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[Kick In The Door]

vics20 wrote...

Kick In The Door wrote...

Because it's the cool thing to do!

But really, there isn't a thing Bioware could have possibly done to appease these entitled gamers, when you factor in the mp expansions they've given more than our money's worth. Yet people are still crying, the tears are plentiful!

What's funny to me is, how most of them made up their minds that it was going to suck before they even played it, then when they finally DO play it they're surprised that they don't like it...First world problems ftw eh?

I enjoy picking out buzz words like "entitled" so I can know ahead of time that you don't know what you're talking about or you're trolling. 

Are there plenty of ungrateful gamers that are going to whine about the endings no matter what? Sure, but let me be the first person to inform you that people can be disatisfied with the endings for very diferent reasons. 

I'm disatisfied with them because the EC endings still left such appaulingly large plot holes that it just puts me off to the story (which was the games strongest aspect imo). That said, I'll leave it at that, and move on with my life and enjoy new games that will come out in the future.  

I knew you would.    As you will note I used the word "most". "Most" means that the majority are a certain way. Now looking at these forum boards today, I believe I've been proven correct. At least when it comes to BSN. Not ALL of them are entitled whiners, but most are. 

Bioware gives you multiple expansions at zero additional costs to you, they do their best to make the customer happy without betraying their "artistic integrity" where most companies besides Bethesda would have laughed in your face. They make it available to download immediately, they give fans that vehemently whined about it a fourth option.  They have endured hate mail and death threats for months and months and some of you still have the audacity to b****?

I'm sorry, but I'm less than sympathetic to your plight if that's the case. 

[Geneaux486]

GreyGhost1989 wrote...

They fixed what needed to be fixed with the current ending, IMO.

People are complaining because they didn't get the perfect ending they envisioned for free.

Pretty much.  Many wanted a brand new ending catered specifically to them.

[ParaGuard]

Well, the first thing I'll say is that the Control ending now feels like a Paragon ending. It makes sense in a Paragon type paradigm. The one-death-to-save-many mentality fits with the way the Paragon should be. It's a completely unacceptable ending to a Renegade mentality in my opinion. Renegade is about results, not about structural progression.

The Synthesis ending seems the most terrifying to me. It's literally forcing the universe to accept your idea of evolution. There's no freedom there, there's only forced compliance. It's literally a rejection of self-determined evolution. That scares me.

The Destroy ending now gets painted in an even darker light, like you're trading the entire Geth civilization for Shepard's survival. And I think that might fit the Renegade, target-fixation idea. I think it's simplistic and benefits the least from the extra information of the EC.

The Rejection ending...I'm mixed about. It is the purest Shep, without the Paragon or Renegade influence. The forge-your-own-path kind of mentality we've gotten to know and love. However, it does have that ring of "nya-nya-nya do what we say or I'll f-in spank you!" from BioWare. It's a bit...frustrating this ending. Because it solidifies Saren's idea that submission is the only way to beat them. Remember the Catalyst is the Reapers. Those are their options you're giving them.

All in all, I like that the EC expanded upon the ideas. I think it does give more closure to the game and does indeed help better explain wtf was all happening. I also like that the dickish message after you win has been changed to something more than "give us more money!" However, I still think the endings are subpar. The entire argument that the Catalyst makes, that synthetics will ALWAYS rebel, has been fundamentally disproved by the ending of the Geth/Quarian fight: we can learn to work and live with synthetic life forms.

I think it's the best they could do while holding this line about "artistic integrity." Of course, to claim that they have more artistic integrity than Charles Dickens, a man who regularly changed his serial-stories based upon reader feed-back, still baffles me.

[sth128]

[razor150]

The new endings make them more palatable, but the logic behind the 3 choices is still awful and the ending is still bad. If you didn't mind the choices and just wanted closure this ending was for you.

[jengelb1]

vics20 wrote...

The EC endings didn't get rid of the starchild/catalyst. With out that, the story just doesn't make any sense.

If you like the endings, then great! I'm glad people are satisfied at least.

This.

I felt like the whole synthetics vs. organics explanation for the reapers reopened a resolved plot point. It was jarring to me and totally brought me out of the story. It turned the reapers from incomprehensible godlike forces of death and destruction to the slaves of an insane AI. The extended cuts confirm that this is the case. It ruins the mystique that the reapers once held.

It also fails from a gameplay perspective. Sitting through unskippable cutscenes and staggering like a tortoise with 2 shattered kneecaps isn't fun. The last boss in the game is a Marauder that dies in 2-3 shots.

Even if the ending was brilliant from a story perspective, it was garbage from a gameplay perspective. I wanted to earn the right to fire the crucible in an epic battle, not be handed the controls on silver platter for staggering through a hallway and picking a few dialog options.

I will admit that it gave closure to the story, but as a game it was the one of the most boring things I've ever seen in 22 years of gaming.

[Geneaux486]

sth128 wrote...

Did the Catalyst or the Reapers build the Crucible?  Did they plug it into the Citadel?  Did they fire it?  No, so how exactly are they the Catalyst's options?

[WYLDMAXX]

EC only expanded what I call a travesty of the artistic kind.

Destroy: more of the same
Control: Shepard of Borg, Anyone.
Synthesis: Radiation can now infuse inorganic material with cosmic Shepard DNA. Yeah, right.
Refuse: Cut scene to a message capsule without seeing how that even happened.

[El_Draque]

iggy4566 wrote...

Because if I wanted to play Deus Ex I would of played Deus Ex.

this is how i felt..

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Their artistic integrity leaves many fans of Mass Effect with the impression that the moral of the game is "genocide is sometimes justified."

Am I the only one who thinks that's bad?

