "That happened" and "Oh, everything blew up? Thats cool, we went and fixed everything somehow even though by established game logic we cant get to it. Thus non of this ever happened"

And why does the Normandy's crash cut straight to it being completely fixed and flying away? A nice cutscene about some reflection by the team members would've been great, and Tuchanka being redeveloped, and maybe even the Geth Super-construct legion mentioned (I killed all the geth in my playthrough, so I dunno if thats there)

The new endings are better, I'll give bioware that, but they're still pretty bad. I cant help feel this is just a cheap cop-out by EA to attempt to shut the peons up.

[LKx]

On the first impression, i think that the EC successfully raised the ending from "terrible" to just "meh", which was the best case scenario which i was expecting.

It retcons something in a decent way and it explaing things better, however there are still things that makes no sense (as the crucible NOT being a reaper's design) or are VERY weak, and there is still a sort of deus ex machina concept.

Overall i think that i can swallow it, they couldn't have done any better after the mess they did.

PS: The starbrat basically admitted to be the Tecnological Singularity which he claims to fight!

Modifié par LKx, 26 juin 2012 - 10:28 .

[Darkeus]

Jarcander wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Hmmm, I will start that there are still tons of plot holes and illogical inconsistencies....

I keep seeing this complaint but I have yet to see anyone list all their plot holes...

Dude, there is a thread with about 50 of them right now.

It takes a long time to list them, there are that many.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

The new ending still causes the vast majority of people on this board to argue that they were justified in committing genocide against an entire innocent allied race.

I find that disconcerting. All of the endings have you committing some sort of horror, with genocide being the most specific... and yet people consider an ending where they are forced to kill an entire friendly race who trusted you and a member of your own squad for no discernible good reason "satisfying" and "happy."

[JamesT91]

my issues are that it doesnt addres any of the problems that it was supposedly created for
il say now ive seen 2 endings so i may be missing something
illusive man suicide copies saren- no thought or care whatsoever went into iut
we saw joker collect 2 squad mates. but why was everyone on the ship? did every single one of them get in trouble? did joker abandond the fight in space and fly around earth saving only shepards squad?
what happens to geth? my ending was synthesis, and im not gonna replay but i watched the destroy ending on youtube and the geth get no mention in any ending appently/ so you made a story that included spending 3 games fighting and eventually resolving a long lasting war with a species only to get absolutely no info about what ahppened to them
still nothing for romances/ this was a complaint that got a lot of attention theres many many thread, polls etc plus there have been numerous "books" made detailing peoples complaints and ideas for the romances that some of biowares employees actually posed for pictures with. yet they didnt address the issue at all. in the 2 endings ive seen there has been nothing about the romances

etc, theres more but i doubt people will read that post as it is

[WarBaby2]

magnetite wrote...

No matter what you do you can't please everyone.

Usually that would be true... but all they really had to do was to rethink their original idea and make something more in line with the series themes (TOTALLY possible in 4 months)... well, they didn't because they wanted to stay true to their artistic vision, and what's the result: Those who liked the ending (or didn't like it's exicution) from the start still like it, those who thought it convoluted and cheap (and totally breaking the narrtive coherence of the series) still don' like it...

[tomcplotts]

I couldn't stand the original endings because they were just crap from a crafting point of view. We were a winnable audience for the EC. Others, however, were never in play for this EC. The LI obsessives and people who simply didn't accept this game on its terms never had a chance to be satisfied. I'm sympathetic to their needs up to a point, but they were a lost demographic from the get go.

Fact is, devs did what they needed to do. They cleared the admitttedly low bar they set in the initial release and did what they shoould have done in the first place. They retconned--however clumsily--the two serious plot problems (and for the record, the retcons are obviously just plain "because we said so...aka the relays) and they fleshed out the endings to where they are noticeably different from each other. Hell, they even threw in the biggest easter egg of all time in the refusal ending.

Yes, the original end was so bad they had nowhere to go but up. But they *did* go up. Now if we can just have them learn how to insert text on the damned nameplate so Shephard can have a full name.

[Dantexr3]

What NEW endings? They are still the same endings, but now with some unanimated epilogues.

[GreyGhost1989]

They fixed what needed to be fixed with the current ending, IMO.

People are complaining because they didn't get the perfect ending they envisioned for free.

[Jarcander]

sth128 wrote...

Some race created AI Star Child to stop conflict with AI. AI Star Child determined the only solution is to kill every race and turn them into AI Reapers so AI Reapers can stop conflict with AIs.

Also, Synthesis is still ZEE ULTIMATE EVOLVED SUPREME RACE option.

Trees are now partly synthetic.

Yes, and I'm sure it makes perfect sense to the yo-dawg child. Much like everyone sometimes have these amazing ideas that only make sense to them. How can anyone even fandom what goes around in its head? Should it be perfectly logical? What is logical is also perspective and what is logical to you, isn't that for it necessary. IT IS NOT A PLOT HOLE.

Ultimate option? Is someone forcing you to pick the one option on the high pedastal?

You know what... I'm not even going to tackle the synthesis option. As a veteran of sci-fi, I have learned that much like fantasy, it consists of imaginary things that may not even have an explanation that satisfies everyone. So, space magic, deal with it. Sigh. What a s*itty answer, but I think I already mentioned that it doesn't necessarily need one.