[Brandonhc]

Harby finds it impolite to blow up the Normandy while its RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT, ignoreing the main theme, spitting on a real writers work (Drew Karpyshyn).

[tamperous]

The choices just seem morally bankrupt. Maybe that's what they were going for. But that's not what I play games for. I'll say that EC's better and at least the universe isn't destroyed in what's more or less a beam of x coloured light but it is still the same, just more of it.

I don't have any hate for the endings anymore, just indifference and resignation. At some point in the last three months it wasn't about the endings anymore. Bioware's response to the situation is what I was most dissatisfied with. I do have a lot of animus towards them as an organization and their processes in general and towards the management of this product in particular.

Modifié par tamperous, 26 juin 2012 - 10:12 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

We don't like to be forced into choosing between:

War Crime A: Mass Slavery
War Crime B: Galactic-wide Eugenics
War Crime C: Genocide

We don't like feeling like we're doing this:

That's why.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 26 juin 2012 - 10:16 .

[Jarcander]

Octopus_DK wrote...

Jarcander wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Hmmm, I will start that there are still tons of plot holes and illogical inconsistencies....

I keep seeing this complaint but I have yet to see anyone list all their plot holes...

Really, you missed the thread that has listed like 50 so far?

I was just eyeballing it. It's mostly just nit-picking. Passes the time, I suppose.

[Jere85]

Its a polished turd. Simple as that.
Its a nice turd, its a pretty turd, i actually like the turd...
But in the end, its a turd, and you gotta clean it up and toss it in the dumpster

[warrior256]

The truth is that I still think the endings are terrible. I've thought about the new info we've been given and I still think we've been given a bad ending. I don't care if this is free, I will still voice my concerns about the EC.

[themaltaproject]

People are going to be upset regardless because its the end of an epic story. This is it. The finale. Nothing is ever going to change how the game ended now and people are just upset it ended.

Then you have people upset just to be upset.

Bioware designed an ending for the SERIES not for the story.

Modifié par themaltaproject, 26 juin 2012 - 10:14 .

[Credit2team]

two words: blue babies

[tamperous]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

We don't like to be forced into choosing between:

War Crime A: Mass Slavery
War Crime B: Galactic-wide Eugenics
War Crime C: Genocide

We don't like feeling like we're doing this:

That's why.

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Their artistic integrity leaves many fans of Mass Effect with the impression that the moral of the game is "genocide is sometimes justified."

Am I the only one who thinks that's bad?

 


Two Philosopher Queens that warm my heart.

[Joedogg9999]

Lol the only thing different with ec is a few less plot holes. Everything that made the original endings horrible are still there.

Deus ex machina is the worst sin in literature and its still there
Decisions still dont matter
No LI/crew
Still only 3 endings. 4 if you count that insulting bull****
Still all promises broken
No closure on IT. Which i still beleive

Not gonna lie, id buy a mass effect 4 day 1 and just hope it was IT and my shepard lives

[Malanek]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Their artistic integrity leaves many fans of Mass Effect with the impression that the moral of the game is "genocide is sometimes justified."

Am I the only one who thinks that's bad?

If anything I felt they pushed hard against this by trying to promote synthesis. But destroy is fine with me. I don't consider it genocide, which is really a human orientated term anyway. I can understand it being expanded to other races in the galactic community that is the ME3 world but I can't really accept expanding it to machines, especially those that were recently trying to kill us.

[bucyrus5000]

Sundance31us wrote...

OP I shall answer your questtion with an image:

That's just fanboy cheerleading, intended to diminish the message of critisism. Shame on you Sundance31us. 

We are not complaining or whining. The gripe we have with BW is real. We were promised, before the game was released, 16 completely different endings and didn't get them then or now. We explained what was wrong with the ending on an intellectual and literary level (FUBARed monomyth caused by Catalyst and his 3 absurd choices). Most of us didn't post, "It's crap!" /ragequit like a 14 year old. While everyone had a slightly different opinions, we did have enough agreement to service a consensus. We were patient and eager to help. We don't deserve having you whine about our critisism and trying to lessen the value of our thoughts.

Modifié par bucyrus5000, 26 juin 2012 - 10:18 .

[Stump01]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

The new ending still causes the vast majority of people on this board to argue that they were justified in committing genocide against an entire innocent allied race.

I find that disconcerting. All of the endings have you committing some sort of horror, with genocide being the most specific... and yet people consider an ending where they are forced to kill an entire friendly race who trusted you and a member of your own squad for no discernible good reason "satisfying" and "happy."

I don't consider destroy as "satisfying" and "happy", although you may be refering to some people in particular, I just consider it as "least bad".  Control still doesn't make sense in respect to the rest of the story, you just got done convincing TIM that it was wrong and he killed himself over it, and Synthesis is now only almost completely non-sensical.

[Geneaux486]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

We don't like to be forced into choosing between:

War Crime A: Mass Slavery
War Crime B: Galactic-wide Eugenics
War Crime C: Genocide

We don't like feeling like we're doing this:

That's why.

Victory against the Reapers was always implied to come at great cost.  It's the result of a galaxy that waited until after the last minute to prepare for the threat, and therefore had to rely on the solutions created by previous cycles.  Shepard had to make the best of a bad situation, hence why the classification of any of the choices as "war crime" is false.

[Jere85]

When i had the option of imagination, i had IT, i had destroy endings where its possible for the geth and EDI to survive, when i had synthesis i knew it was the worst thing to choose, now its apparantly some utopia.
So i guess Bioware supports genocide.
Either kill the geth and EDI, or kill free will with Synthesis.
Control was ok ill admit, although it would never be something my shepard would choose. For obvious reasons i might add.

Modifié par Jere85, 26 juin 2012 - 10:18 .